Panthers at Cardinals gameday thread 9-14-2025
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Arizona Cardinals begin season with penalty problem
Through two games, the Cardinals have had 21 penalties after having only 10 in the first two games of 2024.
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Nabers definitely got better separation in college too.
Come on Stout. Nobody can even criticize Kyler’s outfit when he’s entering the stadium without somebody getting butt hurt.
Dortch has the 2nd best punt return average in the league...
but the 38th best (of 43) kick return average (min 3 returns for each).
Right...that's a 66% success rate no matter how you slice it.
PI doesn't go on a guys status sheet but a WR that can draw them regularly has a lot of value.
And let's be honest...most of the really deep passes in the NFL are gaming towards the penalty more than the catch..... penalty stops the clock.
I just know we need to take more deep shots...6 or 8 a game...make some plays..draw some flags...keep the defense honest
Right...that's a 66% success rate no matter how you slice it.
PI doesn't go on a guys status sheet but a WR that can draw them regularly has a lot of value.
And let's be honest...most of the really deep passes in the NFL are gaming towards the penalty more than the catch..... penalty stops the clock.
I just know we need to take more deep shots...6 or 8 a game...make some plays..draw some flags...keep the defense honest
Hmmm...maybe we should try someone else as the kick returner while leaving Dortch as the punt returner?
These are two stats that are supposed to match up.
There are opportunity stats and there are efficiency stats. When an elite WR is being held back by a lack of targets, he will have bad opportunity stats and amazing efficiency stats. MHJ has good opportunity stats (targets, air yards, route participation) and mediocre/bad efficiency stats (yards per route run, catch rate, separation). Efficiency is how you're supposed to know a WR is good. Judging the player based on what he does with the targets he's given.
Elite WR1 like Nabers are super efficient and get a lot of targets. Low end WR1s, like Calvin Ridley, are not super efficient, but still can get okay counting stats through sheer volume. Often times low end WR1s are outscored by efficient WR2s. Right now MHJ is the WR2 in this offense. MHJ has a 20% target share, while McBride has a 29% target share. That is normal considering MHJs career yards per route run is 1.61 , while post breakout McBride's is 2.42. It is also an extremely high target share for a WR2, we have a very concentrated offense. McBride is the more efficient receiver and deserves the higher target share.
Last year MHJ had the 23rd most targets in the league, but his yard per route run of 1.68 was 57th in the league. He was a super inefficient player, and if he wasnt a rookie the obvious conclusion would be to reduce his target share. Through his first 2 games this year these numbers havent really changed. Peppering an inefficient WR with targets doesnt make him more efficient, or lead to elite receiving numbers. It would just improve his reputation with the fantasy community (points per reception), while tanking our actual offense. If Marvin starts turning his opportunities (of which there are plenty) into actual yards I guarantee you his opportunities will increase. I'm just as eager for a true MHJ breakout as anyone else.
If you're curious, a real example of an elite WR being held back a lack of opportunity is AJ Brown. Last year Brown had the 39th most targets in the league (97) and 2nd best yards per route run (3.16).
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Hence why I said kick returner and not punt returner.
Wasn't disputing your statement, just adding data. Thought it was interesting that he's pretty good at PR but awful at KR.
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Perfectly reasonable to say that you can't judge the OC when his QB is clearly not capable of running and NFL offense.
It's like judging a chef when you give him some rancid beef to work with.
Maybe Petzing does suck, but impossible to know.
BirdGangThing
Murd Watcher
we can judge the new o-line coach tho - yes?
I just want to throw this out there about the CAR game..
Starting with the int, everything that could have possibly went wrong, went horribly, catastrophically wrong, and yet, we still won.
If this game would have happened in the 90s or the 00s'? Instead of winning, I guarantee you young would have thrown a TD pass with about 8 seconds left to seal the win for them. 100%. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Alls I'm saying is that, while we still suck as a franchise, we're not as bad as we used to be. Not quite. Anyway... just wanted to throw that out there.
Starting with the int, everything that could have possibly went wrong, went horribly, catastrophically wrong, and yet, we still won.
If this game would have happened in the 90s or the 00s'? Instead of winning, I guarantee you young would have thrown a TD pass with about 8 seconds left to seal the win for them. 100%. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Alls I'm saying is that, while we still suck as a franchise, we're not as bad as we used to be. Not quite. Anyway... just wanted to throw that out there.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Historically it wasn’t uncommon to have different kick and point returners. Other than the elite ones who usually did both.
Yer_da_sells_avon
Veteran
Score touchdowns you *****
WisconsinCard
Herfin BIg Time
Im close to being right. Not happy about it. All three were winnable games and here we are 0-2, and 7.5 dogs. Who had that on their bingo card?I need an appointment then please. I'm flying out on Saturday. Then we're driving to PHX for the Thursday night game. Then two weeks later we're heading to Indy for that game. So 0-3 is not of the question.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Wasn’t explicitly calling for tank yet. Must’ve been next game. I’ll check.
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