Obtainable Point Guards this off-season

[JCSunsfan]

Just want to start this discussion in a fresh thread. We have a roster need, we have to fill it somehow.

Draft
Darius Garland
Coby White
These two are the only pg's in the draft that are potential starters, and even then, they are not likely starters.

Trade
Jrue Holliday. He is likely available. It will take a lot to trade for him, but we could get him.
Lonzo Ball. Looks like the Lakers are considering pg's in the draft. I think they are moving on from him.
Mike Conley. With Ja on board, the Grizz will likely move him if they can. He has a huge contract and is an old 31.
Reggie Jackson might be on the trade block, but I do not see him as any real answer

Free Agency
I don't think Kyrie, Kemba, Brogdon or Russell are obtainable--Kyrie and Kemba because they will want contenders or stay home with a big pay off and the other two because they are restricted and any offer will matched.

Dragic. We could get him, but his game is in decline. After we fired Igor, he might not come.
Derrick Rose. We could sign him. It should not be excessive with his injury history.
Elfrid Payton. We could sign him, but I think the Pels will keep him.
Patrick Beverly. Obtainable but too old for our core IMO.
Darren Collison. Maybe. I think the Pacers will try to keep him with the loss of Tyreke.
Rondo. Just no.
Rubio. Not enough of an offensive threat. Loved Igor. Do not see a chance now.
TJ McConnell. Could probably get him. I do not see his overall impact any greater than Tyler. Same with Lin, Cory Joseph, Teague and Mudiay.
Ish Smith might actually be an interesting choice. He is a good player.

Can anyone else think of any other realistic options?

 

[JerkFace]

Just want to start this discussion in a fresh thread. We have a roster need, we have to fill it somehow.

Draft
Darius Garland
Coby White
These two are the only pg's in the draft that are potential starters, and even then, they are not likely starters.

Trade
Jrue Holliday. He is likely available. It will take a lot to trade for him, but we could get him.
Lonzo Ball. Looks like the Lakers are considering pg's in the draft. I think they are moving on from him.
Mike Conley. With Ja on board, the Grizz will likely move him if they can. He has a huge contract and is an old 31.
Reggie Jackson might be on the trade block, but I do not see him as any real answer

Free Agency
I don't think Kyrie, Kemba, Brogdon or Russell are obtainable--Kyrie and Kemba because they will want contenders or stay home with a big pay off and the other two because they are restricted and any offer will matched.

Dragic. We could get him, but his game is in decline. After we fired Igor, he might not come.
Derrick Rose. We could sign him. It should not be excessive with his injury history.
Elfrid Payton. We could sign him, but I think the Pels will keep him.
Patrick Beverly. Obtainable but too old for our core IMO.
Darren Collison. Maybe. I think the Pacers will try to keep him with the loss of Tyreke.
Rondo. Just no.
Rubio. Not enough of an offensive threat. Loved Igor. Do not see a chance now.
TJ McConnell. Could probably get him. I do not see his overall impact any greater than Tyler. Same with Lin, Cory Joseph, Teague and Mudiay.
Ish Smith might actually be an interesting choice. He is a good player.

Can anyone else think of any other realistic options?

If Leonard leaves Toronto they may make Lowry available.

 

[SirStefan32]

The only "big name" I would go after is Holiday. He is hands down the best tag-team partner for Booker. He is the best defensive PG in the league, and he is a good scorer, shooter, and distributor. Collison would be my backup plan. He is a good defender, competent scorer, and pretty good distributor. I would be OK with him and TJ sharing point guard duties.

 

[1Sun]

Just want to start this discussion in a fresh thread. We have a roster need, we have to fill it somehow.

Draft
Darius Garland
Coby White
These two are the only pg's in the draft that are potential starters, and even then, they are not likely starters.

Trade
Jrue Holliday. He is likely available. It will take a lot to trade for him, but we could get him.
Lonzo Ball. Looks like the Lakers are considering pg's in the draft. I think they are moving on from him.
Mike Conley. With Ja on board, the Grizz will likely move him if they can. He has a huge contract and is an old 31.
Reggie Jackson might be on the trade block, but I do not see him as any real answer

Free Agency
I don't think Kyrie, Kemba, Brogdon or Russell are obtainable--Kyrie and Kemba because they will want contenders or stay home with a big pay off and the other two because they are restricted and any offer will matched.

Dragic. We could get him, but his game is in decline. After we fired Igor, he might not come.
Derrick Rose. We could sign him. It should not be excessive with his injury history.
Elfrid Payton. We could sign him, but I think the Pels will keep him.
Patrick Beverly. Obtainable but too old for our core IMO.
Darren Collison. Maybe. I think the Pacers will try to keep him with the loss of Tyreke.
Rondo. Just no.
Rubio. Not enough of an offensive threat. Loved Igor. Do not see a chance now.
TJ McConnell. Could probably get him. I do not see his overall impact any greater than Tyler. Same with Lin, Cory Joseph, Teague and Mudiay.
Ish Smith might actually be an interesting choice. He is a good player.

