My response to Reineking bashing Cards!

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I emailed this to [email protected] and I urge everyone here to let him have it. Lets show him how many Cardinals fans are out there!!!




Reineking ,


You might want to consider getting your facts straight before writing a garbage Op/Ed piece. Now I realize you're not a real journalist, but that does not excuse your mistakes. Below I will show what you wrote and underneath in red I will correct your mistakes or rebut your some of your "claims".





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Yes, Dennis Green (winner of exactly zero Super Bowls in his 10-year tenure with the Vikings, a traditional contender we might add), coupled with a slick new logo, will turn this moribund franchise around. Good luck, 23 coaches before him — including the legendary Curly Lambeau and a gentleman actually named "Winner" (Charley Winner) couldn't get the Cardinals on top.

The Vikings have never won a Super Bowl; therefore they have never truly been on top. Plus, your assertion that Dennis Green benefited from this franchise's history and not from his coaching is a complete farce.

You: But, who's really a Cardinals fan? Or, more important, who'd ever admit to being a Cardinals fan?



There are plenty of loyal Cardinals fans, simply go to ArizonaSportsFans.com to see and read the real intelligent discussions of Cards' football. Secondly, I--along with many others--am not afraid to admit to being a true fan. It is easy for the average "fan" of football to be a huge fan of winning teams. How many new Patriots fans have sprouted since they have become perennial Super Bowl participants? I have a lot more respect for the true fans that stick by their franchise through thick and thin, not the winning flavor of the year.


YOU: Something rare happened in 2004 that gave Cardinals fans hope for 2005 ... the team didn't finish in last place (of course in some strange form of poetic justice, the last-place 49ers beat the Cardinals twice).




Although there have been some very, very, lean years in Cardinal land, the team has only finished in last place 11 times since 1980--last I looked that is 24 years of football. And yes, it is almost 50% of the time (which is terrible) I would hardly call it rare.

YOU: Obviously, a uniform change — and not an off-season or two of shrewd moves and clever draft selections — will make the team a contender.




Here is another example of your failure to get your facts straight: Last off-season Dennis Green and the Cardinals brought in Bert Berry, 15 1/2 sacks later Berry is on his way to Hawaii. Then in the 2004 draft, Green/Cardinals had one of the strongest rookie classes in the draft: Larry Fitzgerald, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, and Alex Steopanovich. All of these rookies became starters and contributed in huge ways to the team. I would argue that no other team in last years draft had a deeper more impact effect on a team than the Cardinals.

YOU: Mediocrity wasn't just relegated to the offense. The Cardinals also sported the NFL's 21st-ranked defense in 2004.




Now this is the one that truly takes the cake! A simple fact check on NFL.com or Pro-Football-reference.com would tell you that the Cardinals finished #12 in total defense. That is a whole lot better than mediocre. Now, you may have sorted the rankings by an individual stat and picked the lowest ranked category to fit the skewed picture of the Cardinals you are trying to portray.



I don't know what is more embarrassing you not getting your facts straight, or your editor not checking and verifying your claims before the story is published. Or--better yet--maybe the editor let it slide to expose what a hack you to show the country that you can’t even apply the most basic concepts in Journalism 101.



Op-Ed pieces do not shield you from the need to support your claims with strong evidence and facts. It is that fact alone that renders any valid point you have moot, because it is clouded with mistakes and outright disregard for the truth.



YOU: Look at what that did for the Broncos in 1997 (Super Bowl victory in first year with new uniforms), Buccaneers in 1997 (suddenly competitive after years of futility after going from florescent orange to pewter power, and then eventually winning a Super Bowl too), Titans in 1999 (Super Bowl appearance, but bitter last-second loss to Rams) and Giants in 2000 (Super Bowl appearance, but complete throttling at hands of Ravens, another team that features a sleeker, meaner bird as its logo).

Cardinals players haven't been able to deliver a championship.

So in 2005, the Cardinals will put their hopes in a new wardrobe to help erase a half century of misery.




