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People are acting like JJ Watt was an essential piece of this defense. He was fine, but he wasn’t contributing that much.
I don't know why you keep saying this, because it isn't true. JJ Watt from both a statistical/emotional/strategic standpoint was THE BIGGEST difference between this being a decent defense, and what we have now. To say he wasn't contributing much is just ridiculous.

If you don't believe me, have a read. This as been a totally different defense without Watt demanding double teams and penetrating. https://www.si.com/nfl/cardinals/news/what-needs-fixing-on-cardinals-defense
 

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I am convinced that the primary issue with the o-line is the fact that Kyler is 99% of the time, operating from the shot-gun and uses his stupid clapping sequence to signal for the hike. It is awkward, confusing and dysfunctional. Offensive lineman need consistency, rhythm and reliability. To have to listen for a certain clap sequence to then know it's ok to fire... it's clearly a HUGE issue. And I'm certain it frustrates the hell out of the o-linemen.
Nothing is in sequence. Nothing is reliable. Nothing is on time. And it's due in great part to the fact that Kyler isn't comfy when under center. Ughhhh...


That's not just Kyler though that's Kliff's offense. Remember the Raiders preseason game the first year of KK when the ref didn't agree with the earlier NFL ruling and kept calling false starts on Kyler for simulated snap by clapping but not getting the ball? That was all Kliff he said they'd literally invited the NFL to camp to review it and the NFL did and said it was ok. That's Kliff's offense. Murray likes it too but a big reason Kyler hasn't taken snaps under C much in the NFL is Kliff doesn't want him to.

I agree it's a big reason for false starts and all the bad snaps and it's why we have a hard time drawing guys offsides and getting the call, because they're afraid to do fake claps because the ref might call it on us, or someone might jump or snap the ball early.
 

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One important think, Steve Keim is equally to blame for a roster that is near play off capable only under perfect circumstances
 

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Even Kirk was makiing catches that were just nails the first 8 weeks… Ever since he’s kind of disappeared. I’m assuming since no Dhop better CBs are rotating over to him?
But a better cb didn’t cause him to drop that long ball. He’s just reverting to form.
 

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Kyler is not 100% of the problem. He’s maybe 40% of the problem. There’s plenty of blame to go around.

People are acting like JJ Watt was an essential piece of this defense. He was fine, but he wasn’t contributing that much. The Rams did lose a great WR in Robert Woods (and maybe more important to their scheme) and have managed to bounce back.
They also added OBJ at exactly the moment they lost woods. And I think you undersell the impact watt had in spite of his numbers. That said all these issues (depth and relying on aging free agents with injury histories) are on keim.
 

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That's not just Kyler though that's Kliff's offense. Remember the Raiders preseason game the first year of KK when the ref didn't agree with the earlier NFL ruling and kept calling false starts on Kyler for simulated snap by clapping but not getting the ball? That was all Kliff he said they'd literally invited the NFL to camp to review it and the NFL did and said it was ok. That's Kliff's offense. Murray likes it too but a big reason Kyler hasn't taken snaps under C much in the NFL is Kliff doesn't want him to.

I agree it's a big reason for false starts and all the bad snaps and it's why we have a hard time drawing guys offsides and getting the call, because they're afraid to do fake claps because the ref might call it on us, or someone might jump or snap the ball early.
I still don’t understand the clap. It literally allows the defense to know the snap count as quickly as the oline.
 

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I know that Kyler needs way more help than he should at this point in his career. That said, you have to get him it because he is your best chance to win.

I know getting Kyler this help is going to take away from our ability to acquire veteran talent on defense. Not enough money for both.

I know that Keim sucks at drafting and the Cardinals seems to suck at developing young players. It's a bit of both. This is going to make filling out a roster very difficult when money is tight (which it will be when Kyler is paid).
 

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I still don’t understand the clap. It literally allows the defense to know the snap count as quickly as the oline.

They're supposed to be able to use the clap like a hut so Kyler can clap once and it doesn't mean snap the snap count might be teh 2nd clap. The problem is it's pretty clear the OL gets confused, even the C does, and frankly it happens enough I think Kyler does sometimes too.
That Raiders preseason game created concerns the first year. Since then the NFL has agreed that the clap is ok but I think its' pretty clear part of why we are false starting so often is the OL struggles with the clap.

