The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[Dback Jon]

The Steelers haven't had a losing season with Mike Tomlin as their head coach so far. That's 18 seasons in a row (2006 to 2024) and they're likely to finish with a .500+ record this season as well (they're currently 6-4).

JG is heading for his third losing season in 3 seasons as the Cards' head coach. If the Cards keep JG as head coach for next season, they're probably gonna have a losing record if Brissett or a rookie quarterback is their starting quarterback (I'm assuming the Cards move on from Murray in the off-season). How many seasons are people supposed to wait for their head coach to finally have a .500+ season (let alone make the playoffs)?

It should be noted that JG's record without Murray is worse than his record with Murray.

Tomlin also hasn’t won a playoff game since the 2016 season

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Tomlin also hasn’t won a playoff game since the 2016 season

same as us?

 

[Dback Jon]

same as us?

Our last win came after the 2015 season so he’s one better.

But just goes to show that stability in coaches doesn’t necessarily get you playoff wins either

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So you would compare JG and co with Tomlin, Cowher, and Noll? I certainly wouldn't.

Not at all, but there is something to sticking with a coach for longer than three seasons. Imagine if after any rough three-year stretch the Steelers had just dumped any of those coaches. They may have never experienced the success they did. Each of those coaches won at least one Super Bowl.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not at all, but there is something to sticking with a coach for longer than three seasons. Imagine if after any rough three-year stretch the Steelers had just dumped any of those coaches. They may have never experienced the success they did. Each of those coaches won at least one Super Bowl.

You realize why the Steelers stuck with those coaches through tough times, right? It’s because each one of them showed an ability at some level at actually achieve success in the first place.

Noll took over an awful team with a revolving door at HC and turned the team from 1-13 in his first year to 11-3 and a playoff win in his 3rd.

Cowher took over a team that had missed the playoffs 6 of 7 years, including the year before he got there and then immediately in his FIRST YEAR went 11-5, then went 9-7 and then 11-5 in his 3rd year.

Tomlin won a Super Bowl in his second year.

It’s not like they just got extra rope during bumpy times for “continuity” or whatever other crap Gannon backers are selling. They got job security and more time BECAUSE THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL WINNING COACHES and had earned the benefit of the doubt.

Continuity for continuity sake makes no sense when the current regime CONTINUALLY SUCKS and have never shown any level of success in three years despite a buttload of picks and cap room AND three years, which is more than enough for ANY franchise to at least show SOME level of success.

All Gannon’s done in 3 years is actually sew more doubt that he’s the guy. We are in year 3 of a rebuild and arguably just as bad or possibly worse than when we started it, evidenced by beyond pathetic losses to a winless Titans team, another where we we down 35-0 in the 2nd quarter and a third where we were down 41-15 the next week… and who knows how much worse the season gets.

 

[Stout]

You realize why the Steelers stuck with those coaches through tough times, right? It’s because each one of them showed an ability at some level at actually achieve success in the first place.

Noll took over an awful team with a revolving door at HC and turned the team from 1-13 in his first year to 11-3 and a playoff win in his 3rd.

Cowher took over a team that had missed the playoffs 6 of 7 years, including the year before he got there and then immediately in his FIRST YEAR went 11-5, then went 9-7 and then 11-5 in his 3rd year.

Tomlin won a Super Bowl in his second year.

It’s not like they just got extra rope during bumpy times for “continuity” or whatever other crap Gannon backers are selling. They got job security and more time BECAUSE THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL WINNING COACHES and had earned the benefit of the doubt.

Continuity for continuity sake makes no sense when the current regime CONTINUALLY SUCKS and have never shown any level of success in three years despite a buttload of picks and cap room AND three years, which is more than enough for ANY franchise to at least show SOME level of success.

All Gannon’s done in 3 years is actually sew more doubt that he’s the guy. We are in year 3 of a rebuild and arguably just as bad or possibly worse than when we started it, evidenced by beyond pathetic losses to a winless Titans team, another where we we down 35-0 in the 2nd quarter and a third where we were down 41-15 the next week… and who knows how much worse the season gets.

Yeah, that.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Michigan State University basketball has had two coaches in 50 years. Pittsburgh Steelers have had three coaches since 1969. Two very successful programs. All those coaches have had poor seasons.

That is extreme, but today’s sports fans demand immediate success, and maybe some patience would allow coaches to build a team.

You guys keep preaching continuity as a concept - it's a great concept if the people in charge actually know what they're doing! When they've proven they don't, you don't double down! You find someone who can actually do the job!!!

 

[Chopper0080]

After three years, is there any phase of the game the team does well?

No. That is one of the many problems.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

No. That is one of the many problems.

That is really sad for us fans to have to endure even more losing

When is it going to end and we can have multiple winning seasons?

 

[Dayman]

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Our D has the 10th largest cap hit in the league while ranking 25th in points allowed.

 

[Mulli]

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Our D has the 10th largest cap hit in the league while ranking 25th in points allowed.

The safeties have yet earn what they are paid

 

[Cheesebeef]

Michigan State University basketball has had two coaches in 50 years. Pittsburgh Steelers have had three coaches since 1969. Two very successful programs. All those coaches have had poor seasons.

That is extreme, but today’s sports fans demand immediate success, and maybe some patience would allow coaches to build a team.

Asking for a shred of success after three years just isn’t considered out of the norm. And while, yes, all the coaches you mentioned did have poor seasons, ALL Gannon has had are poor seasons… period. Those guys all had track records of success that bought them the patience from owners/fans that could right the ship. After three years of “building” the ship is sinking. That’s just a huge difference.