Nobody in the Cardinals organization or their fan base believes that a uniform change is the key to winning games. What the uniform change does do is symbolize the Cardinals desire to tell the fans and the NFL that this is a team that is now committed to change, to not be the same ol' Cardinals, and to show the NFL community, fans, and players that this will be a team that has a new commitment to winning.





 

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You might have wanted to show him the fact that only one "dome team" has ever won the Superbowl. It wasn't Greens fault. Otherwise thanks for doing that, his acticle (if that's what you call it) POed me too.
 

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I sent an email to this ****** as well. More people should, this article pissed me off!!!
 
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DevonCardsFan said:
I sent an email to this ****** as well. More people should, this article pissed me off!!!


I agree, lets make sure everyone who belongs to this board emails that piece of work, even if the email says "You Suck"

We need to flood his email with hundreds or thousands of pro-Cardinal emails--make him eat his words on who would admit to being a Cardinals fan.
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LoyaltyisaCurse said:
I agree, lets make sure everyone who belongs to this board emails that piece of work, even if the email says "You Suck"

We need to flood his email with hundreds or thousands of pro-Cardinal emails--make him eat his words on who would admit to being a Cardinals fan.
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Good call, if he recieves no responses, It would look like there really are no Cardinal fans. Let this ******* know how many Cards fans there are by telling him he sucks ass.
 

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Here's mine....

You suck, go and cover the cake walk at the local county fair.
 

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This guy could care less if you write him. He probably feeds off it. You would be better off writing the network and telling them you will no longer read or watch anything related with Fox sports....(which I bet you can not due) They still could care less. Its the writers opinion vs. yours... difference is he gets paid to write his.
 

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insider said:
This guy could care less if you write him. He probably feeds off it. You would be better off writing the network and telling them you will no longer read or watch anything related with Fox sports....(which I bet you can not due) They still could care less. Its the writers opinion vs. yours... difference is he gets paid to write his.
Yeah you are right, but a bunch of Hatemail from Cards Fans does seem cool :D
 

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Change the subject though.... If he sees cardinals he will probably not open it after reading a couple.
 
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insider said:
This guy could care less if you write him. He probably feeds off it. You would be better off writing the network and telling them you will no longer read or watch anything related with Fox sports....(which I bet you can not due) They still could care less. Its the writers opinion vs. yours... difference is he gets paid to write his.


Unfortunately, I cannot do this because the company I work for produces "Beyond the Glory" for Fox Sports Net, so I am kind of stuck in that regard.

But, I think its good to email him whatever is on your mind...Op/Ed guys love it, but it is still good to let him know we are out here.
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Here's mine. I quite enjoy writing these, even if they don't get read...

Your op-ed on the cardinals was the most ridiculous example of "head-up-the-ass-disease" that I have ever seen. Is it too much for you to crack a media guide, watch a draft, check out ANYTHING, before submitting drivel that you banged out on a martini-bender as soon as you remembered you had a story due?

Denny Green has come in and changed the perception of this team, from top to bottom. Last season, we lost more games, by more points, and with terrible effort. We went on the road and got hammered by the Browns and Niners--losing by more than 28 points each time. THAT was the team you were writing about, the one you saw last year. Our defense improved this season from almost last to TWELFTH, not 21st, but 12th. Perhaps you are dyslexic, so I'll give you a pass on that lie in your article. Our offense did not click the way Denny wanted it to, and yet it still improved. We won two more games this year, were in a hell of a lot more, and even gave the Pats a game which is better than we can say the Colts did. This team played with heart, non-stop, every game and every play. That's improvement, and something that you don't understand. The wins were larger, and the team was far better.

You prove your state of delirium most clearly when talking about free agency and the draft. If there was any year to **** about the Card's offseason, it was this one. Signed Denny Green as head coach, signed (now-pro bowler with 14.5 sacks) Bertrand Berry, drafted Larry Fitzgerald (I think you've heard of him 8 TDs and almost 800 yards), drafted Darnell Dockett (rookie starter getting double-teamed on the regular at DT), drafted Karlos Dansby (also a rookie starting LB, playing great), drafted Alex Stepanovich (starting center). During the season, they signed hard-hitting starting safety Adrian Wilson to a long-term deal (something that has rarely happened with this team). Tell me another team that made that many moves with that good of a draft. Yet you still want to talk about the "same ol' Cardinals." Those Cardinals do not exist any longer, except in your mind.