Can anyone else think of any other realistic options?

Of those, in terms of starter for next year, I like Holiday, Conley, Jackson, Rose, Beverly, Collison and Teague.

I still think we have a shot at Russell if the Nets get Irving or Walker. After that, my top choices are Holliday, Collison, Teague and Conley, in that order.

Heck no to Dragic (decline, baggage, Igor ties, etc.), Rubio (one year wonder who can't shoot), Ball (for the several reasons I have stated previously), McConnell (back-up material who really isn't any better than Okobo) and Ish Smith (third string material who really isn't any better than Canaan or Shaq Harrison). I could be convinced on any of the rest.

I would check in on Spencer Dinwiddie, Kris Dunn, J.J. Barea, Quinn Cook, George Hill, Tyus Jones, D.J. Augustin, and Dejounte Murray, as other possibilities.

 

[devilalum]

One year ago we were having the same discussion. Everybody that even casually watches the NBA knew the Suns desperately needed a PG and here we are.


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[overseascardfan]

I think realistic options are Lonzo for #6 pick if LA gets Garland or Russell if Brooklyn lands either Kemba or Kyrie.

Conley and Lowry would be stopgaps, Lowry more desirable because he'll be an expiring contract and is the healthier of the two.

Heard Gambo & Tim Ring Friday mention that Holliday may no longer be available now that NO will get Zion and AD might now want to stay in NO.

Rubio, Teague & Rose would be upgrades only in that they have experience over what we have now.

Maybe PHX can find their Brogdon in the second round in someone like Ty Jerome or Jaylen Hands. Jerome had a really good tournament and Hands could be a nice scoring combo guard PHX may want to pair with Booker.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think realistic options are Lonzo for #6 pick if LA gets Garland or Russell if Brooklyn lands either Kemba or Kyrie.

Conley and Lowry would be stopgaps, Lowry more desirable because he'll be an expiring contract and is the healthier of the two.

Heard Gambo & Tim Ring Friday mention that Holliday may no longer be available now that NO will get Zion and AD might now want to stay in NO.

Rubio, Teague & Rose would be upgrades only in that they have experience over what we have now.

Maybe PHX can find their Brogdon in the second round in someone like Ty Jerome or Jaylen Hands. Jerome had a really good tournament and Hands could be a nice scoring combo guard PHX may want to pair with Booker.

ESPN and all the talking heads there are still saying that both AD and Jrue still want out. That is the latest word. They say Griffin is trying to drum up hope to drum up trade value.

 

[GatorAZ]

Dave Griffin would be an idiot to trade Jrue regardless of AD. You can’t abandon Zion of a borderline All Star caliber guard.

 

[Hoop Head]

If we can acquired one of the following PG's through free agency or trade then I'm fine with Melton and Tyler Johnson as backups, either Collison, Russell, Brogdon, Teague, or Dinwiddie with a possibility of Tyus Jones.

Dinwiddie and Teague are under contract for next year but a rich enough offer to Russell may make Dinwiddie available. I think Brooklyn would sooner match Russell and move Dinwiddie than lose Russell because they don't want to match. Teague should be available for less than guys like Holiday or Conley. I think Tyler Johnson and the Bucks pick might even work, especially if we included their choice of Melton or Okobo.

If we can't land one of those guys then I'd try to acquire any 2 of Beverly, Corey Joseph, Ish Smith, Elfrid Payton, Trey Burke, Jeremy Lin, and JJ Barea. These guys should be cheap, so signing 2 shouldn't cost much. Having 2 would provide us with more stability at PG and make the idea of starting 1 easier to handle since we have another PG close to their level as their backup.

Tyus Jones may be available as a steal. He may be restricted, his qualifying offer is $3.5 million and Minnesota is capped out and not far from the luxury tax. If they can't unload Teague somehow then they might have to let Jones walk, especially if they decide to bring back Rose and Gibson. They have $110 million in salaries already spoken for and that puts them about $10 million from the tax line. Will they want to rule out using their midlevel exception and let Rose and Gibson walk so they can bring back Jones? I don't think so. I'm a little surprised no one else has mentioned him as an option. I know being restricted is usually a bad sign but in his case I would say there's a better than 50/50 chance the Wolves don't extend the qualifying offer, making him unrestricted. If he's unrestricted then he's the first PG I call, offering 4 years and $18-20 million. If he can't become a good starter then you have a backup locked in on a very reasonable salary for 4 years.

 

[hcsilla]

McConnell (back-up material who really isn't any better than Okobo) and Ish Smith (third string material who really isn't any better than Canaan or Shaq Harrison).

It is not a high bar to jump over but McConnel is obviously a better PG than Okobo and so is Ish Smith compared to Harrison or Canaan.

 

[hcsilla]

Maybe PHX can find their Brogdon in the second round in someone like Ty Jerome or Jaylen Hands. Jerome had a really good tournament and Hands could be a nice scoring combo guard PHX may want to pair with Booker.

