The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[Stout]

You are blaming an inexperienced coach for being inexperienced. Yes I also want to see that get better. Maybe Gannon needs to be more dictating to his coordinators. But I do disagree about your statement of the roster not impacting this. You need players to make plays in critical situations. You need a QB who can get a critical first down. You need a defensive player to make the play.

Just my opinion. I am more of a "jimmy's and Joe's guy" than an "X's and O's" guy.

Baloney. This is his 3rd season in the NFL. He doesn't get that easy out excuse. If he wants to continue being experienced as a HC, he needs to sort it out yesterday. Also, sure, let's run with your statement that you need players to make critical plays. We have abundant evidence that our DL/Edge group is not good enough to pressure the QB at the end of games. A whole season's worth. So, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a very bad reflection on the HC.

C'mon, man. You're way better than this. He has massive flaws in year three. Which is surprising, considering we didn't see them before. The difference? Real expectations. Pressure turns some people into diamonds. It appears that Gannon is just a pile of crushed coal.

 

[Stout]

I am generally not in favor of hiring guys to do a job and then cut their balls off at the first signs of adversity. And I don't even really care for Petzing and his offense. I agree that the defense doesn't seem to have the guys to play coverage and stop teams. Does that continue? We will see.

First sign of adversity? We've had 2 years of adversity. So, what, you're willing to give him 3 more years with a new QB, even if he continues crapping the bed? Me? Snip snip, baby, unless he does a complete 180. We all know what the league stands for.

 

[Stout]

I mean, this is the argument for firing Gannon.

He accepted a HC job with the incumbent as Kyler Murray.

He accepted a HC job where the GM's plan was to tank in year 1.

After having one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL in year 2, he didn't fire his OC to retain and promote his OL coach and run game coordinator.

The defense is statistically the same as 2024 with some increase in talent.

He has a losing record over the past two seasons despite having a positive point differential.

He has not been aggressive enough in games where the team has had large leads which has led to those games coming down to the final drives.

lol Wow, that is being exceptionally kind, especially in the highlighted areas. You know, on offense and defense.

 

[kerouac9]

You are blaming an inexperienced coach for being inexperienced

It’s his third year. He’s played in a ton of one-score games on both sides. This is cope.

Getting beaten by the Titans who were ready to give up on the season is kind of inexcusable. It’s hard to think of a good coach this would happen to.

Would Jim Harbaugh lose to that team at home?

 

[Stout]

It’s his third year. He’s played in a ton of one-score games on both sides. This is cope.

Getting beaten by the Titans who were ready to give up on the season is kind of inexcusable. It’s hard to think of a good coach this would happen to.

Would Jim Harbaugh lose to that team at home?

This. Very much this.

 

[netsnjkidd]

It’s his third year. He’s played in a ton of one-score games on both sides. This is cope.

Getting beaten by the Titans who were ready to give up on the season is kind of inexcusable. It’s hard to think of a good coach this would happen to.

Would Jim Harbaugh lose to that team at home?

I mean Gannon didnt drop the ball before crossing the goal line to seal the game. Gannon didnt kick the ball in the end zone instead of jumping on the fumble

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Pressure turns some people into diamonds. It appears that Gannon is just a pile of crushed coal.

This

I use this at work and how people deal with pressure

 

[Dan H]

What are our veteran options if Gannon’s out?

If we’re going to bring in someone who’s no better, I don’t see a point in firing him. Find the best OC we can get and get rid of Petzing.

 

[NMCard]

The Cards could fire everyone but the fans are still stuck with Bidwill.

 

[JosiahLee]

I'm honestly shocked that the majority want to keep him no matter what.

 

[kerouac9]

I mean Gannon didnt drop the ball before crossing the goal line to seal the game. Gannon didnt kick the ball in the end zone instead of jumping on the fumble

It’s not one play. Gannon was in charge of the offense that stopped scoring points after their first possession of the second quarter.

After the 10:43 mark in the second, the Cards got four first downs the rest of the game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm honestly shocked that the majority want to keep him no matter what.

Battered fan syndrome.

 

[kerouac9]

The problem is Monty has illustrated that losing is an acceptable outcome. It’s hard to throw the switch and be like, “unlike the past two years, we have to win games now.”

I truly believe that Gannon believes in his process and the process is fundamentally sound. But it doesn’t really seem nuanced enough to handle the dynamic environment of the NFL.