Bill Bidwill doesn't run the show any longer; Mike Bidwill does, and he is moving this team forward. The non-jaded would notice that the change in the logo is sleek and more aggressive. Kind of like this new team. There is a new attitude here in the desert, and I feel sorry for those of you who have tunnel vision to the past and allow your blinders to shield the progress this team is making.

Sad that you are sport-dissing a franchise, that for the first time in 20 years, is actually positioning itself with smart, aggressive moves both on the field and off. That's a much better story than half-assing a deadline piece using old and incorrect data. I feel sorry for those who don't follow this team closely and rely on people like you for their misinformed understanding of the team; they will be shocked when the Cards whip their teams' asses next season saying "but Jim said that team sucks!!"

Don't poke a stick and try to anger Cards fans; you may think we don't exist, but I hope you'll find out soon enough how real we are.

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Here's mine:


I thought I’d take a few seconds out of my busy day to respond to your ridiculous article on the Cardinals.


I have taught my 6-year-old daughter how to use Google. Despite her slow typing speed and limited vocabulary, it took her exactly 3 minutes and 45 seconds to determine that the Caridnals finished 12th overall in total defense, not 21st.


To allege that the Cards had a poor off-season is the same as shouting “I’m an idiot” from the rooftops. Bertrand Berry. Ever hear of him? He’ll be on TV starting in the Pro Bowl. Karlos Dansby, Alex Steponovich, Darnell Dockett, Larry Fitzgerald. If you haven’t heard of them, you will. They’re all rookies and they’re all starters.


You call our new stadium a monstrosity. Obviously the NFL thinks otherwise. You’ll be working at McDonald’s in 2008, and won’t receive press credentials to watch the Superbowl in our fabulous new stadium. It will be the finest sporting venue in North America. Natural grass, perfect climate. Calling it a monstrosity means you really don’t understand stadia.


I hope you get this email before Fox security guards escort you from the premises for gross incompetence.


Sincerely,


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Well, at least the guy responded back:

Thanks for the feedback!

Sorry, I don't drink martinis. It was beer.

Good luck to your new-look Cards.

- Jim

I told him it must have been good beer, and that he should pay attention to the team and give us the deserved respect when he feels we deserve it.
 

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I got the same reply

heres my email

"Dude you are a complete hack. Bashing the Cards is a pretty easy thing to
do, but the way you bashed the Cards was completely uninformed and pathetic.
You put no effort in that article, I won't even debate how wrong you were
because you put no effort into it. As a journalist you are a joke, I usually
don't do things like this, But your article sucked so much ass I had to
point it out!!!! Have a nice day."

and reply
"Thanks for the feedback!
Good luck to your new-look Cards.
- Jim"
 
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KLL said:
I bet Reineking has it set to automatic response! :)

That is funny, I haven't gotten a response yet...I guess he got sick of us, but I say keep em' coming some more !
 

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LoyaltyisaCurse said:
That is funny, I haven't gotten a response yet...I guess he got sick of us, but I say keep em' coming some more !

Maybe I got a response because the title of the email was "Great Article", he probably quit opening the ones That are titled "You Blow" or "Please remove your head from you A.." Etc. :D
 
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DevonCardsFan said:
Maybe I got a response because the title of the email was "Great Article", he probably quit opening the ones That are titled "You Blow" or "Please remove your head from you A.." Etc. :D

You are probably right, I wrote, "Get your facts straight"...

What a wuss only reading responses that appear to laud him, what a joke!:wave:
 

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He answered me and was pretty nice about it.

Barry,

Thanks for the feedback!

Good luck to your new-look Cards.

- Jim

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