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SoonerLou

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Yup…. And plays just like this have occurred all year. Yet people like @SoonerLou refuse to acknowledge it’s a problem.
Comprehension problems? I said he hasnt found the open guy the last couple of games. And there was open obvious play against the Bears but he took his shot with the best WR in the league one on one recently as well. ONE play.

You dont complete 73% (at the time) without reading the field well. Lately he hasnt.

Speaking of short term memories Patrick Mahomes recently talked about being "Broken" cause he kept trying for the big play instead of taking the open man underneath.

Let it play out.
 

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So, Murray secretly sucked all season. The secret was the best kept secret ever as he rolled the Titans, Rams and beat the Niners. Three playoff teams. Got wins that have knocked the Browns and Vikings out of the playoffs and put the Cards in. All to effusive national praise.

That was one hell of a trick! Love it!

(PS: Yes, he has not played nearly as well since returning from injury.)
 

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Shane is officially a troll at this point, period. Loves making false blanket statements, to share his hatred for Kyler rather than seeing the many issues that this team has… several which have a direct factor into Kyler’s poor play.
Another one completely blind to anything Kyler…. Gotta love it….
 

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Comprehension problems? I said he hasnt found the open guy the last couple of games. And there was open obvious play against the Bears but he took his shot with the best WR in the league one on one recently as well. ONE play.

You dont complete 73% (at the time) without reading the field well. Lately he hasnt.

Speaking of short term memories Patrick Mahomes recently talked about being "Broken" cause he kept trying for the big play instead of taking the open man underneath.

Let it play out.
Listen Kyler was great the first 7 weeks no one can argue that and the numbers bear it out. However he was making bad reads and being hugely successful at completing passes that were a much higher degree of difficulty. Even when he had easier open WRs on the field. It was remarked about all the time in here by commentators etc….. Not even arguable. It wasn’t a big deal because he was still making the big play and making it count. Now he’s not making the big play and passing on those easier wide open WRs.

It Is now coming back to haunt him. His current numbers now reflect that. If you want to say it wasn’t happening just because he was able to actually make the big play on the tighter coverages fine there’s no point in arguing it. But he was doing it.
 

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Even Kirk was makiing catches that were just nails the first 8 weeks… Ever since he’s kind of disappeared. I’m assuming since no Dhop better CBs are rotating over to him?
he has disappeared because the QB cant throw him the ball when he's wide open.
 

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Do you have a link to some of your writings? I’d love to read them sometime
 

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If Andy Reid was the Cards’ coach they’d be qualified for the playoffs by now. He’s not perfect, but he’s way better than Kingsbury at game plans. Give him this roster, he’d dominate.
Good news, Kliff Kingsbury has qualified the Cards for the playoffs by now!

Limited depth is a GM problem we’ve been talking about for a minute. Josh Jones being a huge zero is killer. Trading Cole for a bag of magic beans doesn’t seem to brilliant anymore. Investing a first rounder in an off-ball linebacker who can’t see the field doesn’t seem like a great investment.

Even with all that, Conner was among the league leaders in rushing TDs until recently. That doesn’t happen when your o-line is total trash.

This roster is gonna look a lot different in the Wild Card round from the one who started 7-0.
 

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Shane is officially a troll at this point, period. Loves making false blanket statements, to share his hatred for Kyler rather than seeing the many issues that this team has… several which have a direct factor into Kyler’s poor play.
you put a competent QB like Dak, Rodgers, Allen, Brady, etc on this team and they dont collapse like they are now.

kyler is 100% of the problem, Its not the o-lines fault when he sails the ball or throws it at his wideouts feet.
 

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Good news, Kliff Kingsbury has qualified the Cards for the playoffs by now!

Limited depth is a GM problem we’ve been talking about for a minute. Josh Jones being a huge zero is killer. Trading Cole for a bag of magic beans doesn’t seem to brilliant anymore. Investing a first rounder in an off-ball linebacker who can’t see the field doesn’t seem like a great investment.

Even with all that, Conner was among the league leaders in rushing TDs until recently. That doesn’t happen when your o-line is total trash.

This roster is gonna look a lot different in the Wild Card round from the one who started 7-0.
True…. I’m guessing if the Rams lost AD and CK and their best OL for 6 weeks of the season they wouldn’t be where they are either. Because that’s essentially what our losses have been equal to. Few teams have the depth to just skate along like normal after losing JJ and Dhop. Heck JJ was out and we were still without Lawrence and Phillips for a stretch as well. There is only so much depth.
 

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Much time has been spent here dissecting KM's QB techniques.

Doesn't matter.