And it's just harder to fake with a clap than it is with your voice.

I think getting to where we can run plays under C even a fraction of the time will help the OL.
 

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They're supposed to be able to use the clap like a hut so Kyler can clap once and it doesn't mean snap the snap count might be teh 2nd clap. The problem is it's pretty clear the OL gets confused, even the C does, and frankly it happens enough I think Kyler does sometimes too.
That Raiders preseason game created concerns the first year. Since then the NFL has agreed that the clap is ok but I think its' pretty clear part of why we are false starting so often is the OL struggles with the clap.

And it's just harder to fake with a clap than it is with your voice.

I think getting to where we can run plays under C even a fraction of the time will help the OL.
I can’t recall the last time I saw kyler clap twice thereby simulating an actual snap count.
 

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I can’t recall the last time I saw kyler clap twice thereby simulating an actual snap count.


He actually does but it's usually late in the clock which makes me wonder if it's the count or if he's clapping to make sure the C knows snap the ball before the clock hits 0?
 

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I don't know why you keep saying this, because it isn't true. JJ Watt from both a statistical/emotional/strategic standpoint was THE BIGGEST difference between this being a decent defense, and what we have now. To say he wasn't contributing much is just ridiculous.

If you don't believe me, have a read. This as been a totally different defense without Watt demanding double teams and penetrating. https://www.si.com/nfl/cardinals/news/what-needs-fixing-on-cardinals-defense
We went from a Top 5 offense to a pretty middling one. He was playing like an adequate starter, which is fines. But you were comparing him to Aaron Donald, which is ridiculous.
 

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If Andy Reid was the Cards’ coach they’d be qualified for the playoffs by now. He’s not perfect, but he’s way better than Kingsbury at game plans. Give him this roster, he’d dominate.

If the Cards have a transcendent player, it’s not Murray. Hopkins is why this team dominated. Without him Murray looks confused and maybe even scared.

Looking ahead it’s hard to project the Cards’ draft/free agent targets. Both lines are in disarray. Corners and linebackers present several issues. On offense they have several expiring contracts. Fortunately, Hopkins isn’t one of them.

Kugler has been unable to produce a solid O-line this year. Injuries have hurt but every team has them. They seem to lack the ability to drive block for the running game and they have yet to master creating a solid pocket.

That said, the pocket was good enough for McCoy to use, but Murray shows little interest.

I can’t recall seeing Murray hang in and take a hit to complete a pass. Victory sometimes requires QBs who are willing to pay that price.

Clock management, including TO usage, is one of the hardest skills for a coach to master.

If the defense fails to stop a play, run it again. Maybe not immediately but in the same game.

The Cards will make more off-season roster changes than any other playoff team.
Well that wouldn’t be an upgrade. We have qualified now too. Lol
 

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We went from a Top 5 offense to a pretty middling one. He was playing like an adequate starter, which is fines.
He wasn't, but it's ok if you keep saying it. Showing the relationship between his injury and the performance of the D ever since is obviously coincidence.

But you were comparing him to Aaron Donald, which is ridiculous.
Making stuff up is even more ridiculous. You somehow conflated a post with me saying "I saw that Donald had like 11 hurries and that our D-line had around 10." to comparing Watt to Aaron Donald?

Weak sauce.
 

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I am convinced that the primary issue with the o-line is the fact that Kyler is 99% of the time, operating from the shot-gun and uses his stupid clapping sequence to signal for the hike. It is awkward, confusing and dysfunctional. Offensive lineman need consistency, rhythm and reliability. To have to listen for a certain clap sequence to then know it's ok to fire... it's clearly a HUGE issue. And I'm certain it frustrates the hell out of the o-linemen.
Nothing is in sequence. Nothing is reliable. Nothing is on time. And it's due in great part to the fact that Kyler isn't comfy when under center. Ughhhh...
I can't stand the clapping thing. To me, it's a college move. The question is: is it something Kyler wants to do or is it part of Kliff's system?
You're in the NFL now. Time to grow up.
 

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