 

[Dback Jon]

Asking for a shred of success after three years just isn’t considered out of the norm. While yes, all the coaches you mentioned had poor seasons ALL Gannon has had have been poor seasons… period. Those guys all had track records of success that bought them the patience from owners/fans that could right the ship. After three years of “building” the ship is sinking. That’s just a huge difference.

Yes, in both instances every single coach mentioned one either a national championship or two or won Super Bowls

 

[Phrazbit]

Trading out of that Will Anderson pick is just so colossally awful.

If you have a blue chip guy staring you in the face, don't pass it up...

I know there are many who still think PJJ was the right move because they feel a tackle is worth more than a pass rusher, but... good lord, I cannot imagine anyone would go into a matchup against this Texans defense and say to themselves "They've got a scary pass rush, but, it's okay... we've got PJJ!"

 

[DVontel]

Trading out of that Will Anderson pick is just so colossally awful.

If you have a blue chip guy staring you in the face, don't pass it up...

I know there are many who still think PJJ was the right move because they feel a tackle is worth more than a pass rusher, but... good lord, I cannot imagine anyone would go into a matchup against this Texans defense and say to themselves "They've got a scary pass rush, but, it's okay... we've got PJJ!"

“Colossally awful” is a stretch. Meh? Sure.

PJJ has shown to be a very good/borderline great LT. LT is still a premium position. It just sucks cause we missed on the DRob pick.

Colossally awful would be missing on the PJJ pick.

 

[DVontel]

Also, I REALLY love Will Anderson, don’t get me wrong, & I probably wouldn’t have made that trade when it happened

But

He also had another fantastic EDGE on the opposite side while having a top 3 CB & a really good safety behind him. Great DC mind in DeMeco as well. Anderson’s presence makes their lives easier? Yes, but their presence also helps as well.

None of that is promised here had we drafted Will.

 

[kerouac9]

Also, I REALLY love Will Anderson, don’t get me wrong, & I probably wouldn’t have made that trade when it happened

But

He also had another fantastic EDGE on the opposite side while having a top 3 CB & a really good safety behind him. Great DC mind in DeMeco as well. Anderson’s presence makes their lives easier? Yes, but their presence also helps as well.

None of that is promised here had we drafted Will.

Okay maybe he’s not a DPoY candidate in year 3 but it doesn’t really change the fact that even if Paris is the best LT in the game our offense is still butt and boring.

The marginal value of an A LT over a B+ player at the position just isn’t that great at the team level. Especially when you’re planning a 2TE offense.

 

[DVontel]

Okay maybe he’s not a DPoY candidate in year 3 but it doesn’t really change the fact that even if Paris is the best LT in the game our offense is still butt and boring.

The marginal value of an A LT over a B+ player at the position just isn’t that great at the team level. Especially when you’re planning a 2TE offense.

Confused if you’re arguing against me or not. First sentence I said I probably wouldn’t have made that trade when it happened.

 

[Chopper0080]

“Colossally awful” is a stretch. Meh? Sure.

PJJ has shown to be a very good/borderline great LT. LT is still a premium position. It just sucks cause we missed on the DRob pick.

Colossally awful would be missing on the PJJ pick.

Yes. A good point was made by someone (now I can't find it) but the reason a rush EDGE or DT outvalues a LT is because of the group nature of an OL. A great LT is undermined more by a poor unit than a great EDGE or DL pass rusher (imo). That said, I agree it is minimal.

A sad truth in regards to DRob is that only 3 players drafted after him have 5 or more sacks for their career. It is beginning to look like that draft class was a lot of buns in general. Especially after round 1.

 

[Chopper0080]

Also, when you have a really good QB, a LT is less important. If you are going to try to develop a young QB, it becomes critically important. Kinda like a run game.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Trading out of that Will Anderson pick is just so colossally awful.

If you have a blue chip guy staring you in the face, don't pass it up...

I know there are many who still think PJJ was the right move because they feel a tackle is worth more than a pass rusher, but... good lord, I cannot imagine anyone would go into a matchup against this Texans defense and say to themselves "They've got a scary pass rush, but, it's okay... we've got PJJ!"

All I could think about while watching TNF last night was what a nightmare Anderson is to play against. You couldn't help but notice what a difference maker he is out there. Paris is a nice safe pick, but when you're in the usually unfortunate position of picking in the top 5, you need a star.

Trying to be the smartest guy in the room vs. taking the obvious choice was a mistake.

 

[DaHilg]

Also, when you have a really good QB, a LT is less important. If you are going to try to develop a young QB, it becomes critically important. Kinda like a run game.

Disagree.. hence why LT is the most expensive player on the Oline (even for those really good QBs)…

 

[kerouac9]

Confused if you’re arguing against me or not. First sentence I said I probably wouldn’t have made that trade when it happened.

Just continuing the conversation. I don’t think LT is in the same tier of priority as Edge because you can be arguably the best player to ever play the position like Joe Thomas and your team only has one winning season in your 10 year career.

Who’s the best pass rusher or wide receiver never to make the playoffs?

 

[kerouac9]

Disagree.. hence why LT is the most expensive player on the Oline (even for those really good QBs)…

Yes but he’s rarely the most expensive player on the offense/on a good offense

 

[DVontel]

Who’s the best pass rusher or wide receiver never to make the playoffs?

Never is tough, but Myles Garrett has only made it once.

Never for WR is Brandon Marshall.