"only three players worthy"

[Lex]

of the #6 pick, according to the cardinella's. Two recievers, and a tackle, and they were gone, so we traded down.

When did the cardinella's get the job of determining the value of all the players in the draft?

They had Suggs rated #16, and "didn't want him." Fine. Did they have Pace rated #18???

Was ANYONE worthy of the #6 pick?

Pathetic.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Lex

When did the cardinella's get the job of determining the value of all the players in the draft?

Pathetic.

DOH!!! When THEY entered the draft. It's THEIR picks THEY are making. Who else would be determining them?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
of the #6 pick, according to the cardinella's. Two recievers, and a tackle, and they were gone, so we traded down.

When did the cardinella's get the job of determining the value of all the players in the draft?

They had Suggs rated #16, and "didn't want him." Fine. Did they have Pace rated #18???

Was ANYONE worthy of the #6 pick?

Pathetic.

Lex I actually agree with teh Cards on that point. as I said last week I'm car shopping right now, I know what I want(Tahoe), I know about what I'm willing to pay, I haven't bought yet because the only dealer willing to sell me what I want, at what I'm willing to pay, was a jerk and ticked me off so I left(which I may ultimately regret if I can't get that price elsewhere but so be it).

I could easily walk in and pay 2-3000 more than I want and get he exact vehicle I want, but that's poor "value" IMHO.

The Cards could easily have stayed put and picked someone but then they have to shell out 5-6 years at 14-17 million to the guy, he's going to want a 2 tiered bonus, we all know the result protracted holdout. The Cards had 3 guys on the board(no doubt Rogers, Johnson and Robertson) who they were willing to do that with, they were all gone, so we moved down.

The real question is did we get good value when we moved down or did we just buy a Trailblazer instead of a Tahoe because it's cheaper?

 

[Lex]

That's a fine analogy Russ. When shopping for a vehicle, people get a number in their head that they would spend. If it turns out that the dealer won't do what they want, they settle for a vehicle they DIDN'T want, but the price is right, since after all, it's not the dealer that sets the selling price for cars...it's the other buyers.

Now you've accomplished your objective, you paid what you wanted to, for something you didn't want. Good job. In two years, you'll want out of that car you didn't want in the first place, and you'll be buried in your payments, because you refuse to drive it any more. Kinda like salary cap hell.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

my god, i agree with lex.

 

[DRVNFAST]

The next person that calls them the Cardinella's should get tar and feathered

 

[SweetD]

No kidding there is not going to be a happy ending!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
That's a fine analogy Russ. When shopping for a vehicle, people get a number in their head that they would spend. If it turns out that the dealer won't do what they want, they settle for a vehicle they DIDN'T want, but the price is right, since after all, it's not the dealer that sets the selling price for cars...it's the other buyers.

Now you've accomplished your objective, you paid what you wanted to, for something you didn't want. Good job. In two years, you'll want out of that car you didn't want in the first place, and you'll be buried in your payments, because you refuse to drive it any more. Kinda like salary cap hell.

That was my point Lex the Cards decided the Tahoe cost too much at 6, the question is did we still get one at 18 or did we get a Trailblazer?

I don't know the answer I've never seen Pace play, but I do understand why we wanted to move down we didn't like Suggs enough to pay that premium.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
That was my point Lex the Cards decided the Tahoe cost too much at 6, the question is did we still get one at 18 or did we get a Trailblazer?

I don't know the answer I've never seen Pace play, but I do understand why we wanted to move down we didn't like Suggs enough to pay that premium.

But what can anyone expect from #18? Isn't that more of a Trailblazer spot than a Tahoe one?

 

[football karma]

Caught Jurecki and Dave Pasch on the radio at lunch – they talked about why the Cards had Suggs out of the top 10 –

The Cards concluded that with the added weight, and drop in speed, Suggs needed to play at 240 lbs or so to be effective. That made him either a specialist or a LB, and there were questions about him playing in space standing up vs. three point stance simply rushing the passer. Still a good player, but not top 6.

