Cardinals at Niners gameday thread 9-21-25

[Russ Smith]

Oh Michael Floyd. Also ohio state

Floyd was 15 from Notre Dame.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Floyd was 15 from Notre Dame.

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[Chris_Sanders]

I got nothing. At least I own it. Most dont

 

[BritCard]

I don’t even believe Kyler was faultless & am ready to move on, but if you think he was the main problem today then the hatred is strong.

To think otherwise is delusional. Bad QB play is always the main problem. He's the checkdown king. He had a 4.5 YPA. We had 80% of the TOP in the first half and he had a 4 YPA. We had a tonne of the ball and took 13 play drives to move 50 yards. He saps any rhythm out of the team. He kills any plan the OC has because no OC plans for 10 minutes 15 play drives that stall at the 40.

He only unclenches his butt when were up big or down a score+. When the game is in the balance he's so concerned about not making a mistake that he kills us with a 1000 cuts.

Sure, he didn't get help with drops today, but they are cold all game. Mike Wilson ran about 25 routes yesterday and had 1 target. Marv ran about 30 and had 5, maybe 6. I think between them they had 1 target the whole 1st half. And they are getting open, I've shown the film and I will show it again with this game if it's available (this game wasn't on DAZN).

And if anyone think's the WR's aren't good enough then ask how Mac freaking Jones threw for 284 yards with a B team offense.

So yeah, he didn't get a lot of help today, but that wasn't the main issue. Kyler sucks the life from this offense. There's no rhythm. No aggression. No control. And it's not new because it's been the same with every offense for the past 7 seasons.

 

[BritCard]

Murray is just mediocre. Not bad, not good. His supporting cast certainly did him no favors today but he himself left a couple things out there.

He had a 4.5 YPA. He left about 3 yards from every pass attempt out there.

 

[BritCard]

See, the "can't move the ball in a crucial moment" comment doesn't make sense, at least in the context of this game.

A) Down by seven in the 4th, he led the team on TD drive, and on 3rd down, on the run, threw a beautiful TD pass to McBride to tie the game.

B) On 3rd down with 2 minutes left, he stood tall in the pocket and threw a perfect pass to Jones which would have won the game.

Murray actually made several clutch plays today GC88. Several.

Murray is not the problem with this offense.

A) It was a completely basic short pass. He just had to throw it in the area for McBride to go get.

B) Again, a completely normal pass that for all other QB's is a 20th percentile pass.

He also underthrew, overthrew and threw off target a whole bunch of other passes.

I think people here have battered wife syndrome. They are so used to a whole bunch of bad stuff that when he does something just average y'all are like "Look, he's great really". People really need to go watch other QB's more. There's only a handful in the league I wouldn't swap Murray for in a heartbeat.

 

[BritCard]

Those dropped passes would’ve helped us today. I’m not sure what else you want from Murray today. I’ll happily jump on the fudge Murray bandwagon but today is not the day.

More battered wife syndrome. What more he could have done?

He had a 4.5 YPA. That was the worst of any QB this weekend. Even Michael Penix was higher.

Even if you added the drops it would still be sub 5. That's dire. Like 6 is bad. 7 is average. 4.5 is really bad rookie first game in the league territory.

 

[BritCard]

This is sorta fair. I feel there is a big bell curve in that average part. Like today would be slightly worse than average.

I really shouldn't need to say this but 4.5 YPA, 159 yards, 1 TD and an 82 passer rating is not "slightly worse than average".

When the season is over it will rank as a 10th percentile performance.

 

[BritCard]

But... do I think K1 played well enough to win today? On the road against a division foe? Yes. Yes I do Georgia. And I'm going to stick by that.

No. 4.5 YPA, 159 yards and being outplayed by Mac Jones is not good enough to win on the road in San Fran.

For comparison, when we played there with Josh Dobbs against a much, much better Niners teams we scored 16 then too but Dobbs threw for 265 yards and 2 TDs, and ran for another 48. Mike Wilson had 76 yards and 2 TDs.

