The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[Chopper0080]

It’s all a stretch. It’s like depending on multiple 15% outcomes to come through.

But I don’t think is crazy to put Nolen in a pass rush specialist for a dozen plays a game and tell him to split double teams.

A couple big ifs but not unrealistic.

If GWill, Melton and Will Johnson all stay healthy and continue to improve, it's feasible they could get a lot better over the remainder of the season.

If Nolen can contribute as a sub package pass rusher, with DRob making incremental improvements ala Zaven Collins, the front becomes better in situations where the Cardinals have the lead.

IMO, those are the two biggest areas where the defense needs to improve to become very good. (and health of course)

 

[Chopper0080]

Outside of an actual difference maker available at the trade deadline of course.

 

[football karma]

I think 9-1 is a minimum to get into the playoffs. And that's WITH a mid NFC. Packers, Lions, and of course Niners, Rams and Seahawks will all be standing in the way.

I think the screenwriters plan to have the Cards win enough games to miss the playoffs by a tie breaker, thus ensuring that missing the playoffs will be the result of Emari DeMercado dropping the ball prior to the goal line --

its our fate.

 

[Stout]

A couple big ifs but not unrealistic.

If GWill, Melton and Will Johnson all stay healthy and continue to improve, it's feasible they could get a lot better over the remainder of the season.

If Nolen can contribute as a sub package pass rusher, with DRob making incremental improvements ala Zaven Collins, the front becomes better in situations where the Cardinals have the lead.

IMO, those are the two biggest areas where the defense needs to improve to become very good. (and health of course)

If Zaven Collins is all we get out of DRob, well, that would be very Cardinals.

 

[football karma]

If Zaven Collins is all we get out of DRob, well, that would be very Cardinals.

it would disappoint, but

far, far more often than not, the 27th pick in the draft is just a guy. average NFL contributor. sure looks like Darius' fate

the issue is: to be a top 12 NFL kinda team, you have to do better than league average. So far, Monti is league average

 

[Chopper0080]

If Zaven Collins is all we get out of DRob, well, that would be very Cardinals.

It would be disappointing but better than several players taken at 27 overall. Again, the dumb Monti move was not moving up from 27 and/or round 2. He had the ammo but then decided to trade back in a draft that was considered top heavy to add 3rd round picks. Such an odd strategy.

 

[kerouac9]

Our pass defense is butt. Our run defense is okay.

 

[Cheesebeef]

for a coach who hasn't even sniffed the playoffs, much less won a game there, it is absolutely bananas to me that the overwhelming YES response to this poll is that as we sit at 2-5, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS the rest of the season, Gannon deserves a 4TH chance to be the head coach next year. That means 46% of the people here believe that even if we are a pathetic/likely 4-13 or 5-12 and Gannon's record... eh. who cares.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

for a coach who hasn't even sniffed the playoffs, much less won a game there, it is absolutely bananas to me that the overwhelming YES response to this poll is that as we sit at 2-5, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS the rest of the season, Gannon deserves a 4TH chance to be the head coach next year. That means 46% of the people here believe that even if we are a pathetic/likely 4-13 or 5-12 and Gannon's record... eh. who cares.

How about we fire him get Alec pierce in free agency ..draft Frances magluio Miami offensive tackle then trade up to the bottom of the first for a quarterback to sit behind brissett for a year?…..

 

[kerouac9]

for a coach who hasn't even sniffed the playoffs, much less won a game there, it is absolutely bananas to me that the overwhelming YES response to this poll is that as we sit at 2-5, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS the rest of the season, Gannon deserves a 4TH chance to be the head coach next year. That means 46% of the people here believe that even if we are a pathetic/likely 4-13 or 5-12 and Gannon's record... eh. who cares.

Some of us just want to see the world burn

 

[Stout]

it would disappoint, but

far, far more often than not, the 27th pick in the draft is just a guy. average NFL contributor. sure looks like Darius' fate

the issue is: to be a top 12 NFL kinda team, you have to do better than league average. So far, Monti is league average

People argue that Zaven is more than a JAG. He's pretty meh for me. Continually drafting meh players is bad in the 1st round.

 

[Krangodnzr]

People argue that Zaven is more than a JAG. He's pretty meh for me. Continually drafting meh players is bad in the 1st round.

Zaven would be a good 4-3 backer. He's just not an edge or an ILB.

 

[Stout]

Zaven would be a good 4-3 backer. He's just not an edge or an ILB.

