The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[ASUCHRIS]

Stays in budget. These low-level FAs like Froholdt (who has returned/been pushed back to mediocrity by the scheme shift) and Mack Wilson and Kyzir White have worked out and provided a lot of excess value.

These moves barely move the needle. They're fine, but a very small step towards a goal.

Also I think the extensions for both Collins and McBride were done on time and without acrimony. I’d add in the ones for James Conner and Budda Baker as well.

How happy are we with the extensions? The only no-brainer was McBride, and how would one screw that up? The bar is so low around here.

Conner is definitely a questionable extension - he was good for about half a season last year and has been not good or injured since. Do you think Budda plays like a 19M man?

I think Michael wanted a GM who wouldn’t be so public facing and that’s what he’s pretty much gotten.

Super. Can you feel the excitement?

 

[Mulli]

The low level moves make them ready to absorb Kyler’s contract when they obtain Kirk Cousins?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

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Even at the time, it was clear that offensive minded head coaches were the wave of the future. We zagged and chose an old fashioned Defensive head coach and offensive system, and have been lapped by everyone who made the opposite choice.

How you WIN in the modern NFL:
1. Shane Steichen, offensive guru 6-1
2. Sean McVay, offensive guru 5-2
3. Kyle Shanahan, offensive guru 5-2
4. Sean Payton, offensive guru 5-25
. Nick Sirianni, former OC 5-2
6. Dan Campbell, aggressive O 5-2
7. Andy Reid

 

[kerouac9]

These moves barely move the needle. They're fine, but a very small step towards a goal.

How happy are we with the extensions? The only no-brainer was McBride, and how would one screw that up? The bar is so low around here.

Conner is definitely a questionable extension - he was good for about half a season last year and has been not good or injured since. Do you think Budda plays like a 19M man?

Super. Can you feel the excitement?

Dude, I answered your question in good faith. Yes, the bar is low, but these are things that Keim couldn’t do and drove me crazy.

Keim would let good-not-great players leave because they didn’t meet Sky-high expectations. Monti doesn’t do that.

If you are expecting to reap your top players through the draft, you have to keep your mid level players in house. One of Monti’s biggest errors after his first season (and this would have driven me crazy at the time) was not keeping Hollywood Brown.

He didn’t play much once Kyler came back, but this WR corps would have looked a lot better with Marv-Brown-Wilson-Jones than what we ended up with.

 

[oaken1]

Mistakes, bad play calls, poor situational football...that's coordinators and position coaches.

11 guys on both sides of the ball playing hard from snap to whistle...that's HC.

Although overall team discipline has gone down this season though...and that's also HC..

Looks to me like he certainly hasn't lost the team...
But it also seems like maybe the player/coach relationship might be getting too comfortable.

 

[602 Native]

End of 2025 - Fire Gannon
2026 - Monti hires new HC.
End of 2027 - Fire Monti
2027 - New GM is hired
End of 2028 - New HC is fired.

This is why everyone has to go.
Total do over because we can't do this again.

 

[oaken1]

Nope, Monti should go too. Otherwise we're stuck for him for probably 3 more years and he's been awful at roster building--after needlessly tearing it apart and making it worse.

Yeah....
Mike should just hire Ouchie to be GM...
Then get Chopper in as HC...sign you to takeover DC responsibilities ...and hire me to be OC...
And of course, K9 for teams.
Then we can get Brit a visa and sign him on as offensive quality control.
Thesmal of course for Run Game Coordinator...

DVontel as WR coach/Passing game Coordinator....can't wait to see him and Thesmal go at it over balancing the game plan.

Harry as Director of scouting might be a good get...

I'm certain we have folks around here that can fill out all the position coach openings...

And I'm pretty sure we could field a team that meets or exceeds Cardinals historic averages...
Considering most of us would sign on for positional minimum contracts Mike will be thrilled with the financial savings.

 

[football karma]

End of 2025 - Fire Gannon
2026 - Monti hires new HC.
End of 2027 - Fire Monti
2027 - New GM is hired
End of 2028 - New HC is fired.

Mike has to go find some respected football exec that will come in and be President of Football Ops. The person has to have some gravitas in the NFL. Go poach someone from the Rams or the 49ers or the Eagles or the Packers.

then let that person find the FO staff / HC they want.

otherwise -- its just more of the same.

 

[oaken1]

NOLEN JUST HAD HIS PRACTICE WINDOW OPENED!!! LFG!!!

Oh shyte!! Finish the season with a 10 game win streak!!

 

[JosiahLee]

Again, they HAVE to make the playoffs to justify keeping him IMO.

Practically, that means going at least 8-2 down the stretch, if not 9-1 (Even Seattle missed the playoffs last year at 10-7)

To me there’s no point in going say 5-5 or 6-4 down the stretch to finish say 8-9 again…This might be enough for MB to justify running it back again for another mediocre season.

Barring a miracle and K1 playing the best 10 game stretch of his career, this regime should not be allowed to come back. Monti included.

