The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

this presumes a GM can sign any UFA they want. I dont think thats true as the player gets a vote there.

the error was letting Allen get to UFA. You just cant let players you want to keep get there as it is then out of your control

It presumes nothing. They CAN sign any UFA they want. The rules literally allow it. Hence the “U” in “UFA.” It’s whether they’re capable of convincing them or not that’s part of the equation of what makes them a bad-mediocre-good-great GM. The presumption is that they canNOT sign them, that’s faulty reasoning.

 

[kerouac9]

Should’ve given Dave McGinnis 10 years to do something different.

That’s the problem when you play out this argument. We as fans really can’t see enough to know.

 

[DVontel]

Panthers won in Lambeau with Bryce throwing 102 yards & 0/1 TD/INT ratio. That is coaching

I know Kyler sucks

But my God what a mistake it would be to bring Gannon & crew back for next season

 

[602 Native]

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[football karma]

Hence the “U” in “UFA.”

the U means the player can go anywhere he wants

the standard for being a good GM getting 100% of the players he targets just isnt realistic and one no GM would meet

 

[Stout]

He shows promise as a HC too.
We all knew there would be a steep learning curve with a rookie HC and two rookie coordinators.

I really like Rallis,...and dude is only like 12 or something.

I would dump kyler...dump The Petzing... draft a QB early...then sign an experienced OC...
Even kliff had the benefit of having an exe HC to lean on...
Gannons entire crew has to whip out their google-fu every time they have a question.
We need to put JG in a position where he can totally forget about one side of the ball and focus on developing as a HC. Whenever he does that now, The Petzing calls 3 consecutive A-Gap Blasts, then punts.
I don't know if it was Mike or monti...but it was a huge mistake to allow the entire staff to be filled out with rookie coaches.

In what ways?

I used to like Rallis, too. Then this season happened.

The way you're talking about giving Gannon a chance is the way Kyler stans talk about giving Kyler a chance, as if we should wait until we make everything great around him before making a judgment.

 

[kerouac9]

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Injured players not going to meetings makes no sense to me. Are there not enough chairs?

Hopefully one of the Cards press who reads this board will follow up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He shows promise as a HC too.

How? In what is the “we’re finally ready to compete season” he’s made one baffling CRITICAL decision after another that have repeatedly been problems and major reasons why we keep losing close games.

What is this promise? Outside of a four game winning streak last year against the fearsome foursome of the Jets, Bears, Dolphins and Chargers, this team has been an abominable 10-28. Hell, even with that brief win streak against the Sisters Of the Poor, his record is a pathetic 14-28.

What is this promise you speak of?

 

[DVontel]

He shows promise as a HC too.

He lost to the Tennessee Titans dude.

 

[oaken1]

He lost to the Tennessee Titans dude.

the team has a devastating lack of on field leadership. a HC cant execute on the field.
But the simple fact that his players will run through a wall for him has huge value.
our biggest issue is that James Conner seems to have been the only source of leadership on our entire offense.
with the draft profile these guys talk about you would expect more of these young guys to step up and take ownership of the squad,,,but they havent....and we all know we aint getting any leadership from the QB...the main position its expected from...so the team plays aimlessly.

I know you have heard it before. But at some point players have to execute..we just dont seem to have acquired guys who will direct their teammates to do it.

 

[DVontel]

the team has a devastating lack of on field leadership. a HC cant execute on the field.
But the simple fact that his players will run through a wall for him has huge value.
our biggest issue is that James Conner seems to have been the only source of leadership on our entire offense.
with the draft profile these guys talk about you would expect more of these young guys to step up and take ownership of the squad,,,but they havent....and we all know we aint getting any leadership from the QB...the main position its expected from...so the team plays aimlessly.

I know you have heard it before. But at some point players have to execute..we just dont seem to have acquired guys who will direct their teammates to do it.

Run through a wall for him? What the hell kind of value is that? Is the wall too big when the 4th quarter arrives?

Our issue is we have a bad & conservative HC who looks to be way over his head.

The fanbase is jumping for joy over close losses against the Colts & Packers when I’m seeing other mediocre/bad teams actually beat those Colts & Packers teams.

 

[DVontel]

Trying imagine a world where we lose the rest of our games but all of them are “close losses”

At least they ran through a wall for him

 

[kerouac9]

Trying imagine a world where we lose the rest of our games but all of them are “close losses”

At least they ran through a wall for him

Guys think about getting everything out of Evan Brown.

Think about it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Run through a wall for him? What the hell kind of value is that? Is the wall too big when the 4th quarter arrives?

Our issue is we have a bad & conservative HC who looks to be way over his head.

The fanbase is jumping for joy over close losses against the Colts & Packers when I’m seeing other mediocre/bad teams actually beat those Colts & Packers teams.

Seriously.

Where were they running through walls trying to beat an absolutely PATHETIC Titans team? Or how about last year, with the playoffs on the line going into a terrible Panthers team and immediately going down 21-0 where they then had to play perfect the rest of the game… just to STILL lose to that pathetic team in OT and end all playoff hopes?

The expectations for this team are just comically low for a lot of fans of this franchise.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Blow it up. Start over. We didn't even play today and I'm pissed. Watching some of these other teams and seeing what we are doing makes me angry. How many times do we watch a play get ready to develop and just know it's gonna be bad?

And I agree with whoever posted wherever about having to "rebuild" every four years. I miss Arians.

 

[JosiahLee]

Especially in THIS current era of NFL football. Turnarounds are expected, not wished for. Didn't think the Colts and the Patriots would both leave us in the dust. Had you asked me before the season started if we'd be worse than them at this point in the season, I would have looked at you like you were crazy.

You forgot to mention the Bears, Panthers, Jaguars, Broncos…EVERYONE’S rebuild is ahead of ours.

 

[Stout]

the team has a devastating lack of on field leadership. a HC cant execute on the field.
But the simple fact that his players will run through a wall for him has huge value.
our biggest issue is that James Conner seems to have been the only source of leadership on our entire offense.
with the draft profile these guys talk about you would expect more of these young guys to step up and take ownership of the squad,,,but they havent....and we all know we aint getting any leadership from the QB...the main position its expected from...so the team plays aimlessly.

I know you have heard it before. But at some point players have to execute..we just dont seem to have acquired guys who will direct their teammates to do it.

Players playing hard is NOT a huge feather in a coach's cap. It is the absolute minimum requirement.

 

[602 Native]

We are a total poverty franchise in a division full of Kings

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[BullheadCardFan]

We are a total poverty franchise in a division full of Kings

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Less than 1%

Yikes!

 

[Harry]

I think Gannon has many of the qualities to be a successful coach. I just think he needs to understand he failed in AZ and why. If they hang on to him he can rationalize his failure. They actually do him a failure by firing him.

 

[Adrian]

Is Cardinals coach Jonathan Gannon on the hot seat?

Could Jonathan Gannon find himself out of a job in the winter?

uk.sports.yahoo.com

 

[football karma]

I think Gannon has many of the qualities to be a successful coach. I just think he needs to understand he failed in AZ and why. If they hang on to him he can rationalize his failure. They actually do him a failure by firing him.

I think number one is thats its fine in principle to let your coordinators coordinate -- but that there is also a time a HC to step in and drive an adjustment

not sure if the second part happens

 

[GatorAZ]

Whether you think J Venerable is dialed in or not he says Gannon isn’t getting fired.

 

[kerouac9]

Whether you think J Venerable is dialed in or not he says Gannon isn’t getting fired.

Even if they go 2–15?

 

[Zalixar]

Even if they go 2–15?

The best ever mind you