What will the Cardinals get for Kyler?

[HairZach]

Why?

Goff was an extremely exciting and hyped prospect coming out. 3 year starter who broke out his sophmore year and was a superstar as a junior, cannon arm, super accurate, high football IQ. Goff had a very complete profile.

Mendoza is a tall game manager with a limited arm, not athletic, hasn't shown out against the few good defenses he's played. Maybe he's decent as a pro, I can't imagine him being a superstar. The Pickett comparison wasnt saying they played similarly, it was that they both have very incomplete profiles and are expected to struggle in the pros.

Simpson's a very inconsistent 1 year starter who shows flashes, but seems like he has huge bust potential, I don't think he can read defenses. It's not even guaranteed he comes out this year, frankly I think he could use an extra year.

 

[AZ Native]

The worse the franchise looks, the higher potential return for Kyler.

Maybe for the dumb NFL executives, but the smart ones won't bite.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Not sure the NFLPA would go for that.

the agreed upon severance package/divorce settlement or the whole premise

 

[DVontel]

Goff was an extremely exciting and hyped prospect coming out. 3 year starter who broke out his sophmore year and was a superstar as a junior, cannon arm, super accurate, high football IQ. Goff had a very complete profile.

Goff did not have a cannon arm coming out. Is Mendoza not going through the same thing where he broke out his Sophomore year & becoming a superstar his junior year? Super accurate & high football IQ…how does that not apply to Mendoza as well?

not athletic, hasn't shown out against the few good defenses he's played. Maybe he's decent as a pro, I can't imagine him being a superstar. The Pickett comparison wasnt saying they played similarly, it was that they both have very incomplete profiles and are expected to struggle in the pros.

Brother he is more athletic than Goff, lol. He might not have had perfect games, but he rose up to the occasion against a top 5 Oregon team at the time on the road for a GW drive. Goff legit had a 5 INT game his last season in college. I believe Mendoza already knows how to maneuver around the pocket than Goff did.

Simpson's a very inconsistent 1 year starter who shows flashes, but seems like he has huge bust potential, I don't think he can read defenses. It's not even guaranteed he comes out this year, frankly I think he could use an extra year.

21/1 TD/INT ratio being “inconsistent” is quite the statement. He has shown brilliant & great QB IQ. Dude is already an assassin that attacks the MOF at all levels(where a lot of these current young QBs lack). No comment on the read defenses statement.

He should come out, especially if Bama goes far in the playoffs. Would be dumb as hell not to.

 

[DVontel]

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[DVontel]

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[HairZach]

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I hope you're right about these two, the NFL is more fun with good QBs.

 

[unseenaz]

Ty Simpson looks really good- clean mechanically, athletic, strong arm. Mendoza looks noticeably slower but runs a lot more and creates outside of the pocket. Simpson is smaller than Mendoza but it looks like he's already got NFL ready arm strength.

 

[Chopper0080]

Are there any QBs you're hyped for in this class? I know I'm not great at QB eval but its hard to get excited about guys like Simpson or Mendoza. Like those are two players I can't imagine ever being as good as say, Goff.

Hyped for? Meh. There are several QBs who have traits I like. The bar for QBs coming out has fallen pretty low. Quality of QB play in the NFL is pretty low. None of these guys are a great QB prospect like Burrow or Luck. However, depending on who comes out, there might be a couple different types to work with.

2018 is a great year to highlight the issues with QB scouting.

You had Baker who was experienced, a winner, but a little small and had some off field stuff.

Sam Darnold looked the part but was very inexperienced out of USC and didn't have "great" tools.

Josh Allen was a physical freak but a bit of a mess mechanically and didn't really "win" at Wyoming. He went 16-11 but nothing great.

Josh Rosen was the thinking QB who was limited but could play with timing and rhythm.

Lamar was another freak who was 10 games over .500 at Louisville but was more unorthodox than Allen. Teams didn't like his throwing motion.

I don't think there are necessarily 5 1st round guys in 2026 but there might be a couple different flavors to explore.

 

[Goodyear Card]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25288732-kyler-murray-still-qb1-he-can-go-try-baseball-nfl-execs-coaches-weigh

 

[cardcrazy]

I’m over KM! He may end up producing results elsewhere but not with this coaching regime. And I don’t think this regime is going anywhere for at least for another year.
I think they draft a QB in the first RD (hopefully they trade up AND get lucky with their pick). Then they release KM on June 1 due to nobody wanting his contract.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Reminds me of Mack Jones at Bama will less talent around him.
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[QuebecCard]

I’m over KM! He may end up producing results elsewhere but not with this coaching regime. And I don’t think this regime is going anywhere for at least for another year.
I think they draft a QB in the first RD (hopefully they trade up AND get lucky with their pick). Then they release KM on June 1 due to nobody wanting his contract.

A career backup plus the hope of getting lucky.

Some plan...

 

[MadCardDisease]

The Cardinals will have 5 days to move Kyler after the new league year starts on March 11th 2026 at 4pm est.

There is no way Kyler is on the roster after March 16th. That is when his roster bonuses kick in and add an additional $19.5 million in guaranteed money to an already high cap hit for 2026.

The best option for the Cardinals will be to trade him and save $35M on the 2026 cap. Even if it is for just a minor draft pick or a nobody player. If they can't trade him they will have to just suck it up and take the $57M cap hit which will pretty much eat up any remaining cap space the Cardinals have in 2026.

