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How do you figure with CP and Carter that was have no answer for Schroeder?

CP3 is too old and has lost a step as a defender so its not a great matchup for him. He's still a good defender overall but Schroeder's speed is too much for CP3 to deal with in a 7 game series.

Carter can guard him but bringing him in would remove the offense that CP3 produces, which is huge.

Cam Payne is the best matchup for him and would probably see an increase in playing time because we'd need the help defensively. He's also a solid offensive option who is sometimes able to produce at a starters level. He's no CP3 offensively but no one else is.

Its just not ideal because wed need to go small in the backcourt or sit Paul or Booker to bring in Payne. Going small could cost us with their huge frontcourt because Booker at SF against a frontcourt of LeBron, AD, and Drummond/Gasol is a mismatch they would exploit to W's.
 

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How do you figure with CP and Carter that was have no answer for Schroeder?

he's played very well against us so far this year in his two games with 20 ppg and 45 and 44% shooting from 3, all numbers above his average.

but even if he plays that well, CP3 easily cancels him out impact wise, IMO. The bigger problem is we have is that we just have no one who can even come close to guarding LeBron if he's healthy and if Davis is healthy, I expect him to dominate Ayton.
 

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Damn I knew this board was terrified of the Lakers, I just didn’t know how little we fans think of our own team. Pretty sad.

Please don’t speak for others here because I don’t think feelings about our team are as black and white as you make them seem. I, like most people on the board who are afraid of the Lakers in the first round, think we can beat 28 of 30 teams in the league in a seven game series. Thinking that we’re not quite at the level of a healthy Lakers defending champion or a healthy Nets team, both of whom are more talented/battle tested then we are just means we think this team is pretty damn great, but maybe not quite great enough to win a title in their first year being really good again.

A healthy Lakers team is the only team in the West I don’t think we can beat If they’re healthy. That means I think we’d have a great shot to go to the Finals if just ONE team wasn’t standing in our way. After years of being atrocious I think that speaks to how much I believe in this team... not how little.
 

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Damn I knew this board was terrified of the Lakers, I just didn’t know how little we fans think of our own team. Pretty sad.
I know, myself believe Craig and Crowder are going to make the old man work. Ayton will be fine and they have to guard Book and Bridges..
 

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Look, I get being scared of Anthony Davis and to a lesser extent Lebron James, but when people start lumping Dennis Schroeder in as guys we can't defeat, then that's where I draw the line.

Sure, Schroeder had some good games against us, but so what? The Lakers LOST those games. If you can neutralize one of the big 2 -- hold them to their averages -- we have a really good chance of winning games against them. The key against the Lakers is not to wait for them to do something, you get super creative on defense and throw a bunch of different looks at them. Subtract Davis and James, and they have one of the worst rosters in the NBA. With them, they are definitely one of the small list of teams contending for a title this year, but they CAN be beat.

I'm much more impressed by the Nets and their collection of talent. Can't play a lick of defense, but they'll outscore you more than any other team, including the Lakers.
 

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I know, myself believe Craig and Crowder are going to make the old man work. Ayton will be fine and they have to guard Book and Bridges..

LeBron averaged 31/12/8 against Crowder last year in the Finals. Ayton going up against the best bigs in the league has gotten lit up like a pinball machine every time he played one of the best big men in the game, both times he played Embiid and three times against Joker. If Davis is healthy, there’s little reason not to expect the same to happen.

yes, they’ll have to guard Book. But Bridges scores 13 ppg. That’s not going to be some massive advantage that makes up for LeBron/Davis if they’re healthy.
 

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I know, myself believe Craig and Crowder are going to make the old man work. Ayton will be fine and they have to guard Book and Bridges..
You’re not wrong here. But it fails to recognize the disparities. In the same way Craig/crowder will make Lebron work, KCP and Caruso will make book work.

and they have waves of size in Drummond, AD, marc gasol, montrezl, and markieff. That’s a lot of size. We have Ayton, frank, and saric.

it’s okay to think your team is a top team but to acknowledge that you recognize when another team has superior matchups or talent or experience or all of the above.
 

