Cardinals at Niners gameday thread 9-21-25

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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He has to catch that.

But it also shows what we’ve been arguing back to last season, ball placement also matters. It’s slightly behind jones which allowed the db to catch up and disrupt the catch. If it’s good ball placement and in front of jones he likely catches, runs for two or three steps and gets tackled and it’s ballgame.

Kyler just isn’t an accurate QB.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Unmentioned: Kyler has plenty of time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And he had tucked it into his gut. It just bounced free when he hit the ground. The SF took him down but he never touched the ball or effected the catch

Disagree. The body contact definitely contributed to the drop.

 

[urs]

He has to catch that.

But it also shows what we’ve been arguing back to last season, ball placement also matters. It’s slightly behind jones which allowed the db to catch up and disrupt the catch. If it’s good ball placement and in front of jones he likely catches, runs for two or three steps and gets tackled and it’s ballgame.

Kyler just isn’t an accurate QB.

With a minimum of 300 attempts he's the most accurate Cardinals QB in history by 2 full percent.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Probably saying this. Should’ve just left it at “That was a bad drop”.

Wonder what that YPA looks like if a highly touted WR wasn’t dropping passes? Idk.

Highly touted prospects do as well. Looks like we probably have one of those at the WR skill position.


You are killing me refusing to admit Marv has been a massive disappointment, lmao.

They’re both disappointments.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

ALL QB's have drops. Saying "What would his YPA look like without the drops" is pointless. But for the record, it would still have been really bad.

Marv has been a massive disappointment, never said otherwise. I also don't blame Marv. His QB sucks. I honestly have no real concerns about Marv. Marv will be fine when he gets an actual QB.

This kinda saps your credibility. There’s no evidence of this.

 

[DVontel]

They’re both disappointments.

Everybody here except maybe two people knows Kyler is a disappointment. That’s not the point. Brit & unfortunately Chop are dancing around the fact that Marv is as well without throwing that “but!” In there. They are absolving him of his own problems.

 

[football karma]

If it’s good ball placement and in front of jones he likely catches, runs for two or three steps and gets tackled and it’s ballgame.

i think this is nitpicking

that was good ball placement -- doesnt mean is couldnt be better, but that is a standard NFL WR catch that didnt happen

 

[Chopper0080]

He has to catch that.

But it also shows what we’ve been arguing back to last season, ball placement also matters. It’s slightly behind jones which allowed the db to catch up and disrupt the catch. If it’s good ball placement and in front of jones he likely catches, runs for two or three steps and gets tackled and it’s ballgame.

Kyler just isn’t an accurate QB.

9 of 19 on passes further than 5 yards from the LOS.

 

[Chopper0080]

Everybody here except maybe two people knows Kyler is a disappointment. That’s not the point. Brit & unfortunately Chop are dancing around the fact that Marv is as well without throwing that “but!” In there. They are absolving him of his own problems.

To clarify, I am attempting to understand it vs excusing it. Maybe that isn't clear in my posts. I am 100% disappointed in MHJs output at this point into his career. I just also hate the offense and how it uses WRs. For me, both things can exist.

 

[iLLmatiC]

To clarify, I am attempting to understand it vs excusing it. Maybe that isn't clear in my posts. I am 100% disappointed in MHJs output at this point into his career. I just also hate the offense and how it uses WRs. For me, both things can exist.

It doesn’t really feel that way when you make comments like this::

“100%. The drop in the middle of the field was so unconventional that MHJ had so much time to over think it. It took forever to get there and I am sure MHJ knew that he could potentially race to the endzone if it ever got to him. Now, of course he has to catch it. No excuse. Bu tat this rate, MHJ needs to pay me to come throw the ball to him so he can adjust to these oddly thrown passes.“

Still blaming Kyler for the dropped pass. Wild.

 

[Chopper0080]

It doesn’t really feel that way when you make comments like this::

“100%. The drop in the middle of the field was so unconventional that MHJ had so much time to over think it. It took forever to get there and I am sure MHJ knew that he could potentially race to the endzone if it ever got to him. Now, of course he has to catch it. No excuse. Bu tat this rate, MHJ needs to pay me to come throw the ball to him so he can adjust to these oddly thrown passes.“

Still blaming Kyler for the dropped pass. Wild.

I literally said "he has to catch it. no excuse". Trying to explain how a high level athlete messes up a routine play doesn't excuse it.

 

[Chopper0080]

He has to catch that.

But it also shows what we’ve been arguing back to last season, ball placement also matters. It’s slightly behind jones which allowed the db to catch up and disrupt the catch. If it’s good ball placement and in front of jones he likely catches, runs for two or three steps and gets tackled and it’s ballgame.

Kyler just isn’t an accurate QB.

And some of this is the difference between college accuracy and NFL accuracy. If you are choosing to throw to a WR like Zay Jones in a high leverage situation, you have to put it where the defender can't break it up. Otherwise it's just another contested catch with one of your worst pass catchers.

 

[DVontel]

I literally said "he has to catch it. no excuse". Trying to explain how a high level athlete messes up a routine play doesn't excuse it.

But then you say this:

I just also hate the offense and how it uses WRs. For me, both things can exist.

This doesn’t have anything to do with dropping wide open passes. You’re coping.

 

[TRW]

My recall of the game may be dulled since I am on pain meds post op, but the first drive made me almost pop the stitches in my gut because it was so damn frustrating. I kept seeing the Murray stats with 5 yards per pass, dink, dink, dunk...ad nauseum. There are many on this board much more savvy than I at football evaluation and, IMO, the many various opinions really add up to the sum of the problem.