 

[DVontel]

To think otherwise is delusional. Bad QB play is always the main problem. He's the checkdown king. He had a 4.5 YPA. We had 80% of the TOP in the first half and he had a 4 YPA. We had a tonne of the ball and took 13 play drives to move 50 yards. He saps any rhythm out of the team. He kills any plan the OC has because no OC plans for 10 minutes 15 play drives that stall at the 40.

He only unclenches his butt when were up big or down a score+. When the game is in the balance he's so concerned about not making a mistake that he kills us with a 1000 cuts.

Sure, he didn't get help with drops today, but they are cold all game. Mike Wilson ran about 25 routes yesterday and had 1 target. Marv ran about 30 and had 5, maybe 6. I think between them they had 1 target the whole 1st half. And they are getting open, I've shown the film and I will show it again with this game if it's available (this game wasn't on DAZN).

And if anyone think's the WR's aren't good enough then ask how Mac freaking Jones threw for 284 yards with a B team offense.

So yeah, he didn't get a lot of help today, but that wasn't the main issue. Kyler sucks the life from this offense. There's no rhythm. No aggression. No control. And it's not new because it's been the same with every offense for the past 7 seasons.

I seen you somehow blame the QB when Marv dropped the most wide open pass ever.

I think you’re just too far down in the hole, tbh.

 

[BritCard]

I seen you somehow blame the QB when Marv dropped the most wide open pass ever.

I think you’re just too far down in the hole, tbh.

I'm not sure how "That was a bad drop, but also he shouldn't have had to stop and wait for the ball when he had a free run to the EZ" is blaming the QB.

The drops are superfluous. It's like watching a drunk driver swerve all over the road, know down pedestrians and wreak havoc and complaining that the indicators don't work.

We didn't lose yesterday because of any drops, we lost because of a 4.5 YPA and more poor QB play.

There is no rabbit hole. Bad QB's ruin teams. We have one of those. Until that is fixed nothing else matters.

 

[Proteus]

I'm not sure how "That was a bad drop, but also he shouldn't have had to stop and wait for the ball when he had a free run to the EZ" is blaming the QB.

The drops are superfluous. It's like watching a drunk driver swerve all over the road, know down pedestrians and wreak havoc and complaining that the indicators don't work.

We didn't lose yesterday because of any drops, we lost because of a 4.5 YPA and more poor QB play.

There is no rabbit hole. Bad QB's ruin teams. We have one of those. Until that is fixed nothing else matters.

Murray's YPA would have been higher without the drops though.

 

[DVontel]

but

Probably saying this. Should’ve just left it at “That was a bad drop”.

We didn't lose yesterday because of any drops, we lost because of a 4.5 YPA

Wonder what that YPA looks like if a highly touted WR wasn’t dropping passes? Idk.

There is no rabbit hole. Bad QB's ruin teams. We have one of those.

Highly touted prospects do as well. Looks like we probably have one of those at the WR skill position.


You are killing me refusing to admit Marv has been a massive disappointment, lmao.

 

[BritCard]

Murray's YPA would have been higher without the drops though.

Yeah, it would have been like 4.7. Big whoop.

 

[BritCard]

Probably saying this. Should’ve just left it at “That was a bad drop”.

Wonder what that YPA looks like if a highly touted WR wasn’t dropping passes? Idk.

Highly touted prospects do as well. Looks like we probably have one of those at the WR skill position.


You are killing me refusing to admit Marv has been a massive disappointment, lmao.

ALL QB's have drops. Saying "What would his YPA look like without the drops" is pointless. But for the record, it would still have been really bad.

Marv has been a massive disappointment, never said otherwise. I also don't blame Marv. His QB sucks. I honestly have no real concerns about Marv. Marv will be fine when he gets an actual QB.

 

[DVontel]

I also don't blame Marv

You are funny as hell.

when he gets an actual QB.

