Cardinals at Vikings gameday thread 12-1-24

[Russ Smith]

I’ll try a different tack on this game, I’m stunned we were the better team at minney today.

Nice effort Cards, you made me proud yet again!

Good point we dominated, But we lost and that hurts

 

[Lambeau]

Good point we dominated, But we lost and that hurts

We’re very sorry. I was hoping the outcome would have been much different.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

OK but the point is they would have to drive further if you go and don't get it. A FG won't beat you only a TD. They only had to go 70 yards instead of say 96 if we go and don't get it.

I just got my power back so I haven't had time to look but I think the expected win % or whatever it's called is about 25% higher if we go for it than if we kick the FG. A friend of mine is a Vikings fan, she watched the first half got home, saw the score and then watched the 2nd half and first thing she messaged me was why the hell did you kick the FG that was not very good math.

Even if we throw the ball on 4th down and it's incomplete, we still use a few seconds and they get the ball at the 4, not the 30

But they don’t have to go 96 for a fg. It’s easier to tie the game and at that point, away from home, with all momentum against you, the cards likely lose in OT.

 

[Dback Jon]

Agreed. Petzig seemed to stick to his gameplan all game. Generated 6 scoring opportunities. Tough to argue with that. Can grouse about going too conservative in red zone, but that’s also who he is and maybe he doesn’t trust kyler enough to do more.

So he trusted Kyle to do it in the first half of the season when we were scoring touchdowns but now all of a sudden he doesn’t?

So either Putzis an idiot that needs to be fired or Gannon is forcing changes.

 

[BritCard]

This was the flag on Tipp where we ended up 3rd and 4 at the end of the game

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[Russ Smith]

But they don’t have to go 96 for a fg. It’s easier to tie the game and at that point, away from home, with all momentum against you, the cards likely lose in OT.

I guess we will just disagree. To me the extra 25 plus yards they have to go if we don't make it are worth me risking going to OT if they kick a FG. Because if they kick a FG they probably went the 70 yards they had to go for the game winning TD.

It's not like a omg you can't do that decision, there are other coaches who would have done the same thing, and Kyler defended the decision too. The crazy thing is that was a bad snap we were very lucky Gilligan handled it and we made the kick.

To me I'm more afraid of them doing what they did because we're only up 6, than going to OT.

The BIG mistake was not going for 2 earlier of course

 

[Russ Smith]

This was the flag on Tipp where we ended up 3rd and 4 at the end of the game

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A Viking fan friend of mine insists someone on the right side of our OL moved first and you can't see it in the video. I can't check if she's right or not but my response was well the refs called it on 87 and the official play by play says it was on him, so going off what they said do you agree the Viking player was in the neutral zone and she said yes.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So he trusted Kyle to do it in the first half of the season when we were scoring touchdowns but now all of a sudden he doesn’t?

So either Putzis an idiot that needs to be fired or Gannon is forcing changes.

I got no answers. Just throwing thoughts out there. Also, was he really more aggressive early in the season or was his conservative playcalling just beating fruit so no one noticed how conservative it was. See demercados 50 yard gallop on a draw with time running down before halftime a few games ago. Super conservative play call that resulted in a TD.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I guess we will just disagree. To me the extra 25 plus yards they have to go if we don't make it are worth me risking going to OT if they kick a FG. Because if they kick a FG they probably went the 70 yards they had to go for the game winning TD.

It's not like a omg you can't do that decision, there are other coaches who would have done the same thing, and Kyler defended the decision too. The crazy thing is that was a bad snap we were very lucky Gilligan handled it and we made the kick.

To me I'm more afraid of them doing what they did because we're only up 6, than going to OT.

The BIG mistake was not going for 2 earlier of course

I think where I disagree with you most is your conflating going 70 yards for a TD and going 62 yards for a FG. First it’s 8 fewer yards and more importantly a 50 yard FG is much easier than actually punching in a TD.

We’ll just disagree.

 

[SoonerLou]

Not even 20/20

We should have called the timeout after the sack.

Last timeout doesn't mean as much if we could spike it. Rather save the 40 seconds.

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[Minski]

Not so pew pew pew shots then huh. More like pew pew pew shots in our own foot

 

[Adrian]

Theo Mackie

@theo_mackie

Garrett Williams when targeted yesterday: One reception for four yards.He's now PFF's sixth highest graded starting CB in coverage.