Whatever he 's doing isn't consistently working & it's got to.

Find the problem. Fix it. And let's go.
 

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you put a competent QB like Dak, Rodgers, Allen, Brady, etc on this team and they dont collapse like they are now.

kyler is 100% of the problem, Its not the o-lines fault when he sails the ball or throws it at his wideouts feet.
Kyler is not 100% of the problem. He’s maybe 40% of the problem. There’s plenty of blame to go around.
True…. I’m guessing if the Rams lost AD and CK and their best OL for 6 weeks of the season they wouldn’t be where they are either. Because that’s essentially what our losses have been equal to. Few teams have the depth to just skate along like normal after losing JJ and Dhop. Heck JJ was out and we were still without Lawrence and Phillips for a stretch as well. There is only so much depth.
People are acting like JJ Watt was an essential piece of this defense. He was fine, but he wasn’t contributing that much. The Rams did lose a great WR in Robert Woods (and maybe more important to their scheme) and have managed to bounce back.
 

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Listen Kyler was great the first 7 weeks no one can argue that and the numbers bear it out. However he was making bad reads and being hugely successful at completing passes that were a much higher degree of difficulty. Even when he had easier open WRs on the field. It was remarked about all the time in here by commentators etc….. Not even arguable. It wasn’t a big deal because he was still making the big play and making it count. Now he’s not making the big play and passing on those easier wide open WRs.

It Is now coming back to haunt him. His current numbers now reflect that. If you want to say it wasn’t happening just because he was able to actually make the big play on the tighter coverages fine there’s no point in arguing it. But he was doing it.
First off, it is arguable and not a fact that this was being said all the time by announcers and commenters. Yes, he hasn’t played well aside from the Chicago game since back from injury (or even when he went down with injury in GB)…

Fun fact, that is actually a FACT. Every single loss w Kyler aside from Rams, our starting Center, Hudson was not playing. Coincidence? I think not. We are 8-2 when he is in the line-up (Colt vs Carolina other loss). That’s literally how bad our offensive line is. Heck we even had our 3rd string center in for the GB game (although is Garcia even qualified to be a back up center?).

Aside from that, Hopkins was out 90% of the GB game… take that game out and we are 8-1 with Hopkins in the line-up. Coincidence? I think not.

Take away your only good Oline player and your #1 offensive of weapon and nearly every single QB in this league is going to dip in production (always an outlier game or situation..like GB not having throw the ball at all vs our crap run defense!).

Lastly - Kliffy does not run a pro style offense. Way too much lateral play calling and limited route trees, it’s not only apparent to the naked eye but has been proven before with route charts k this very message board.
 

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Listen Kyler was great the first 7 weeks no one can argue that and the numbers bear it out. However he was making bad reads and being hugely successful at completing passes that were a much higher degree of difficulty. Even when he had easier open WRs on the field. It was remarked about all the time in here by commentators etc….. Not even arguable. It wasn’t a big deal because he was still making the big play and making it count. Now he’s not making the big play and passing on those easier wide open WRs.

It Is now coming back to haunt him. His current numbers now reflect that. If you want to say it wasn’t happening just because he was able to actually make the big play on the tighter coverages fine there’s no point in arguing it. But he was doing it.
My thing is if you look at a lot of big plays QBs make you could probably find an open guy underneath as well. The issue is your lack of context. We had just spent an entire offseason about either Kyler is dumping the ball off underneath or forcing it to Hopkins. This year he was making greater reads and finding the matchups. My initial reply was to poster saying Hopkins was just bailing us out and thats not true this year.

There's a difference between just missing the open guy and forcing a throw into double coverage (like the last couple of games). Instead having an open guy underneath, but being able to isolate the matchup in the Cardinals favor. We got the matchup vs the coverages we wanted. Those are the plays you want. And as I've said before earlier in the year it was more or so Kyler not hitting those deep play matchups to take the safe throw underneath.

He had Hopkins deep vs the Rams and instead took Max Williams underneath to keep the chains moving.

I cant argue the last couple of games, but lets not act like its been egregious all year.
 

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Kyler is not 100% of the problem. He’s maybe 40% of the problem. There’s plenty of blame to go around.

People are acting like JJ Watt was an essential piece of this defense. He was fine, but he wasn’t contributing that much. The Rams did lose a great WR in Robert Woods (and maybe more important to their scheme) and have managed to bounce back.

They also lost their starting RB, Akers.

And anyone who thought Watt was going to make it through the season wasn’t being realistic so if we’re going to cite his injury as a reason why we’re not as good defensively, point the finger at the guy who gave him 15 million per year for 7 games. That’s another roster construction problem.
 

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