Might be the case, yeah.

 

[phillycard]

So when he and Monti flew to Norman, OK for Kyler’s statue ceremony he was just Doing a Bit? Gotta respect the hustle.

Gannon is cringe. But cringe is about being too earnest, not being phony.

That's fair. Doesn't change my opinion though.

 

[kerouac9]

That's fair. Doesn't change my opinion though.

Well as long as you don’t change your opinion in the face of contradictory evidence, I guess. So #2025

 

[unseenaz]

Well as long as you don’t change your opinion in the face of contradictory evidence, I guess. So #2025

There could be a million ways to spin that trip

 

[kerouac9]

There could be a million ways to spin that trip

Yes please align this with “he had designs on seeing K1 gone” from the beginning.

I believe Hobby Lobby had a special on red string today only.

 

[unseenaz]

Yes please align this with “he had designs on seeing K1 gone” from the beginning.

I believe Hobby Lobby had a special on red string today only.

Why is it hard to imagine that they had visions of their team without K1? The league knows what Kyler is and what his limitations are. I think MOJG came into this with gold intentions but ultimately want their own QB. So they developed a run first offense that didn’t rely on a QB slinging the ball all over the field, they turned him into a game manager to try and get the most out of him. Which turns out, he doesn’t do that well.

They knew Kyler was under heat for his contract, his performance, his relationship with the previous coach, the media - so they in a very public way showed support in him.

 

[kerouac9]

Why is it hard to imagine that they had visions of their team without K1? The league knows what Kyler is and what his limitations are. I think MOJG came into this with gold intentions but ultimately want their own QB. So they developed a run first offense that didn’t rely on a QB slinging the ball all over the field, they turned him into a game manager to try and get the most out of him. Which turns out, he doesn’t do that well.

They knew Kyler was under heat for his contract, his performance, his relationship with the previous coach, the media - so they in a very public way showed support in him.

There’s literally nothing there that supports the idea that MOJG weren’t bought in on Kyler from the beginning.

 

[Harry]

There’s literally nothing there that supports the idea that MOJG weren’t bought in on Kyler from the beginning.

This is one of those issues where reality may not be revealed for years.

 

[kerouac9]

This is one of those issues where reality may not be revealed for years.

I mean it seems pretty clear that reality has been revealed from the beginning.

JOMG were excited to be landing at a job where the hardest position in sports was settled with a guy who was, at worst, an above-average player. They then set about making cascading wrong decisions that turned him into a guy who is arguably no better than Jacoby Brissett.

Why wait until their third season to undermine Kyler Murray? Deep cope. Very little suggests these guys are good and savvy. A savvy head coach doesn’t let an easy home win against the Titans slip away.

 

[DVontel]

A lot of excuses happening for Monti & Gannon on this page.

 

[iLLmatiC]

JOMG ain't it but Bidwill will surely screw up the next pick too so we're screwed until ownership catches lightning in a bottle (Arians & Palmer) or they sell.

 

[unseenaz]

I mean it seems pretty clear that reality has been revealed from the beginning.

JOMG were excited to be landing at a job where the hardest position in sports was settled with a guy who was, at worst, an above-average player. They then set about making cascading wrong decisions that turned him into a guy who is arguably no better than Jacoby Brissett.

Why wait until their third season to undermine Kyler Murray? Deep cope. Very little suggests these guys are good and savvy. A savvy head coach doesn’t let an easy home win against the Titans slip away.

Huh? By 2023 when JG got here a large portion of this fanbase knew K1 wasn't the guy. JGMO knew they were strapped with him for 3 years, minimum, due to his contract. What impact did JG have in Kyler's downfall? That was his own doing, they tried to mitigate his negative impact on games. MO attempted to make this a run first team, but this year in particular we lack the talent to do that.

 

[football karma]

I think Monti / JG showed up fully in the K1 camp -- making him work was their fastest path to relevance.

I also think the way Monti managed the cap suggests he was keeping some cap reserved in the event he didn't.

Gannon is principled /earnest enough that during the season he is 100% in on Kyler publicly, so I don't expect any hedging from him on this.

IMO: he needs to be even if the plan right now is to move off of him in the offseason.

Two reasons:

1. Whatever trade value exists from his play would be trashed if Gannon benched Kyler with 5 games to go / threw him under the bus.
2. They will have to sign a QB for next year. Any UFA QB will want to see a HC / Org that had patience.

This meal is cooked -- they just got to gulp it down.