For the Murray lovers...

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  1. Mainstreet

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    I can understand why fans are not high on Murray. What I can't understand is how sure they are about it.

    The reason I took a step back on Murray is because I questioned some of his throws he made into traffic.

    Let's not forget Rosen can be a bust as well.
     
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    I think everyone realizes Rosen can be a bust. The Cards front office has invested a lot in Rosen and he is still an unknown product for them at this point.

    But if they stick with Rosen and he turns into a bust, maybe they can go after Trevor Lawrence. That seems to be a smarter approach than dumping Rosen after a year and going with a more risky prospect than Lawrence.
     
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    I've never been a proponent of trading Rosen right away. I'm not sure who is the best quarterback if the Cardinals decided to draft Murray.

    If the Cardinals improve next season they may not get a chance to draft Lawrence or it would take a premium to get him.

    Too bad there are not more top rated quarterbacks in this draft.
     
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    I’m in and i’m a former OU homer...
     
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    Personally I do not even think about Rosen when looking at Murray.

    When watching Murray last year I keep seeing receivers doing the work. Mainly under thrown balls or really fast receivers being hard to gauge. Either way those throws won’t work at the next level.

    Other than his feet I didn’t see anything special. Murray’s slight build is my other concern regardless of his position.

    We need another impact player (not a replacement part) is the only thing i’m sure about...
     
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    This is why I took a step back on Murray because he tends to throw some balls into traffic.

    I'm not sold on Rosen but if Murray is not BPA, then the Cardinals should look at improving the rest of the team.
     
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    At #1 it’s oretty much a guarantee he’s not BPA
     
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    Well it depends on how much you value QB compared to the rest of the league. PFF made this point. Mahomes was graded around 8 WAR in 2018. Aaron Donald was around 2 WAR. They said even 4th tier starting QBs around the league can grade out at 2 WAR.

    Odds are pretty heavily stacked against any of the pass rushers in this class turning into Aaron Donald. But even if they did, a pretty average performance by Rosen or Murray would have a similar impact on the team's volume of wins. And if you somehow got high level QB performance out of either of them, they are worth a hell of a lot more than an elite pass rusher (or any other player).
     
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    Haskins is a better QB so regardless of position he’s not #1 bpa
     
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    It's looking that way to me.

    I was sort of hoping there might be a quarterback worthy of the #1 pick so the Cardinals could protect themselves if Rosen busts.

    This board is going to go crazy if the Cardinals draft Murray.
     
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    I don't buy that. Ohio State has a pretty massive bust rate with QB's, similar to USC. Both of them have so much 5-star talent surrounding their QBs, it's no wonder the guys rarely translate to the league. There are huge risks with Murray for sure. But I know which one Kingsbury would pick and it's not Haskins.
     
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    Right
    Ohio state qb tend to fail at next level
    Cardale Jones last one i remember
     
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    Murray had only 5 blocked balls the entire season...the lowest amount of any college qb.
     
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    Yeah I heard this stat and it is impressive but when I watch him play he always seems to be very far back from the line, he's never really IN the pocket he's behind it and often he was 7 to 10 yards from his line who wouldn't let defenders get close to him most of the time.

    Hard to bat a ball down from 10 yards, it's already well out of reach.
     
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