The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Kyler's going to get paid whether he starts or rides the bench. I honestly do not think he cares as long as his checks keep coming.

i think homie would take it pretty hard

 

[Brian in Mesa]

i think homie would take it pretty hard

He'd just call mom and dad in Texas, and they'd reassure him that it's all going to be okay.

 

[Adrian]

I don't want no more, but the team still plays hard for him.

 

[Mr X]

Even his dad would get in on the action

 

[JosiahLee]

How many coaches/GM's do we have to go through? I want to see a change at QB first. I am not saying JB is the answer either but I would like to see what these guys can do around a new team leader of their choosing. Kyler has had his chances. Maybe he shocks us all but I have heard that so many times.

I’m ok changing qb’s but the coach has to go to.

 

[Chopper0080]

Why? If the players play hard but Gannon continues to suck at his job, we should keep him? Again, why?

Because I personally don't feel like Gannon is doing less with more. I think Monti has given him a limited roster and he has a limited QB. Is he able to elevate a mid roster...early results are no. But if I am moving on from Gannon it also means I am getting rid of the guy who is in charge of the roster.

 

[602 Native]

Can’t believe we are here again in less than 3 seasons.

So disappointing

 

[Brian in Mesa]

This is just the rallying cry for losers, IMO. Especially because we’re not seeing growth on the job from the Coaching Staff. As they’ve gotten more experience AND talent, the team has gotten WORSE the longer they’ve been on the job. Rewarding them with even more time to continue to waste ours makes zero sense to me.

Well, I guess I am a loser then for sharing my opinion in a poll which asked what I would do. You got me. But then again, you do like calling me names. Kudos.

 

[Chopper0080]

The end of game coaching in our losses was pathetic. That is on Gannon. Playing not to lose on both sides of the ball. That said we can’t saddle a third HC with Murray. This was the season of expectation and he is blowing it big time.

Maybe. Are you blaming Gannon because 40 year old CC runs out of gas when games are on the line? That is the best DL player Monti has been able to provide the staff in 3 seasons. Are you blaming Gannon because Baker and JT miscommunicate in the 4th Q with their room of CBs who are all in their 1st or 2nd season?

And to be clear, I think there is an argument that both should go, but I also am not interested in either one staying while the other goes.

 

[DVontel]

If we end the season 5-12, does that still qualify as “they still play hard for Gannon”?

 

[Chopper0080]

This is just the rallying cry for losers, IMO. Especially because we’re not seeing growth on the job from the Coaching Staff. As they’ve gotten more experience AND talent, the team has gotten WORSE the longer they’ve been on the job. Rewarding them with even more time to continue to waste ours makes zero sense to me.

I will challenge this. What increase in talent have they gotten?

The same QB?

The same older RB in Conner and the 2nd year in a row injured Benson?

The same WR room as last year that is dependent on the QB?

The same TE that they developed into a pro bowler from the previous regime? and a 3rd round blocking TE?

The OL that has zero young talent other that the LT the GM selected in the top 10?

40 year old CC and 30+ Dalvin? Are you talking about the 2024 FA class who has hardly played? What young talent have they been given that has been on the field?

EDGE has been improved and I feel it has been used well. The coaching staff has made a playable player out of Collins.

ILB? You don't think the coaching staff has gotten the most out of Kyzir White, Mack Wilson and ADG?

CB? Lots of draft capital here, do you think this group is underperforming?

The same S tandem that was here when they arrived? Do you feel the staff has failed to develop DTD and Crawford who were mid to late picks?

Maybe you can tell me where this treasure trove of talent is that the coaching staff is squandering.

 

[Chopper0080]

If we end the season 5-12, does that still qualify as “they still play hard for Gannon”?

NOLEN JUST HAD HIS PRACTICE WINDOW OPENED!!! LFG!!!

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

If we end the season 5-12, does that still qualify as “they still play hard for Gannon”?

don't really matter imo

 

[Chopper0080]

If we end the season 5-12, does that still qualify as “they still play hard for Gannon”?

I got sidetracked by the Nolen news.

The argument I would make is I feel the quality/talent of the roster has been overstated. Outside of the QB/WR room which is an entirely separate convo IMO, what players that Gannon and staff have been given have underproduced in comparison to those who have developed?

Can they call better games situationally? Sure. Does the offensive staff/scheme need to be overhauled? Probably. I think the QB is an anchor so that obviously impacts my view.

 

[Stout]

Because I personally don't feel like Gannon is doing less with more. I think Monti has given him a limited roster and he has a limited QB. Is he able to elevate a mid roster...early results are no. But if I am moving on from Gannon it also means I am getting rid of the guy who is in charge of the roster.

