The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[kerouac9]

Still waiting for anyone to make the case that he deserves to continue on in his job. What has he done well?!?

Stays in budget. These low-level FAs like Froholdt (who has returned/been pushed back to mediocrity by the scheme shift) and Mack Wilson and Kyzir White have worked out and provided a lot of excess value.

Also I think the extensions for both Collins and McBride were done on time and without acrimony. I’d add in the ones for James Conner and Budda Baker as well.

I think Michael wanted a GM who wouldn’t be so public facing and that’s what he’s pretty much gotten.

 

[Chopper0080]

Still waiting for anyone to make the case that he deserves to continue on in his job. What has he done well?!?

It is so gross, but if Bidwill really believes in these guys he will give them 2 more seasons together because draft and developing star players is such a difficult plan to execute.

 

[Chopper0080]

To the draft and develop point. The Ravens have drafted and developed 3 stars (maybe 4 if you include Zay Flowers which I don't know that I do) over the past 7 drafts. Linderbaum was one who made an immediate impact, but because of his position, they did not pick up his option. Kyler Hamilton was what we hoped Simmons had become but in truth is also a S. The other player is Madubieke who they got in round 3 but took like 4 seasons to hit. Their version of Zach Allen.

So a pretty well run franchise had 8 first round picks in 7 drafts and came away with a star C and S/LB hybrid. Building through the draft is tough guys.

EDIT: And this isn't an excuse but just a reality of that strategy.

 

[kerouac9]

So a pretty well run franchise had 8 first round picks in 7 drafts and came away with a star C and S/LB hybrid. Building through the draft is tough guys.

EDIT: And this isn't an excuse but just a reality of that strategy.

To be fair to Monti, Keim didn’t leave a great legacy of young and developing players behind. Zaven Collins and Trey McBride are the ONLY players from the 2020-2022 draft classes who are even regular NFL players. Everyone else is on the fringe of rosters or out of the league altogether (Big Mo on the Jets practice squad we believe in you king).

The good news is like 45 players from this 5-12 roster are under contract for 2026 so the foundation is real strong.

 

[Mulli]

I don’t even know who Big Mo is.

 

[Mulli]

I don’t even know who Big Mo is.

Hollywood Brown still in the NFL

Ducks

 

[BullheadCardFan]

(Do any other iPhone users feel like their autocorrect has gotten significantly worse in the past few weeks and months?)

Yes

I have both type of phones that I use everyday and both autocorrect are getting worse

But the new ios is really bad as it decides what they want you to say

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Stays in budget. These low-level FAs like Froholdt (who has returned/been pushed back to mediocrity by the scheme shift) and Mack Wilson and Kyzir White have worked out and provided a lot of excess value.

These moves barely move the needle. They're fine, but a very small step towards a goal.

Also I think the extensions for both Collins and McBride were done on time and without acrimony. I’d add in the ones for James Conner and Budda Baker as well.

How happy are we with the extensions? The only no-brainer was McBride, and how would one screw that up? The bar is so low around here.

Conner is definitely a questionable extension - he was good for about half a season last year and has been not good or injured since. Do you think Budda plays like a 19M man?

I think Michael wanted a GM who wouldn’t be so public facing and that’s what he’s pretty much gotten.

Super. Can you feel the excitement?

 

[Mulli]

The low level moves make them ready to absorb Kyler’s contract when they obtain Kirk Cousins?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

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Even at the time, it was clear that offensive minded head coaches were the wave of the future. We zagged and chose an old fashioned Defensive head coach and offensive system, and have been lapped by everyone who made the opposite choice.

How you WIN in the modern NFL:
1. Shane Steichen, offensive guru 6-1
2. Sean McVay, offensive guru 5-2
3. Kyle Shanahan, offensive guru 5-2
4. Sean Payton, offensive guru 5-25
. Nick Sirianni, former OC 5-2
6. Dan Campbell, aggressive O 5-2
7. Andy Reid

 

[kerouac9]

These moves barely move the needle. They're fine, but a very small step towards a goal.

How happy are we with the extensions? The only no-brainer was McBride, and how would one screw that up? The bar is so low around here.