This offense may have been great in the 60's and early 70's, so I buy the Petzing criticism. The WR room is even worse than I thought and I thought it was not going to be good. The drops didn't help the cause for sure. Murray was, well, kind of Murray as we've seen for most of the last 6+ years, some mercurial plays, some WTF? plays and a lot of meh plays. The defense goes soft at the worst times (although it is great to see Calais play here again). Mac Jones was playing on one leg toward the end and still made the plays to get his team to win. Still was a very winnable game but, well, we are the Cardinals no?

Anyway, this season is unfolding about how I expected. Kind of a repeat of last season for the most part. I will not be surprised if the Cards beat the Seahawks on Thursday, nor will I be surprised if the Seahawks blow them out. I WILL be surprised if the Cards blow the Seahawks out.

Namaste everyone. Happy Monday.

 

[BirdGangThing]

My recall of the game may be dulled since I am on pain meds post op, but the first drive made me almost pop the stitches in my gut because it was so damn frustrating. I kept seeing the Murray stats with 5 yards per pass, dink, dink, dunk...ad nauseum. There are many on this board much more savvy than I at football evaluation and, IMO, the many various opinions really add up to the sum of the problem.

This offense may have been great in the 60's and early 70's, so I buy the Petzing criticism. The WR room is even worse than I thought and I thought it was not going to be good. The drops didn't help the cause for sure. Murray was, well, kind of Murray as we've seen for most of the last 6+ years, some mercurial plays, some WTF? plays and a lot of meh plays. The defense goes soft at the worst times (although it is great to see Calais play here again). Mac Jones was playing on one leg toward the end and still made the plays to get his team to win. Still was a very winnable game but, well, we are the Cardinals no?

Anyway, this season is unfolding about how I expected. Kind of a repeat of last season for the most part. I will not be surprised if the Cards beat the Seahawks on Thursday, nor will I be surprised if the Seahawks blow them out. I WILL be surprised if the Cards blow the Seahawks out.

Namaste everyone. Happy Monday.

nice - and a speedy recovery to you good sir

 

[FB94]

With a minimum of 300 attempts he's the most accurate Cardinals QB in history by 2 full percent.

Easy to be accurate when you throw every pass less than five yards

 

[Chopper0080]

But then you say this:


This doesn’t have anything to do with dropping wide open passes. You’re coping.

I don't understand how that is cope but we can disagree I guess.

 

[BritCard]

Garrett Wilson’s QBs sucks.
Malik Nabers’ QB sucks.
Tet McMillan’s QB sucks.
Rome Odunze’s QBs sucks.

There's a big difference between not being a bad quarterback and having a QB with a YPA of 6 who hates passing to WR's.

 

[BritCard]

Take a long look in the mirror because the people you argue with nonstop about Kyler(602 & DaHilg), but you do it with Marv.

Dude, I've barely spoke about him. I'm generally uninterested at the moment on what Marv is or is not. It's impossible to tell while Kyler is his QB.

His drops have been embarrassing. At the same time I think if he makes those drops and has an 80 yard, 1 TD game nobody cares. The issue is that he has a QB that makes that almost impossible for him.

I'll judge Marv when I see him with a proper QB.

 

[BritCard]

This kinda saps your credibility. There’s no evidence of this.

Apart from an elite college career, the testimony of his peers and his often discussed work rate and intelligence.

I have little concern about Marv. If he was playing with any QB between Lamar and Bo Nix the league would be talking about him in the same breath as Nabers and Thomas.

Brain Thomas has a 12% drop ratio this year BTW but people don't care when you get yards too and Marv isn't getting that chance.

 

[DVontel]

There's a big difference between not being a bad quarterback and having a QB with a YPA of 6 who hates passing to WR's.

Dude, I've barely spoke about him. I'm generally uninterested at the moment on what Marv is or is not. It's impossible to tell while Kyler is his QB.

His drops have been embarrassing. At the same time I think if he makes those drops and has an 80 yard, 1 TD game nobody cares. The issue is that he has a QB that makes that almost impossible for him.

I'll judge Marv when I see him with a proper QB.

Damn, I admire your resilience going down with the ship. It’s honestly impressive.

 

[BritCard]

Everybody here except maybe two people knows Kyler is a disappointment. That’s not the point. Brit & unfortunately Chop are dancing around the fact that Marv is as well without throwing that “but!” In there. They are absolving him of his own problems.

Marv is a disappointment, but I believe much of it is a symptom of having a poor QB. He's not getting warm or in rhythim, he's getting frustrated (who wouldn't?) with running so many fruitless routes.

Marv absolutely has some stinking drops and he's not aggressive enough for me. I'm just not going to judge him until I see him with an actual QB.

 

[BritCard]

It doesn’t really feel that way when you make comments like this::

“100%. The drop in the middle of the field was so unconventional that MHJ had so much time to over think it. It took forever to get there and I am sure MHJ knew that he could potentially race to the endzone if it ever got to him. Now, of course he has to catch it. No excuse. Bu tat this rate, MHJ needs to pay me to come throw the ball to him so he can adjust to these oddly thrown passes.“

Still blaming Kyler for the dropped pass. Wild.

He's right though. It was an underthrown, unnaturally high pass for the situation. He should have caught it, but it also wasn't where he was expecting or at an angle he was expecting.

Both things can be true.

 

[DVontel]

Marv is a disappointment, but I believe much of it is a symptom of having a poor QB. He's not getting warm or in rhythim, he's getting frustrated (who wouldn't?) with running so many fruitless routes.

Marv absolutely has some stinking drops and he's not aggressive enough for me. I'm just not going to judge him until I see him with an actual QB.

What’s killing me is that you’re acting like Marvin Harrison Jr. is the first WR in the history of the sport to be dealing with a bad QB.