Both seem to be smart and reasonable options to pair with Booker although both have Kendall Marshall-esque athleticism. I especially like Jerome, I would take him with our 2nd rounder without any hesitation.

The best option of combo G's having this profile would be Nickeil Alexander-Walker, IMO, but to draft him the Suns would need to have at least a mid 1st rounder.

 

[Finito]

I honestly see Lonzo Ball in our future. Good or bad I think it’s going to be him. We got young players and some assets to be a third team in a big trade

 

[Carolinacacti]

I'd rather just keep Bridges and Booker as the back court. No to Ball

 

[Finito]

I'd rather just keep Bridges and Booker as the back court. No to Ball

No. Booker needs to be at 2 let him do what he does best. We need a legit PG a player that can make a basic entry pass for God’s sake.

They can’t go into this year not addressing the PG situation

 

[az jam]

What about the Celtic's Terry Rozier? He is an RFA.

 

[leclerc]

I think I'm more okay with a stopgap that's proven and experienced (Conley, Rubio, Lowry) than an unproven bench player (Dinwiddie, Rozier, Brogdon) that fit the timeline. I don't think we'll get the missing piece at PF or PG now, so just plug an actual NBA player with experience to let the young core grow and mature. Surely we must get better than the couple of previous years. This year we absolutely must start building a foundation and some consistency. I'm so sick with losing. Get the young core focused and together. I think resigning Oubre and freeing up minutes by trading TJ Warren is key. Getting an NBA point guard is even more important.

Edit: Hard NO! to Ball (can't shoot) and headcases like Rose, Kyrie, Rondo.

 

[Finito]

What about the Celtic's Terry Rozier? He is an RFA.

No thanks super small sample size and he wants to get paid like he’s a star

 

[Western Font]

Zach Lowe and Kevin Arnovitz were talking about how Griffin feels the Pelicans can turn the AD situation into a Paul George situation where he stays. We'll see about that, but that scenario had both AD and Holliday staying. They also talked about Lowry becoming an interesting trade piece if Leonard decides to leave, and mentioned the Suns specifically. Their take on his value was more for veteran leadership and showing the younger players how things are done. Lowry is fine but he is more a longtime presence in Toronto rather than the key to their improvement in recent years.

 

[Phrazbit]

I honestly see Lonzo Ball in our future. Good or bad I think it’s going to be him. We got young players and some assets to be a third team in a big trade

No. Ball can't score, from anywhere. He can't shoot from inside, he can't finish outside, he even sucks at free throws. Yeah, he is solid on defense and he can feed in transition, but he is absolutely trash in what most teams look for in modern point guards. I wouldn't give up "assets" for a limited player who I also expect to be a cancer by proxy (meaning, the drama around him is cancerous).

What about the Celtic's Terry Rozier? He is an RFA.

No. A hard NO... outside of a couple months over a year ago the dude has looked like trash, and he also comes off as a raging douchebag. He wants, at least, 12 mil a year... given his play and attitude, I don't think I'd take him for free.

 

[1Sun]

No. Ball can't score, from anywhere. He can't shoot from inside, he can't finish outside, he even sucks at free throws. Yeah, he is solid on defense and he can feed in transition, but he is absolutely trash in what most teams look for in modern point guards. I wouldn't give up "assets" for a limited player who I also expect to be a cancer by proxy (meaning, the drama around him is cancerous).



No. A hard NO... outside of a couple months over a year ago the dude has looked like trash, and he also comes off as a raging douchebag. He wants, at least, 12 mil a year... given his play and attitude, I don't think I'd take him for free.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What about the Celtic's Terry Rozier? He is an RFA.

NOOOOOOO

 

[Yuma]

Rozier looked bad in the games I watched this year. He is living off a good playoff appearance two playoffs ago. This year he didn't help much.

 

[Yuma]

Dave Griffin would be an idiot to trade Jrue regardless of AD. You can’t abandon Zion of a borderline All Star caliber guard.

I know those guys want out. Still, Griffin should get those two and their agents in a meeting, outline Zion being added and any trade or free agent options if they both stay. Arguably, they would have a nice big three. Plus if they could add another piece or two. ESPN did a documentary on Zion's hometown and his relationship. New Orleans is a great place for him. Zion is a small town guy, and I could see New Orleans being a good place for him. New York or LA would have been too much.

 

[BC867]

I'd rather just keep Bridges and Booker as the back court. No to Ball

How much has Bridges played in the backcourt?

And who would be the Shooting Guard? Certainly not Bridges. Thus far he is a defensive specialist at the wing.

 

[1Sun]

How much has Bridges played in the backcourt?

And who would be the Shooting Guard? Certainly not Bridges. Thus far he is a defensive specialist at the wing.

Bridges started at shooting guard when Booker was out. But I agree that we need a point guard, or at least a combo guard who is more of a point guard than Booker, next to Booker.