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We went from a Top 5 offense to a pretty middling one. He was playing like an adequate starter, which is fines. But you were comparing him to Aaron Donald, which is ridiculous.
Comparing anyone to AD is ridiculous in context for sure… But regardless JJ was playing like our best DL without question when injured. He was commanding Double teams and being very disruptive regardless of overall stat line. His presence freed up others. It was a big loss.
 

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Kyler is not 100% of the problem. He’s maybe 40% of the problem. There’s plenty of blame to go around.

People are acting like JJ Watt was an essential piece of this defense. He was fine, but he wasn’t contributing that much. The Rams did lose a great WR in Robert Woods (and maybe more important to their scheme) and have managed to bounce back.
I agree on the Kyler thing. Definitely lots of factors.

However, I do believe that Watt was a big piece of our success. It may not have shown up in the stats but he created a lot of issues for the other team while he was playing. And Robert Woods would be like us losing AJ Green or Kirk. We could get by as long as we had Dhop and either Green/Kirk. I think the original poster was right. DHOP=Kupp and Donald is similar to us losing Watt or Jones. If Donald and Kupp are off the Rams due to injury, that team is nowhere near as good.
 

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I agree on the Kyler thing. Definitely lots of factors.

However, I do believe that Watt was a big piece of our success. It may not have shown up in the stats but he created a lot of issues for the other team while he was playing. And Robert Woods would be like us losing AJ Green or Kirk. We could get by as long as we had Dhop and either Green/Kirk. I think the original poster was right. DHOP=Kupp and Donald is similar to us losing Watt or Jones. If Donald and Kupp are off the Rams due to injury, that team is nowhere near as good.
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It’s real annoying seeing Matt Stafford throw 3 INTs(could’ve been 5) & not matter cause of Aaron Donald & Jalen Ramsey.
This is true. I said the same thing while watching the game. At one point Stafford had 3 picks and 0 TD's but they were still in the lead. I said if that was us, we would be getting killed.
 

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I agree on the Kyler thing. Definitely lots of factors.

However, I do believe that Watt was a big piece of our success. It may not have shown up in the stats but he created a lot of issues for the other team while he was playing. And Robert Woods would be like us losing AJ Green or Kirk. We could get by as long as we had Dhop and either Green/Kirk. I think the original poster was right. DHOP=Kupp and Donald is similar to us losing Watt or Jones. If Donald and Kupp are off the Rams due to injury, that team is nowhere near as good.

Donald/Jones today is unfair to be honest
Watt is the only one who can compared to him in terms of impact
I remember u last year after the Jones season ending injury the Cards were one of the top team in sacks
 

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I agree on the Kyler thing. Definitely lots of factors.

However, I do believe that Watt was a big piece of our success. It may not have shown up in the stats but he created a lot of issues for the other team while he was playing. And Robert Woods would be like us losing AJ Green or Kirk. We could get by as long as we had Dhop and either Green/Kirk. I think the original poster was right. DHOP=Kupp and Donald is similar to us losing Watt AND Jones. If Donald and Kupp are off the Rams due to injury, that team is nowhere near as good.
Fixed that for you. Donald is the best defensive player of all time regardless of position. Ask me if if I'd rather have 2 pro bowl linemen or one Donald and I take Donald every single time.
 

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Fixed that for you. Donald is the best defensive player of all time regardless of position. Ask me if if I'd rather have 2 pro bowl linemen or one Donald and I take Donald every single time.
I agree with you as far as comparing the individual players. But the original poster was talking about taking their best defensive player and best WR off their team and see what happens. I think Watt or Jones would qualify as that person on our defense, just like Donald or Ramsey would be that guy on the Rams.
 

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Rodney Hudson is back. That is good for Kyler.
Cardinals 8-2 with Rodney Hudson, 2-3 without him. Getting him back just in time.
 

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I am convinced that the primary issue with the o-line is the fact that Kyler is 99% of the time, operating from the shot-gun and uses his stupid clapping sequence to signal for the hike. It is awkward, confusing and dysfunctional. Offensive lineman need consistency, rhythm and reliability. To have to listen for a certain clap sequence to then know it's ok to fire... it's clearly a HUGE issue. And I'm certain it frustrates the hell out of the o-linemen.
Nothing is in sequence. Nothing is reliable. Nothing is on time. And it's due in great part to the fact that Kyler isn't comfy when under center. Ughhhh...
spot on.
 

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Rodney Hudson is back. That is good for Kyler.
Cardinals 8-2 with Rodney Hudson, 2-3 without him. Getting him back just in time.
Sadly, Hudson hasn't been a roaring success with this team. While his positive impact when he plays in unquestioned, he often DOESN'T play. Plus, the snapping issue needs to be resolved.
 

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I agree with you as far as comparing the individual players. But the original poster was talking about taking their best defensive player and best WR off their team and see what happens. I think Watt or Jones would qualify as that person on our defense, just like Donald or Ramsey would be that guy on the Rams.
You can think that but it isn’t true.
 

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That's not just Kyler though that's Kliff's offense. Remember the Raiders preseason game the first year of KK when the ref didn't agree with the earlier NFL ruling and kept calling false starts on Kyler for simulated snap by clapping but not getting the ball? That was all Kliff he said they'd literally invited the NFL to camp to review it and the NFL did and said it was ok. That's Kliff's offense. Murray likes it too but a big reason Kyler hasn't taken snaps under C much in the NFL is Kliff doesn't want him to.

I agree it's a big reason for false starts and all the bad snaps and it's why we have a hard time drawing guys offsides and getting the call, because they're afraid to do fake claps because the ref might call it on us, or someone might jump or snap the ball early.
I would agree to disagree with the clapping being KK's offense. Your post intrigued my interest to watch some videos on Youtube. I watched Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech, Baker Mayfield at both Tech and Oklahoma, and Kyler Murray at both Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

I didn't see Mahomes or Mayfield at all clapped for a snap at Tech. Mayfield started to clap at Oklahoma but not exclusively. He still alternated hut and clap even in the same game. Murray clapped almost all the time at Oklahoma. However, he did not at Texas A&M. Based on my observation, I would tend to believe the clapping is first the Lincoln Riley thing, then became a Murray thing. Riley introduced the clapping, and Murray took it to another level.
 
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