Spurs @ Suns Monday game thread 12-6-2021

[Finito]

Catching up on the thread...

I think Shamet's deal is largely non-guaranteed. I don't think it will have any impact on future deals.

I don't know how apparent it was on TV but Bridges' hand was clearly bothering him, almost any time he had any level of impact on that arm he was holding his hand and wincing afterwards. I think it will be a bit before we see him trying outside shots again.

I am surprised the crowd refrained from booing Ayton... that was a nightmare of a game for him. I appreciate that he still made some big defensive plays but good lord, that was Robin Lopez as a rookie level ball handling. There must have been 8 plays where he either lost his dribble or the ball clanked off his hands, only ONE of those plays I would say was not his fault, the Cam Payne pass was a laser from a spot where I don't think anyone thought Cam would try a pass, the rest were completely on Ayton, especially his clown show dribbling disaster in the 2nd quarter... which I think he did twice.

I've maintained that Ayton's hands are good but his biggest problem is not trusting himself to attack the rim without gathering... he certainly made that opinion look foolish tonight, he had hands made of bricks.

Fun night though. My dad and my brother enjoyed their first Suns game in ages.

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Side note... after not having a rough light rail ride in my life, my dad hops on the worst light raid compartment I have ever been on. That was a bummer. Two people having loud arguments with themselves and another guy who spent the ride picking at his own hands.

Yuck.

You don’t Boo your good players at home just because they have a bad game. That’s low class

I remember when fans here boo’ed KJ and that got national attention. Not a good look at all

 

[Dr. Jones]

How soon people forget just how awful our point guard rotation used to be. Now Cam Payne is expendable? Come on.

Expendable? heck no. I don't even think I inferred that. I called him a high-end role player? Where does that define anyone as expendable?

the ONLY bad thing that can be inferred is that when it matters most (IE: end of game playoff situations) they aren't the guys I want on the floor in that moment.

You come on.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is that clutch steal by Chris Paul on Dejounte Murray and 3-pointer by Cam Johnson.

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[Chaplin]

Expendable? heck no. I don't even think I inferred that. I called him a high-end role player? Where does that define anyone as expendable?

the ONLY bad thing that can be inferred is that when it matters most (IE: end of game playoff situations) they aren't the guys I want on the floor in that moment.

You come on.

Which backup point guard would fit your definition then? Who would be better than Cam Payne while still taking a backup spot? End of game playoff situations changes your narrative.

 

[Covert Rain]

We can't lose Cam. It's not a like for like scenario with the JJ debacle but it would be close.

Our HIGH IQ wing depth combined with two premium ball handlers is what makes us great. This is not debatable IMO.

Not an option / Cant' Lose
CP3 & Book - Our stars
Ayton - mercurial semi-star
Mikal & Cam - Our extremely above average Wings
Jae - Glue & Grit

the rest:
Shamet/McGee/Cam - The high-end role players - Not when it matters most though.
Frank - More glue, can give you season minutes but not playoff minutes
Stix/Payton - The bench

You think it's an option to lose McGee and Cam?!?!? I couldn't disagree more unless the caveat is that you have someone competent to replace them. I think people forget how hard it was to find a legit backup for Ayton and backup PG in Cam. McGee and Cam have been huge for this team.

I think your list needs to be revised for to contain a bucket between the two you have listed. Those two guys we CANNOT lose without adequate replacements. The rest of that list I agree but 100% would not combine them with the rest in that list.

 

[Mainstreet]

You think it's an option to lose McGee and Cam?!?!? I couldn't disagree more unless the caveat is that you have someone competent to replace them. I think people forget how hard it was to find a legit backup for Ayton and backup PG in Cam. McGee and Cam have been huge for this team.

I think your list needs to be revised for to contain a bucket between the two you have listed. Those two guys we CANNOT lose without adequate replacements. The rest of that list I agree but 100% would not combine them with the rest in that list.

I agree the Suns can't lose JaVale McGee and Cam Payne. They are the heart of the bench and are on reasonable contracts.

McGee is the key ingredient the Suns were missing in the Finals last season.

 

[Yuma]

I don't think Thad Young's trade value is going up.

I would be pissed pissed to trade players, a first and second round pick as most trade scenarios show for us in this trade.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You don’t Boo your good players at home just because they have a bad game. That’s low class

I remember when fans here boo’ed KJ and that got national attention. Not a good look at all

Unless you're in Philly.

 

[GatorAZ]

Which backup point guard would fit your definition then? Who would be better than Cam Payne while still taking a backup spot? End of game playoff situations changes your narrative.

Depends on whether he continues to kill the offense when he’s out there. There’s probably better backups available.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Here is that clutch steal by Chris Paul on Dejounte Murray and 3-pointer by Cam Johnson.

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And for everyone that is a fan of the Cardinals as well..

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes i cringe everytime he's left in the game past the 6min mark as a starter. I would like to see CJ come in a little sooner then start staggering substitutions instead of rolling in 2-3 guys at one time. Back to Shamet, they start to target him and the i think its pretty well known that he'd subpar on D. Then i hate his offense where he's leaning so much like he's got a defender right in his grill, usually ends on a miss. He's great at set shooting and I think he's in love with trying to be Curry when he should be more JJ Reddick.

This. Man, all day this.

 

[Chaplin]

Depends on whether he continues to kill the offense when he’s out there. There’s probably better backups available.

Such a short memory -- he had a terrible game against he Warriors last week, but you seem to forget almost every other game he has played for the Suns.

There's "probably" better backups available? Please, enlighten us. Who is available that is a better backup point guard than Cam Payne?

 

[Mainstreet]

The word "available" makes it tricky. Jalen Brunson might be a better backup point guard but he is not available.

 

[Mainstreet]

Exciting game between Nets and Mavericks. Nets come back after trailing by 17 to win 102-99.

 

[GatorAZ]

Such a short memory -- he had a terrible game against he Warriors last week, but you seem to forget almost every other game he has played for the Suns.

There's "probably" better backups available? Please, enlighten us. Who is available that is a better backup point guard than Cam Payne?

Uh what? He’s been flat out bad this year… Terrible metrics, bad eye test, efficiency tanked, poor decision making. And I said there are upgrades if he keeps playing at his his current rate which I don’t think he will.