 

[kerouac9]

Again, they HAVE to make the playoffs to justify keeping him IMO.

Practically, that means going at least 8-2 down the stretch, if not 9-1 (Even Seattle missed the playoffs last year at 10-7)

To me there’s no point in going say 5-5 or 6-4 down the stretch to finish say 8-9 again…This might be enough for MB to justify running it back again for another mediocre season.

Barring a miracle and K1 playing the best 10 game stretch of his career, this regime should not be allowed to come back. Monti included.

Based only on this I think we can rest assured they’ll go 7-3, win their last four or five (including three by double digits) and everyone will come back and we can do this again next year.

 

[Mr X]

Not calling the time out was crazy only to then take a sack. Wasted so much time.

Gannon said something along the lines that sacks in the redzone aren't so bad. Ya because you plan to play it safe and get a FG always.

 

[Harry]

Yeah....
Mike should just hire Ouchie to be GM...
Then get Chopper in as HC...sign you to takeover DC responsibilities ...and hire me to be OC...
And of course, K9 for teams.
Then we can get Brit a visa and sign him on as offensive quality control.
Thesmal of course for Run Game Coordinator...

DVontel as WR coach/Passing game Coordinator....can't wait to see him and Thesmal go at it over balancing the game plan.

Harry as Director of scouting might be a good get...

I'm certain we have folks around here that can fill out all the position coach openings...

And I'm pretty sure we could field a team that meets or exceeds Cardinals historic averages...
Considering most of us would sign on for positional minimum contracts Mike will be thrilled with the financial savings.

I’ll pass, terrible job. It’s draft day and I’m in the room. Second round has started and I have a WR here with a second round buy. The GM tells me he likes my guy and we’ll get him in the third round. He tells me he has to take this guard because protecting the QB is his top priority. Three picks later my WR goes. We get to round three and he tells me to pick him a winner. I’m thinking we could take that guard you wanted because he’d still be on the board. I recommend a TE with great skills but who’s played for an offense that doesn’t throw to the TE. We take him. He’s missed one game in 4 years of college. He gets a season ending injury in camp and it’s my fault because I called him.

 

[schutd]

I think that Gannon is better at his job than Monti or Kyler are at theirs, but none of them are good enough to lead a consistently winning football program.

(Do any other iPhone users feel like their autocorrect has gotten significantly worse in the past few weeks and months?)

We are behind the Cardinals firewall, secretly placed here by Chairman Bidwill, to assume all control of keystrokes that make us question even our own opinions. (I'm in China right now, FWIW). Its not your auto correct. Its autocratic correct.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

End of 2025 - Fire Gannon
2026 - Monti hires new HC.
End of 2027 - Fire Monti
2027 - New GM is hired
End of 2028 - New HC is fired.

i love autopay too but this is ridiculous

 

[Mulli]

i love autopay too but this is ridiculous

You left out build new lockerroom

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

You left out build new lockerroom

if dudes are half naked im good

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Coach and GM should be gone.

 

[oaken1]

if dudes are half naked im good

Is that how you intended that statement to sound?

 

[DaHilg]

How are you not embarrassed and even fired ?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude, I answered your question in good faith. Yes, the bar is low, but these are things that Keim couldn’t do and drove me crazy.

Keim would let good-not-great players leave because they didn’t meet Sky-high expectations. Monti doesn’t do that.

what? He started his tenure off doing exactly that with both Zach Allen and Murphy.

If you are expecting to reap your top players through the draft, you have to keep your mid level players in house. One of Monti’s biggest errors after his first season (and this would have driven me crazy at the time) was not keeping Hollywood Brown.

So... after the two massive blunders in his first season watching Allen/Murphy walk, you also think he made a big error letting Brown walk as well.

All of that flies in the face of the idea that Monti somehow doesn't let the good-not-great players leave.

He didn’t play much once Kyler came back, but this WR corps would have looked a lot better with Marv-Brown-Wilson-Jones than what we ended up with.

 

[kerouac9]

what? He started his tenure off doing exactly that with both Zach Allen and Murphy.

So... after the two massive blunders in his first season watching Allen/Murphy walk, you also think he made a big error letting Brown walk as well.

All of that flies in the face of the idea that Monti somehow doesn't let the good-not-great players leave.

Letting Allen and Murphy walk was dumb, but those were part of the roster he was building. It’s hard to retain 100% of your top guys, especially when you’re cost constrained in the was we really were that first year.

Yes, Brown was a mistake, but the list of mid-tier players he’s retained is much longer.

 

[football karma]

what? He started his tenure off doing exactly that with both Zach Allen and Murphy.

Allen was the error (although in fairness, once a player is a UFA there isnt much a GM can do short of a franchise tag)

IIRC: Murphy wasn't coming back as he was unhappy with team docs who mis-diagnosed his back injury

 

[602 Native]

HA

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[football karma]

HA

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more often than not, PFF stuff passes the eye test

but it feels spectacularly wrong sometimes