Conner is definitely a questionable extension - he was good for about half a season last year and has been not good or injured since. Do you think Budda plays like a 19M man?

Super. Can you feel the excitement?

Dude, I answered your question in good faith. Yes, the bar is low, but these are things that Keim couldn’t do and drove me crazy.

Keim would let good-not-great players leave because they didn’t meet Sky-high expectations. Monti doesn’t do that.

If you are expecting to reap your top players through the draft, you have to keep your mid level players in house. One of Monti’s biggest errors after his first season (and this would have driven me crazy at the time) was not keeping Hollywood Brown.

He didn’t play much once Kyler came back, but this WR corps would have looked a lot better with Marv-Brown-Wilson-Jones than what we ended up with.

 

[schutd]

I think that Gannon is better at his job than Monti or Kyler are at theirs, but none of them are good enough to lead a consistently winning football program.

(Do any other iPhone users feel like their autocorrect has gotten significantly worse in the past few weeks and months?)

We are behind the Cardinals firewall, secretly placed here by Chairman Bidwill, to assume all control of keystrokes that make us question even our own opinions. (I'm in China right now, FWIW). Its not your auto correct. Its autocratic correct.

 

[DaHilg]

How are you not embarrassed and even fired ?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude, I answered your question in good faith. Yes, the bar is low, but these are things that Keim couldn’t do and drove me crazy.

Keim would let good-not-great players leave because they didn’t meet Sky-high expectations. Monti doesn’t do that.

what? He started his tenure off doing exactly that with both Zach Allen and Murphy.

If you are expecting to reap your top players through the draft, you have to keep your mid level players in house. One of Monti’s biggest errors after his first season (and this would have driven me crazy at the time) was not keeping Hollywood Brown.

So... after the two massive blunders in his first season watching Allen/Murphy walk, you also think he made a big error letting Brown walk as well.

All of that flies in the face of the idea that Monti somehow doesn't let the good-not-great players leave.

He didn’t play much once Kyler came back, but this WR corps would have looked a lot better with Marv-Brown-Wilson-Jones than what we ended up with.

 

[kerouac9]

what? He started his tenure off doing exactly that with both Zach Allen and Murphy.

So... after the two massive blunders in his first season watching Allen/Murphy walk, you also think he made a big error letting Brown walk as well.

All of that flies in the face of the idea that Monti somehow doesn't let the good-not-great players leave.

Letting Allen and Murphy walk was dumb, but those were part of the roster he was building. It’s hard to retain 100% of your top guys, especially when you’re cost constrained in the was we really were that first year.

Yes, Brown was a mistake, but the list of mid-tier players he’s retained is much longer.

 

[football karma]

what? He started his tenure off doing exactly that with both Zach Allen and Murphy.

Allen was the error (although in fairness, once a player is a UFA there isnt much a GM can do short of a franchise tag)

IIRC: Murphy wasn't coming back as he was unhappy with team docs who mis-diagnosed his back injury

 

[602 Native]

HA

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[football karma]

HA

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more often than not, PFF stuff passes the eye test

but it feels spectacularly wrong sometimes

 

[football karma]

this feels like a decent place to put this:

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[Mulli]

 

[WisconsinCard]

this feels like a decent place to put this:

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Sanctions soon to follow for Texas. Isn't that the usual routine?

 

[football karma]

to be clear, just an fyi not an endorsement

 

[Devilmaycare]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Letting Allen and Murphy walk was dumb, but those were part of the roster he was building. It’s hard to retain 100% of your top guys, especially when you’re cost constrained in the was we really were that first year.

Yes, Brown was a mistake, but the list of mid-tier players he’s retained is much longer.

Keep 100%? He kept 0%.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Allen was the error (although in fairness, once a player is a UFA there isnt much a GM can do short of a franchise tag)

IIRC: Murphy wasn't coming back as he was unhappy with team docs who mis-diagnosed his back injury

See this is just a Stockholm syndrome excuse for GMs. It is literally a GM’s job to identify talent, analyze how best to acquire/keep that talent, and then deploy the tools at your disposal to convince that talent to remain (money, role, vision for the future, etc). There are almost no free agents that can’t be convinced by some lever. It’s literally the GM’s job to figure that out.