You still going to blame the actual QB when the drops continue?

 

[DVontel]

My man said he don’t blame Marv for Marv dropping passes that D3 players would catch. He is funny as hell.

 

[BritCard]

My man said he don’t blame Marv for Marv dropping passes that D3 players would catch. He is funny as hell.

All WR's have drops. You're making a huge deal of Marv's because he doesn't have the production to make you shrug them off. That's because his QB sucks.

You really are making a huge deal out of a small sample, that I agree were bad drops, but which don't overly concern me.

 

[DVontel]

All WR's have drops

Dude, stop saying this. I could actually understand this if he was AJ Brown or Mike Evans, aka a player that has already shown enough in this league, but this is still a young cat with a lot to prove in this league.

You're making a huge deal

Everyone should be making it a huge deal when he was the top 5 pick in the draft.

That's because his QB sucks.

Garrett Wilson’s QBs sucks.
Malik Nabers’ QB sucks.
Tet McMillan’s QB sucks.
Rome Odunze’s QBs sucks.

ALL still outplaying Marv. Excuses, excuses.

You really are making a huge deal out of a small sample, that I agree were bad drops, but which don't overly concern me.

Take a long look in the mirror because the people you argue with nonstop about Kyler(602 & DaHilg), but you do it with Marv.

 

[Phrazbit]

Given some retrospection and I don’t wanna be dramatic…

But that’s the worst Cardinals loss we’ve seen in several years. Moral defeats, long-term defeat short-term defeat… really covered every base.

Marvin looks bad, Connor is toast, the coaching staff gave the game away… just awful everywhere.

The only nice thing I can say is outside of that final drive, the defense looked good.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Yes throw the ball to guys who can catch it

Oh this didn't age well.

Sorry I was at the game so just getting through the game day thread.

 

[football karma]

of all the issues with this team -- i would put the following higher than Qb play:

1. Total lack of running game. 11 carries for 18 yards in the first half wont do it. At least four 3rd and short handoffs that were stuffed or lost yards -- which lead to a critical 3rd and 1 late where they decided to pass to no avail. Not sure what happened to Evan Brown, and, I think the Isiah Adams experiment has to end the moment Will H is ready.

2. A coaching philosophy that is so conservative. They seem to feel very comfortable in +/- one score situations and play offense not to lose. I find it instructive the moment they went down by a TD late -- suddenly deeper throws started happening and a 90 sec TD happened.

3. When protecting a lead, a defense that gives up 8-12 yard throws between the hashes seemingly whenever the QB wants it. Rattler, Young and now Jones feasted on that throw. I will throw in a pass rush that gets close, but cant finish late.

4. Back to OC -- it seems the offense is predicated on running the ball well, and when it cant -- Drew has no answers.

Meta Observation: Monti pursued FA and offseason as if he was confident certain young players would take the next step: MHJ, Wilson, Isiah Adams, etc. It doesn't look like they have and there is no backup plan.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oh this didn't age well.

Sorry I was at the game so just getting through the game day thread.

Yeah turns out Jones can't catch either!

 

[TheCardFan]

We don't know how to close out games with a killer instinct.

Kyler doesn't have the clutch gene. Edit: not putting this loss on Kyler but its a fact.

Same story different year.

Defense has played their asses off though.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

A) It was a completely basic short pass. He just had to throw it in the area for McBride to go get.

B) Again, a completely normal pass that for all other QB's is a 20th percentile pass.

He also underthrew, overthrew and threw off target a whole bunch of other passes.

I think people here have battered wife syndrome. They are so used to a whole bunch of bad stuff that when he does something just average y'all are like "Look, he's great really". People really need to go watch other QB's more. There's only a handful in the league I wouldn't swap Murray for in a heartbeat.

1000%. We all qualify for the Ronald McDonald shelter based on the abuse Kyler/petzing put us through every week. Brit your venom makes me feel that much better- well said