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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ge=dime-080430

SAN ANTONIO -- If the Mike D'Antoni era of Phoenix Suns basketball is finished, it's because the Suns as an organization have stopped wondering why so many things go against them and ultimately realized that this series was lost with mental mistakes and coaching decisions that were second-guessed within the locker room.

In the hours after the Suns were eliminated by the San Antonio Spurs, who won Game 5, 92-87, on Tuesday, Sports Illustrated's Jack McCallum, citing sources within the organization, reported that D'Antoni's four-and-a-half year tenure with the Suns was over.

When the story keeps ending with the same result, at least one of the characters has to change. This is the third time in four seasons that the Spurs have bounced the Suns from the playoffs.

This time, more than ever, there was a feeling that the Suns betrayed themselves. This time, they felt their downfall wasn't fate or the league conspiring against them.

In the past, they haven't quite gotten the breaks they needed to get past the Spurs. They have never had their full lineup vs. San Antonio in the playoffs, whether it be Joe Johnson sitting out with a fractured eye socket in 2005, Steve Nash missing crucial possessions with his busted nose in Game 1 and Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw getting suspended for Game 5 last year, or a groin injury this year that limited Grant Hill to 68 minutes in three games.

Adding to the Suns' frustration was the lack of punishment for Kevin Garnett when he shoved an official and Kendrick Perkins and Marvin Williams when they stepped onto the court during a confrontation in Game 4 of Monday's Celtics-Hawks series. Where, they wondered, was this type of leniency last year when Stoudemire and Diaw made their little excursion from the bench?

They thought some critical calls didn't go their way Tuesday (doesn't every team?), but really they knew this was about committing four turnovers in the final two minutes in what had been a tied game. That's poor execution, which is normally the code word for "it's the players' fault." But there was a running undercurrent throughout the series that the Spurs' Gregg Popovich was the one who had his players mentally sharper and made the better moves, and the Suns kept finding ways to trace their woes back to strategic decisions.

Shaquille O'Neal and Nash both lobbied for D'Antoni through the media after the game, but Nash was also among those who said the Suns were hampered by their inability make defensive adjustments against Tony Parker in Game 3, and then by the decision to run the offense through Boris Diaw in the final two games.

Amare Stoudemire offered no words of support for D'Antoni -- "That's not my focus at all," Stoudemire said -- and was much more willing to expound on the need for the Suns to find a plan and stick with it, most importantly establishing who is going to be The Man on this team. Not surprisingly, he nominated himself.

Whoever coaches the team next season will have to deal with the issues associated with two key players who looked like shadows of the top two finishers in the 2005 Most Valuable Player voting: Nash and O'Neal.

Shaq is 36, and while he has adapted to his reduced status and filled the low-post defense role the Suns asked him to, the career-long weak spot in his game played a major role in this series. The Spurs went with the Extreme Hack-A-Shaq strategy, fouling him away from the ball to send him to the line, disrupting Phoenix's rhythm and forcing D'Antoni's hand on whether to keep him on the court. Tuesday, O'Neal accounted for 11 of the Suns' 17 missed free throws.

Nash, 34, never really put his stamp on the series. He had more turnovers than assists (5-3) in Game 5 and committed two of the Suns' three turnovers on consecutive possessions after they tied the score with two minutes remaining.

After Game 3 he said the constant stops for the Shaq fouls threw him off, and he admitted after Game 5 that he had trouble adjusting to the tactical switch to put the ball in Diaw's hands in the low post.

"He played great, we had a mismatch there," Nash said of his teammate, who had 42 points and 16 assists in the final two games.

"I think moreso than the strategy, it was just [getting] used to it. It got me a little out of sorts -- it was my own fault -- and I think it probably, as a team, we were going with something we weren't real familiar with when it really counted, and that probably was difficult for us."


Stoudemire, who scored only 22 points in the final two games, was more critical.

"If you're going to play a certain way in the playoffs, you've got to play that way during the whole season," Stoudemire said. "I felt like we changed a little bit in the playoffs, tried to slow it down. If we were going to play that way, we should have played that way the whole season, that way we would have been prepared for the playoffs."

He echoed Nash on the Diaw strategy, saying that Diaw played well and had an advantage against defenders such as Michael Finley and Manu Ginobili. But he didn't offer a ringing endorsement when he said: "The decision is made by the head coach. We've got to live with it."

There's a big difference between living with it and supporting it. Stoudemire said that next year the Suns should "find out who our go-to player is, find out who's going to have the ball in their hands, then go with it."

Asked if he wanted to be that go-to guy, he said: "Absolutely."