The Cardinals need at least 2 teams to show interest in Murray. Then they might be able to finagle a trade just to dump Murray and his contract.

This is why I think the Cardinals might get a 6th rounder for Murray just as a way to dump his big 2026 cap hit. The only way they might get more compensation IMO, is if multiple teams show a bunch of interest in Murray.

 

[kerouac9]

The Cardinals will have 5 days to move Kyler after the new league year starts on March 11th 2026 at 4pm est.

There is no way Kyler is on the roster after March 16th. That is when his roster bonuses kick in and add an additional $19.5 million in guaranteed money to an already high cap hit for 2026.

The best option for the Cardinals will be to trade him and save $35M on the 2026 cap. Even if it is for just a minor draft pick or a nobody player. If they can't trade him they will have to just suck it up and take the $57M cap hit which will pretty much eat up any remaining cap space the Cardinals have in 2026.

The Cardinals need at least 2 teams to show interest in Murray. Then they might be able to finagle a trade just to dump Murray and his contract.

Yes. Very sad. The best option is a trade. They can work out that trade prior to the start of the league year and execute it before March 16. They can also give Kyler’s camp permission to seek a trade and maybe negotiate contract details as part of it. I don’t see how Kyler’s camp would be motivated to do this.

The next best solution is give him a June 1 cut designation. The Cards may be able to spread his roster bonus and guarantee over 2026 and 2027 (although I don’t know that and they probably can’t), but whatever money Kyler gets on a new deal will offset what the Bidwills will owe him (and come off the cap).

 

[MadCardDisease]

Yes. Very sad. The best option is a trade. They can work out that trade prior to the start of the league year and execute it before March 16. They can also give Kyler’s camp permission to seek a trade and maybe negotiate contract details as part of it. I don’t see how Kyler’s camp would be motivated to do this.

The next best solution is give him a June 1 cut designation. The Cards may be able to spread his roster bonus and guarantee over 2026 and 2027 (although I don’t know that and they probably can’t), but whatever money Kyler gets on a new deal will offset what the Bidwills will owe him (and come off the cap).

Yep. I believe making him a Post June 1st cut will move about $7M of the cap hit to 2027. So the Cardinals would still be looking at a massive cap hit in 2026 if they go that route. But at least it give them a little more wiggle room.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Yep. I believe making him a Post June 1st cut will move about $7M of the cap hit to 2027. So the Cardinals would still be looking at a massive cap hit in 2026 if they go that route. But at least it give them a little more wiggle room.

Consider this the final parting gift from the Ghost of Steve Keim.

 

[GatorAZ]

Yes. Very sad. The best option is a trade. They can work out that trade prior to the start of the league year and execute it before March 16. They can also give Kyler’s camp permission to seek a trade and maybe negotiate contract details as part of it. I don’t see how Kyler’s camp would be motivated to do this.

The next best solution is give him a June 1 cut designation. The Cards may be able to spread his roster bonus and guarantee over 2026 and 2027 (although I don’t know that and they probably can’t), but whatever money Kyler gets on a new deal will offset what the Bidwills will owe him (and come off the cap).

I think money saved is more important than cap saved. I believe post 6/1 cuts are the same payments just spread over two years but not positive on that.

 

[kerouac9]

Consider this the final parting gift from the Ghost of Steve Keim.

I haven’t done the research but I don’t think this structure is that unusual for top-of-the-market QB contracts. I’ll have to take a look at Tua’s and Herbert’s deals and see.

I think money saved is more important than cap saved. I believe post 6/1 cuts are the same payments just spread over two years but not positive on that.

Money saved is definitely more important to Michael, but we’re already pretty tight against the 2026 cap.

I don’t think the salary and roster bonus can be spread out, but maybe (probably not though).

 

[BirdGangThing]

ocean front property - in arizona

 

[The6]

Don't think anyone saw this coming. What a change of events

 

[Cheesebeef]

Don't think anyone saw this coming. What a change of events

there were a lot of us calling for us to either trade him or cut bait last off-season before his contract could become an albatross moving forward.

 

[Harry]

The Cardinals will have 5 days to move Kyler after the new league year starts on March 11th 2026 at 4pm est.

There is no way Kyler is on the roster after March 16th. That is when his roster bonuses kick in and add an additional $19.5 million in guaranteed money to an already high cap hit for 2026.

The best option for the Cardinals will be to trade him and save $35M on the 2026 cap. Even if it is for just a minor draft pick or a nobody player. If they can't trade him they will have to just suck it up and take the $57M cap hit which will pretty much eat up any remaining cap space the Cardinals have in 2026.

The Cardinals need at least 2 teams to show interest in Murray. Then they might be able to finagle a trade just to dump Murray and his contract.

This is why I think the Cardinals might get a 6th rounder for Murray just as a way to dump his big 2026 cap hit. The only way they might get more compensation IMO, is if multiple teams show a bunch of interest in Murray.

Those talks can happen at any point

 

[Harry]

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[football karma]

If they can't trade him they will have to just suck it up and take the $57M cap hit which will pretty much eat up any remaining cap space the Cardinals have in 2026.

this isnt the case

Kyler 2026 cap hit is currently $53.3mm.

If they cut him prior to March 22, that turns into a $55mm dead cap hit.

Their cap room is effectively unchanged.