BTW --Tom Donahoe, GM of the Bills was on and he noted that the Bills had Suggs outside the top 10 as well.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by AZCB34
But what can anyone expect from #18? Isn't that more of a Trailblazer spot than a Tahoe one?

You can get an LS there but not an LT with leather (-:

I guess the point is the Cards didn't believe Suggs was worth that money, nor anybody else, so rather than just draft a position they need and overpay, they chose to move down. If McDougle had been there we would have made it work.

 

[AzCards21]

Originally posted by Lex
of the #6 pick, according to the cardinella's. Two recievers, and a tackle, and they were gone, so we traded down.

When did the cardinella's get the job of determining the value of all the players in the draft?

They had Suggs rated #16, and "didn't want him." Fine. Did they have Pace rated #18???

Was ANYONE worthy of the #6 pick?

Pathetic.

So how much money did you lose on this draft Lex? You seem a little out of sorts today.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
I guess the point is the Cards didn't believe Suggs was worth that money, nor anybody else, so rather than just draft a position they need and overpay, they chose to move down. If McDougle had been there we would have made it work.

This I agree with fully and it is why, while not a 100% money move, money was an issue. They couldn't justify in their own minds paying #6 money once their top 3 guys were gone.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
You can get an LS there but not an LT with leather (-:

I guess the point is the Cards didn't believe Suggs was worth that money, nor anybody else, so rather than just draft a position they need and overpay, they chose to move down. If McDougle had been there we would have made it work.

Hypothetically: McDougle at #17 vs Suggs at #6?
For the money and another pick, I'd take McDougle any day.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Hypothetically: McDougle at #17 vs Suggs at #6?
For the money and another pick, I'd take McDougle any day.

But you didn't get McDougle, you got Calvin Pace. Are you happy now? I'm sure not.

This is like people giving credit to Graves for the botched Colvin and Holliday recruitments. I didn't want Holliday, but people are treating it like Graves did his job because he offered more money and still got passed over.

I don't know about you, but I know that I get paid for getting results, and not for effort. I work in a sales office, and we're always told that price is never the sole concern. If it were, you wouldn't need salesmen. If Graves thought he could just throw money around and get top-shelf players, he was way mistaken, and I don't think we should give him love for being and also-ran.

 

[Lex]

I totally understand trading down if you don't think ANY PLAYER is worth #6 money. But then don't overpay BOTH your trade down picks! That is just plain stupid. If there is even a chance in hell that you won't get a player you want at a price you like, by trading down, you do the best you can with your own pick.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Originally posted by kerouac9
But you didn't get McDougle, you got Calvin Pace. Are you happy now? I'm sure not.

This is like people giving credit to Graves for the botched Colvin and Holliday recruitments. I didn't want Holliday, but people are treating it like Graves did his job because he offered more money and still got passed over.

I don't know about you, but I know that I get paid for getting results, and not for effort. I work in a sales office, and we're always told that price is never the sole concern. If it were, you wouldn't need salesmen. If Graves thought he could just throw money around and get top-shelf players, he was way mistaken, and I don't think we should give him love for being and also-ran.

Just out of curiousity how do you convince some one to come and play for a team when they do not want to play for them?

He offered Colvin more money and Holliday I believe was offered equal to what KC finally came up with.

Did you want Graves to give them even more money? What?

I think that would be a poor business decision that would come back and bite Graves in the arse.

Mike

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
But you didn't get McDougle, you got Calvin Pace. Are you happy now? I'm sure not.

This is like people giving credit to Graves for the botched Colvin and Holliday recruitments.

I have no idea what to think of Calvin Pace. I've seen about as much of him as you have.

It's nothing like Graves not landing Colvin. I don't give him credit for anything so far except for blowing up a crap backfield. Being in a position to offer more cash doesn't take any brains. I don't know how you throw these analogies together.

You know nothing about the guy, yet you're sure not happy about him? Surely there's a particular little Latin phrase that sums up this fallacy somewhere.

For someone named kerouac, I think you're maybe a little too caught up in hype, headlines and the national spotlight.