His coaching has been atrocious in late game situations. That has nothing to do with the roster and everything to do with the job he is specifically doing. If it's not Gannon but his coordinators, then Gannon is being meek and deferential. If it is Gannon, the blame falls squarely with him.

 

[Stout]

Maybe. Are you blaming Gannon because 40 year old CC runs out of gas when games are on the line? That is the best DL player Monti has been able to provide the staff in 3 seasons. Are you blaming Gannon because Baker and JT miscommunicate in the 4th Q with their room of CBs who are all in their 1st or 2nd season?

And to be clear, I think there is an argument that both should go, but I also am not interested in either one staying while the other goes.

I am blaming Gannon for turtling like a coward with his offensive approach in late games, or the offensive approach he is espousing. I am blaming Gannon for the same on defense. These are inarguable, IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, I guess I am a loser then for sharing my opinion in a poll which asked what I would do. You got me. But then again, you do like calling me names. Kudos.

You’re welcome.

 

[Chopper0080]

His coaching has been atrocious in late game situations. That has nothing to do with the roster and everything to do with the job he is specifically doing. If it's not Gannon but his coordinators, then Gannon is being meek and deferential. If it is Gannon, the blame falls squarely with him.

You are blaming an inexperienced coach for being inexperienced. Yes I also want to see that get better. Maybe Gannon needs to be more dictating to his coordinators. But I do disagree about your statement of the roster not impacting this. You need players to make plays in critical situations. You need a QB who can get a critical first down. You need a defensive player to make the play.

Just my opinion. I am more of a "jimmy's and Joe's guy" than an "X's and O's" guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I will challenge this. What increase in talent have they gotten?

Calais Campbell, Josh Sweat, Tomlinson.

All massive upgrades over the absolute DREK at their positions last year on defense had last year and the defense is the same if not worse.

Then you look at how atrocious the offense was in its THIRD year, even before injuries hit where high draft picks looked exactly the same as they have with no growth, and you continue to see bad coaching.

 

[Chopper0080]

I am blaming Gannon for turtling like a coward with his offensive approach in late games, or the offensive approach he is espousing. I am blaming Gannon for the same on defense. These are inarguable, IMO.

I am generally not in favor of hiring guys to do a job and then cut their balls off at the first signs of adversity. And I don't even really care for Petzing and his offense. I agree that the defense doesn't seem to have the guys to play coverage and stop teams. Does that continue? We will see.

 

[Chopper0080]

Calais Campbell, Josh Sweat, Tomlinson.

All massive upgrades over the absolute DREK at their positions last year on defense had last year and the defense is the same if not worse.

Then you look at how atrocious the offense was in its THIRD year, even before injuries hit where high draft picks looked exactly the same as they have with no growth, and you continue to see bad coaching.

CC is 40.
Tomlinson is 30+.
Sweat plays 55% of snaps.

We obviously view these upgrades differently if you think these upgrades takes the team from anything more than bad to ok.

And then you talk about the offense. Was the decision to let Klayton Adams go to Dallas instead of firing the OC and promoting an error? It sure seems like it. But are you going to let that be the determining factor in firing your HC? Are you seriously putting the offensive blame on the HC and OC when we both know the QB is an anchor? Have you seen Isaiah Adams play? You are putting that on coaching? You are putting the lack of a vertical WR on coaching? You are putting the current state of the RB position on coaching?

The offense has regressed because the run game has regressed. The run game has regressed because the secret sauce was apparently the OL coach. However, Gannon was the guy who hired Adams in the first place. He seems to have missed on his replacement. So he has broken even on those decisions.

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, this is the argument for firing Gannon.

He accepted a HC job with the incumbent as Kyler Murray.

He accepted a HC job where the GM's plan was to tank in year 1.

After having one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL in year 2, he didn't fire his OC to retain and promote his OL coach and run game coordinator.

The defense is statistically the same as 2024 with some increase in talent.

He has a losing record over the past two seasons despite having a positive point differential.

He has not been aggressive enough in games where the team has had large leads which has led to those games coming down to the final drives.

 

[phillycard]

I didn't vote because ultimately, I'd be okay with giving him one more year regardless of how things turn out. But I really wouldn't shed one tear if the org felt otherwise and canned him.

 

[football karma]

Coaches arent fired in a vacuum

before making that decision -- you better know exactly what you are doing with Kyler. You better have a sense of what your realistic options are to replace Kyler if you move on from him.

All the other decisions cascade from there.....

 

[Mulli]

He has to go. I would also fire the GM and the Owner.