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LeBron averaged 31/12/8 against Crowder last year in the Finals. Ayton going up against the best bigs in the league has gotten lit up like a pinball machine every time he played one of the best big men in the game, both times he played Embiid and three times against Joker. If Davis is healthy, there’s little reason not to expect the same to happen.

yes, they’ll have to guard Book. But Bridges scores 13 ppg. That’s not going to be some massive advantage that makes up for LeBron/Davis if they’re healthy.
Not to mention they can just put Lebron on bridges and he’s likely fully neutralized if Lebron decides to exert himself defensively. I think some posters think of Lebron as old and fail to acknowledge that he’s STILL a physical freak of nature.
 

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Drummond has been TERRIBLE for the Lakers, there is absolutely zero chemistry there. Lebron will do well in the playoffs, but he's not the same guy he was last year in the bubble, especially coming off an injury that seems to be lingering.
 

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Look, I get being scared of Anthony Davis and to a lesser extent Lebron James, but when people start lumping Dennis Schroeder in as guys we can't defeat, then that's where I draw the line.

Sure, Schroeder had some good games against us, but so what? The Lakers LOST those games. If you can neutralize one of the big 2 -- hold them to their averages -- we have a really good chance of winning games against them. The key against the Lakers is not to wait for them to do something, you get super creative on defense and throw a bunch of different looks at them. Subtract Davis and James, and they have one of the worst rosters in the NBA. With them, they are definitely one of the small list of teams contending for a title this year, but they CAN be beat.

I'm much more impressed by the Nets and their collection of talent. Can't play a lick of defense, but they'll outscore you more than any other team, including the Lakers.

Disagree that the Lakers have one of the worst rosters in the NBA without LeBron and Davis. With both of those guys out for a month, that roster played close to .500 ball. Schroeder is a good player and was runner up sixth man of the year last year, Harrel a great bench guy and last year’s 6th man of the year, Kuzma a solid player, Markieff, who I may hate, but is a solid rotation player and Drummond who’s a good big man. And the rest of the guys are take or leave role players. I actually think they are stacked with talent, especially when healthy and especially in the front court. They can just send waves of big men at anyone.
 

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Drummond has been TERRIBLE for the Lakers, there is absolutely zero chemistry there. Lebron will do well in the playoffs, but he's not the same guy he was last year in the bubble, especially coming off an injury that seems to be lingering.

Drummond is averaging 11 points, 9 rebounds and 1 block per game on 53% shooting in 24 minutes. That’s terrible?

as for LeBron, I hope you’re right, but that dude is a machine and I think they realize they aren’t getting HCA and are just making sure he’s going to be fresh for the playoffs. Time will tell.
 

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Damn I knew this board was terrified of the Lakers, I just didn’t know how little we fans think of our own team. Pretty sad.

Speed kills, so does knowledge. Dennis is very quick and he knows CP's game - he's helped hold Paul to 4 for 15 shooting this season. And he's a much better player than most fans probably realize, just look at the Lakers when he doesn't play - he's missed 8 games this season and the Lakers lost 7 of them. If you think otherwise, that's great but it doesn't mean the rest of us dislike our team or are hiding under our beds in fear of them as you seem to imply.
 

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I've responded to you on this several times and each time I've deleted the words before posting because I don't want to get into an argument with you. But surprisingly enough, I don't like being mocked for daring to hold a different opinion than the rah rah guys either, so it's a tough call for me.

Speed kills, so does knowledge. Dennis is very quick and he knows CP's game - he's helped hold Paul to 4 for 15 shooting this season. And he's a much better player than most fans probably realize, just look at the Lakers when he doesn't play - he's missed 8 games this season and the Lakers lost 7 of them. If you think otherwise, that's great but it doesn't mean the rest of us dislike our team or are hiding under our beds in fear of them as you seem to imply.

I’ll be honest... I’m kinda hiding under my bed. I HATE the idea of playing the Lakers in the first round. I hate thinking that our great season might go splat because the Lakers tanked the regular season in order to be healthy for the post season. I hate dreading a first round after dying for a decade without the playoffs. I dread playing the best player in his generation and possibly top 3 ever who’s NEVER lost in the first round. And probably more than anything I am dreading all the crap I’d have to to take from all my Laker friends living in LA and all crap spewed on the radio as well.

I have been more of a beacon of joy this season than probably 96% of the posters here, dating all the way back to being all in on the CP3 trade. But man, I hate this matchup for us. Just hate it. For so many different reasons.
 
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