That gets back to an issue we talked about here last week, that the Suns never found an identity after the Shaq trade, something Nash implied Tuesday when he said, "I think we've got to really figure out who we are."

Making an acquisition as major as Shaquille O'Neal with two months left in the season didn't allow much time for self-discovery. Is it really fair to judge D'Antoni on a team he didn't have time to form into a unit? Should general manager Steve Kerr have come in after a year and overhauled a group and a system that's been in place for four years?

The responsibility lies with Suns owner Robert Sarver as well. And while Sarver did compliment D'Antoni's tie before the game, he hasn't offered much public support for his coaching lately.

A clue to what the Suns need to do next can be found in their assessment of what went wrong in this series.

Stoudemire joined every player who was interviewed in expressing a mixture of admiration for the Spurs' ability to make the right plays and regret that they couldn't do so themselves.

"This series we made too many crucial mistakes against a good team," O'Neal said.

"They beat us with the intangibles," Raja Bell said. "They beat us with the little things. They beat us with the gamesmanship, they beat us with the attention to detail, the game plan, the commitment to doing all of the little things that win games. That's why they're the champs. That's why, year-in and year-out, no matter what people say about them, they find a way to be right there in the mix and vying for a championship.

"We were just as good if not better than them as a talent and a physical team, but they were way ahead of us mentally. That's a tough pill to swallow. That's tough to know that somebody outsmarted you, outwitted you and just outdid you in the little parts of the game."

Said Stoudemire: "They were well-coached. They were well-ran. They knew their strategies. And they're the champs. You've got to give them their props."


Nash said it all traces back to Game 1, when the Suns played a great first half, then held the lead in the final minutes of regulation and the first overtime, only to let three-pointers extend the game and give the Spurs more chances to win.

"They were close to asking real questions about themselves," Nash said. "You could feel it in the crowd. We didn't close them out. You don't close them out, all of a sudden they get confidence in and a belief in themselves that makes a difference. And then all of those little championship qualities that they have allowed them to close us out instead of us closing them out."

Over the weekend D'Antoni likened Duncan's 3-pointer in Game 1 to some of Robert Horry's big shots and any number of other memorable playoff baskets.

"It changes history," D'Antoni said.

And in D'Antoni's case, it might make him history. At least as coach of the Suns.

So look for them to bring in someone  Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau, perhaps?  who will emphasize defense and details, instead of DAntoni's up-tempo, offensive-oriented approach. The Suns will become a little bit more like everyone else, D'Antoni's grand experiment in the desert will officially go down as a failure because it didn't win a championship. And fans of fast-break ball will think there was never more truth to the words it was fun while it lasted.
 

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I still say this team wins 55+ next season, is a top 4 seed and at least gets to the conference finals.
 

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run and gun doesnt work. why worry over it since you wont win a ring with it.
 

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Amare is beginning to piss me off- God forbid we exploit a match-up and give ball to Diaw. Yeah, since he scores on Duncan like Diaw scored on Finley.:rolleyes:
 

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Amare is beginning to piss me off- God forbid we exploit a match-up and give ball to Diaw. Yeah, since he scores on Duncan like Diaw scored on Finley.:rolleyes:

Uh.....

You might want to check Amare's career averages against Duncan and the Spurs....
 

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My apology. I forgot Amare is a God and we must not criticize him even when he is being a crybaby and throwing his teammates under the bus. My bad.
 

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I have to admit I've never been a huge fan of Amare. Oh, he has talent and is a good player, but it is becoming more and more apparent that he is the next Joe Johnson and has to be THE MAN or else he will just demand to go elsewhere and continue to throw others under the bus when it suits his own needs.

I personally think he is an egotistical jerk. Just my opinion though and I'm sure others will disagree. But I always thought it was more of Amare disrupting the 'chemistry' of the team than Marion. That will probably never be known for sure though.
 

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There is an undertone to Stoudemire's post game comments that gives me a bad feeling for next season. if there is discord in the locker room it may be because of him and not Shaq. He has been the go to guy this season except these series where he has made some inexcusable blunder. I think he has filled his head with wanting to be the best big man in the game and ganering personal accolades , nothing wrong with that as long as he is still a team player.
I just hope he comes back next season with noticeable diffensive improvement because it wont be Duncan that will give him hell next year, He will have to contend with Bynum, Oden and jefferson among others.
 

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The kicker is- he IS the man on this team. However, when you are going up against 2 excellent defenders and another guy has a huge advantage in his match up- you back off and let that guy take over.