No reason the Cards and their fans should keep paying for Jonathan Gannon’s on the job training. The rough part is that I don’t think Michael wants to or can get the board to accept paying three coaches at a time. Whether Gannon stays or goes could end up being based on Kliff Kingsbury taking a head coaching position after this season.

 

[Chopper0080]

It’s his third year. He’s played in a ton of one-score games on both sides. This is cope.

Getting beaten by the Titans who were ready to give up on the season is kind of inexcusable. It’s hard to think of a good coach this would happen to.

Would Jim Harbaugh lose to that team at home?

Probably not. Are we holding Gannon to the same standard as a HC who has taken a team to the Super Bowl and wouldn't give coaching this organization the time of day? A HC whose career records is 59-27-1. Might as well compare Kyler to Peyton Manning. (yes, I know that is dramatic)

Again, I am fine firing Gannon as long as you get rid of Monti as well.

 

[Stout]

Battered fan syndrome.

Poverty mindset.

 

[Chopper0080]

Baloney. This is his 3rd season in the NFL. He doesn't get that easy out excuse. If he wants to continue being experienced as a HC, he needs to sort it out yesterday. Also, sure, let's run with your statement that you need players to make critical plays. We have abundant evidence that our DL/Edge group is not good enough to pressure the QB at the end of games. A whole season's worth. So, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a very bad reflection on the HC.

C'mon, man. You're way better than this. He has massive flaws in year three. Which is surprising, considering we didn't see them before. The difference? Real expectations. Pressure turns some people into diamonds. It appears that Gannon is just a pile of crushed coal.

I guess I am not. He has flaws. For sure. He also has Kyler Murray as his QB. That's something that fits your doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result statement. As I said, I will start putting more on the coaches when they are the ones on the field in critical situations.

 

[Zalixar]

I feel like the the last 3/4 are basically the same response. They are split into 3 to mostly to completely unrealistic outcomes, so the only other answer is keeping no matter what.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Find the best OC we can get and get rid of Petzing.

How about Mike McCoy?

 

[Cardinal88]

I'm not for below average results. The only thing I will be watching with close eyes is what he does with Petzing. If this offense doesn't start turning things around with either Brissett or Murray, I'll gladly change my mind.

 

[Chopper0080]

Poverty mindset.

Stout - Kyler is terrible. Isn't worth anything on the trade market. Doesn't handle pressure well. Isn't a pocket QB.

Also Stout - How come the offensive play calling is conservative in key moments? That OC is a coward. Put the ball in your QB's hands.

Stout - Our secondary sucks. Budda can't cover.

Also Stout - Why aren't these defensive coaches bringing pressure and putting our secondary in single coverage?

 

[Harry]

My problem with Gannon is simple. In the NFL I think it’s true that “Fortune favors the bold.” I think Gannon suffers from a common trait of many first time Head Coaches; he’s tentative. It could be fear of failure or it could be he feels unsure about how to get things to happen the way he wants. A simple example; when you lose 3 games in a row on the last drive that’s at least one too many. This is especially true of a coach with a defensive background. At the end of the second loss you sit down with the DC and say, “Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is a well known fallacy.” In game 3 if the first 2 downs aren’t aggressive; Gannon should say into the headset, “I’m calling the rest of the defensive plays.”

 

[PJ1]

Maybe. Are you blaming Gannon because 40 year old CC runs out of gas when games are on the line? That is the best DL player Monti has been able to provide the staff in 3 seasons. Are you blaming Gannon because Baker and JT miscommunicate in the 4th Q with their room of CBs who are all in their 1st or 2nd season?

And to be clear, I think there is an argument that both should go, but I also am not interested in either one staying while the other goes.

I am blaming him for not going for first downs when getting them wins the game for us. I am blaming him for not keeping up pressure on a rookie QB and insisting a four man rush does anything but allow the opposing team to march the ball down the field. Like I said playing to not lose versus going for a win.

 

[PDXChris]

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[WisconsinCard]

Something to consider here is if you're continually changing coaches you'll have to change out several players to fit new coaches schemes. I don't think you can build continuity by firing a coach or GM every few years.

 

[netsnjkidd]

It’s not one play. Gannon was in charge of the offense that stopped scoring points after their first possession of the second quarter.

After the 10:43 mark in the second, the Cards got four first downs the rest of the game.

I hear you at the same time your 7yr qb leaving points on the board and yards on the field , you cant throw the ball for him