 

[ajcardfan]

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I was bitching about that big time. Really, a day later IMO, it's the conservative coaching that is worst part of that. This mistake, not going for 2, not going for the TD on 4th..... damn. It's a harsh damn lesson to learn but I hope Gannon has learned it. The guy hangs on to TOs like we get points for not using them. He's the opposite of Kliff in that sense, and both extremes can hurt you.

 

[Adrian]

Theo Mackie

@theo_mackie
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After a mixed performance in his first game back, Jonah Williams allowed just one pressure on 50 opportunities yesterday

 

[602 Native]

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Totally pathetic.

Fire Petzing

 

[some dumb guy]

poo fudge cocksuckers wuss ass conservative freaking offense!
Fire that wuss ass fudge nugget petzing. That freaking candy ass bitch

oaken 1 apparently so sad
at the 4th quarter play that was oh so bad
he said with a grin as he wiped off his chin
at least I'm not from Nantucket

wait, I don't think that's right LOL

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I was bitching about that big time. Really, a day later IMO, it's the conservative coaching that is worst part of that. This mistake, not going for 2, not going for the TD on 4th..... damn. It's a harsh damn lesson to learn but I hope Gannon has learned it. The guy hangs on to TOs like we get points for not using them. He's the opposite of Kliff in that sense, and both extremes can hurt you.

To be fair to his TO management, we did have the ball with over a minute left and all three timeouts. If we could have moved the ball at all those timeouts would have been huge in getting in position for a FG.

 

[Hoodhero]

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They needed 12 plays and everyone of those timeouts to eventually get FG. Longest play on that drive was only 14 yards smh.

 

[ajcardfan]

To be fair to his TO management, we did have the ball with over a minute left and all three timeouts. If we could have moved the ball at all those timeouts would have been huge in getting in position for a FG.

I guess, but I would take 1:42 and two TOs over 1:03 and 3 timeouts. Better yet, don't get sacked and tackled in bounds.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I guess, but I would take 1:42 and two TOs over 1:03 and 3 timeouts. Better yet, don't get sacked and tackled in bounds.

I mean it's not really an either or. Maybe they chew up more clock with more plays if we call a TO there. For that matter, maybe they never score a TD if we use a TO there (who really knows). The end result of over a minute and 3 timeouts is a good situation even if it's possible we could have had a somewhat better situation.

 

[GatorAZ]

Not sure how anyone can say with a straight face they liked our chances to score a TD in that situation. The offense stinks when the field is shrunk unless it’s on the one yard line and Kyler is allergic to McBride in the endzone. Gannon took the points and trusted the defense but the defense choked. Simple as that. Just as many teams lose not taking easy points as they win taking the easy points.

 

[BritCard]

Totally pathetic.

Fire Petzing

This is nothing to do with Petzing. Petzing don't call timeouts.

 

[BritCard]

Not sure how anyone can say with a straight face they liked our chances to score a TD in that situation. The offense stinks when the field is shrunk unless it’s on the one yard line and Kyler is allergic to McBride in the endzone. Gannon took the points and trusted the defense but the defense choked. Simple as that. Just as many teams lose not taking easy points as they win taking the easy points.

Yup, the FG put then right where it was supposed to, 4th and 7 without a FG option. That's exactly while you kick the FG, but the defense let them make the conversion.

We stop them there, it's game over and everyone says kicking the 3 was the right call.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Yup, the FG put then right where it was supposed to, 4th and 7 without a FG option. That's exactly while you kick the FG, but the defense let them make the conversion.

We stop them there, it's game over and everyone says kicking the 3 was the right call.

We lost that game by the narrowest of margins. Up by three, we had 1st and 10 on about their 20 yard line with 4 minutes left or whatever.

A lot of things had to go wrong for us to end up losing that one, including getting screwed by the officials. ****.

@BritCard - you've really backed off of Murray over the last several weeks. Even in this two game stretch where he hasn't played great. This, after being one of his primary detractors over the past two years.

I'm not complaining. I appreciate it in fact. But I am curious as to why. May I ask if it's because you think overall K1 is playing well?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yup, the FG put then right where it was supposed to, 4th and 7 without a FG option. That's exactly while you kick the FG, but the defense let them make the conversion.

We stop them there, it's game over and everyone says kicking the 3 was the right call.

And they were literally a half step from getting the stop with the passrush. Darnold gets hit right after he releases the ball to convert the fourth down.