Don't get me wrong- I love Stoudemire. He is one hell of a player. Sure, I'd rather have Dwight Howard, but I am happy with Stoudemire. I would hate to see him playing for another team (unless we got Howard out of it), but he's gotta cut this crap out. He is the man, but he is acting like a crybaby and a whiny little bitch.
 

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I have to admit I've never been a huge fan of Amare. Oh, he has talent and is a good player, but it is becoming more and more apparent that he is the next Joe Johnson and has to be THE MAN or else he will just demand to go elsewhere and continue to throw others under the bus when it suits his own needs.

I personally think he is an egotistical jerk. Just my opinion though and I'm sure others will disagree. But I always thought it was more of Amare disrupting the 'chemistry' of the team than Marion. That will probably never be known for sure though.

Oh, i think we will know for sure next season, he has always been a baby by missing practice if nothing goes his way and his preoccupation to always be on the front page news will not bode well with the team psyche next season
 

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i think alot of what amare said is right but he shouldnt be pointing any fingers. he needs to look at himself. lazy on defense, lazy on rebounding, lazy on boxing out, lazy reach in fouls, stupid defensive fouls, stupid offensive fouls.

we need a coach that won't tolerate this crap.
 

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i think alot of what amare said is right but he shouldnt be pointing any fingers. he needs to look at himself. lazy on defense, lazy on rebounding, lazy on boxing out, lazy reach in fouls, stupid defensive fouls, stupid offensive fouls.

we need a coach that won't tolerate this crap.

He flat out said that Boris should not get the basketball. As far as I am concerned, Boris is the only guy who can be proud of himself as far as last night's game goes.

To Amare's credit, he did have some nice defensive plays in the fourth quarter.
He just needs to stop being a whiny bitch.
 

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i think alot of what amare said is right but he shouldnt be pointing any fingers. he needs to look at himself. lazy on defense, lazy on rebounding, lazy on boxing out, lazy reach in fouls, stupid defensive fouls, stupid offensive fouls.

we need a coach that won't tolerate this crap.

Hopefully they will get a coach that won't tolerate that kind of BS. Amare needs to look in the mirror before calling out others when he has many shortcomings himself.

D'Antoni has made alot of mistakes, granted, but I think his biggest flaw was being way too passive with his players. I don't think you need a drill sargeant or someone who will be in a players face constantly, because with the big egos and salaries these players make, that won't fly. BUT, I do think you need a coach with more of a backbone who will call a player out when they are doing something stupid or has their head up their own arse instead of being in the game where it should be. Only time I've really seen D'Antoni upset or yelling is at the refs for a 'questionable' call. He should have put some of that passion towards his players.
 

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Amare is whining because his numbers suffered the last two games
amare stoudemire is a loser, he will never win squat with any team as
"the man". KT just ate him up on the glass, a 36 year old got 3 oboards, and amares man was running loose as usual with oberto converting back door layups while amare was daydreaming. Amare is not a kid, he's a 5 year pro, someday he must be held accountable for his lapses. This is probably why JJ left, he hated amares attitude and ego about "being the man". Amare was on the floor for 44 minutes ,shaq for 29 and TD+KT got 12 oboards, pathetic showing by the suns big men.
 

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stat was hurt that the offense was going through 3D, not through stat.

maybe on purpose or not, thats why stat wasn't looking for his shot or attacking.

i hope stat doesnt start talking about himself in the 3rd person. AJ or a defensive minded coach should put stat's ego in check.


stat says "stat was there for us tonight. stat dominated the game".
 

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stat was hurt that the offense was going through 3D, not through stat.

maybe on purpose or not, thats why stat wasn't looking for his shot or attacking.

i hope stat doesnt start talking about himself in the 3rd person. AJ or a defensive minded coach should put stat's ego in check.


stat says "stat was there for us tonight. stat dominated the game".

:lmao:
I read a blurb last week with Lebron James referring to himself in the third person...man that is scary.
 
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A comment that was omitted from the article but can be heard here:




Alridge: You've lost to the Spurs the last 3 years, is this team ever going to break through or do you need some changes?

Amare: You know what, as long as I'm here, we're gonna break through sooner or later. I'm tired of losing to these guys. I'm sick and fed up. It's just a matter of everyone putting hard work into their offseason and understanding what it takes to win. Not just working for the playoffs but for the championship. If we're gonna play one way in the playoffs, we have to play that way during the whole season..........I guarantee I'll be a better player next year.

Alridge: Where are you going to get better at?

Amare: Defensive, defensive awareness, every aspect of the game. I guarantee I'll be a better player.



Amare has to stick to his word and improve his defense and rebounding positioning. Judging from where he started as a rookie, I believe with the proper teaching, he can become a better than average defender.
 
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