The Case for Trading the Third Pick

[Harry]

who are you hearing this from? our pass rush was WORSE last year than it was the year before when it was terrible and that was AFTER adding Sweat and Campbell... and next year they won't even have Campbell and likely not a healthy Walter Nolen who tore his ACL at the end of last season.

Best I can offer is more detail. Campbell will be pursued by the Cards and has not submitted retirement papers. The feeling about the coaching of Gannon/Rallis was that they simply weren’t aggressive with an attacking defense. They played not to lose. Certainly the loss of Nolen hurts, but he will return at some point in the season. In retrospect I should have been clearer that I wasn’t trying to say the pass rush was good, just that it could have been significantly better with more stunts, blitzes and not just 4 man rushes. With the Oline debacle the feeling is it had to be addressed first, especially with the QB starter up in the air. Nobody is expecting the pass rush to lead the league, but it could be better. The Oline situation is desperate

 

[AZ Native]

I dunno Harry...
If we can score a 2nd to move off 3...maybe get around 18 or so...

Then grab a starting RT in the first...with our first 2nd, we grab a college OT that needs to move to guard...
Then with our extra 2nd...grab an OC...
Move Frodo to right guard...start rookies at LG,Center, and RT...the first three picks...
The competition could be fierce if Hernandez is fully recovered, and Jon Gaines is really ready to step in at Center...
Scarey to start so many rooks on the line...but Jacoby is a trooper...
But this is a decent draft to get three of linemen in the top 50 picks..
Fix the issue and be done with it

If, not going to happen this draft.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Let’s see if monti can cook. Any day 2 pick would be a deal for us given that Murray is not only worthless to us but is also keeping us in cap hell

 

[Chopper0080]

Let’s see if monti can cook. Any day 2 pick would be a deal for us given that Murray is not only worthless to us but is also keeping us in cap hell

We have tasted Monti’s cooking these past three years…it tastes like crap.

 

[Stout]

Let’s see if monti can cook. Any day 2 pick would be a deal for us given that Murray is not only worthless to us but is also keeping us in cap hell

If? Monti has the cooking skills of a teenage boy taking a home ec class for the first time.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

If? Monti has the cooking skills of a teenage boy taking a home ec class for the first time.

Haha - well aware of what a 3-14 meal taste like. Let’s say it’s a big “if”.

Still stand by any day 2 pick for Kyler would be awesome

 

[TheCardFan]

The Monti slander is extreme

For the first time in modern history, every player the Cardinals drafted in the last three years was still on the team through 2025. The majority of them have also contributed.

Two big issues with Monti's drafts:

1) Injuries
2) Two trades that didn't work out. The PJJ trade down vs Will Anderson and the trade down that was too far down where he got burned by a CB run - drafted Max Melton.

Free agency is another story - terrible performance.

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[football karma]

i am a trade down proponent pretty much all the time. Even for the best GMs, draft picks are a crap shoot so its best to have more chances.

that said: GMs better be aware of where the talent drops off.


this is also a weird draft at the top -- the cleanest players are a RB, a Safety and probably the best WR. It feels like after Mendoza, all the next players would have gone after pick 12 in last year's draft

 

[Stout]

The Monti slander is extreme

For the first time in modern history, every player the Cardinals drafted in the last three years was still on the team through 2025. The majority of them have also contributed.

Two big issues with Monti's drafts:

1) Injuries
2) Two trades that didn't work out. The PJJ trade down vs Will Anderson and the trade down that was too far down where he got burned by a CB run - drafted Max Melton.

Free agency is another story - terrible performance.

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Uh, those two trades not working out are an absolute killer. Also, who GAF if all the drafted players are on the team? There's an argument that could be made that this is a negative, because we're so bad we're retaining literally everyone we draft.

The Monti slander is spot on. He hasn't done a good job here. You think he has, though. What stars has he drafted? What part of the team is much stronger than before? What holes did we have before that are still holes now?

 

[Stout]

i am a trade down proponent pretty much all the time. Even for the best GMs, draft picks are a crap shoot so its best to have more chances.

that said: GMs better be aware of where the talent drops off.


this is also a weird draft at the top -- the cleanest players are a RB, a Safety and probably the best WR. It feels like after Mendoza, all the next players would have gone after pick 12 in last year's draft

Super great way to lose out on top talent. I'm sure you were thrilled we traded out of the Suggs pick.

 

[Zalixar]

Super great way to lose out on top talent. I'm sure you were thrilled we traded out of the Suggs pick.

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[TheCardFan]

Also, who GAF if all the drafted players are on the team?

Uh...everyone? It's never happened for the Cardinals before and we have had some super untalented teams over the last 5 decades.

My point is the slander is extreme - not completely unwarranted but extreme.

 

[Stout]

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Magic beans!

 

[Stout]

Uh...everyone? It's never happened for the Cardinals before and we have had some super untalented teams over the last 5 decades.

My point is the slander is extreme - not completely unwarranted but extreme.

Extreme? Eh, he has done very little I've liked and an overwhelming majority of his moves have annoyed me and failed. Okay, I'll grant this: We have more depth because of him. Much better depth. Can you concede that he has to be much, much better this offseason than in the last 3?

 

[Zalixar]

Magic beans!

Yeah, but magic beans ended up making Jack extremely rich.

 

[TheCardFan]

Extreme? Eh, he has done very little I've liked and an overwhelming majority of his moves have annoyed me and failed. Okay, I'll grant this: We have more depth because of him. Much better depth. Can you concede that he has to be much, much better this offseason than in the last 3?

Agree on his failed moves (draft trades and free agency) and that the depth is much better.

I think his draft picks have been mostly solid across the board - injuries have really hurt.
His free agency signings have been pretty bad for the most part with a few exceptions

Does he need to be better overall this off-season - of course.
We need impact players and a QBOF.

 

[oaken1]

If? Monti has the cooking skills of a teenage boy taking a home ec class for the first time.

in cooking, 80% is about the prep...and Monti's prep cooks failed to properly prepare the dishes.
Im all in for allowing him to choose another team of prep cooks...because..."I"..and my limited knowledge and skill,...have evaluated many of these players Monti has drafted and/or signed....and many of them are more talented than what we are getting on the field.

one might claim Monti picked JG...maybe...

but , drooling over getting a defensive coordinator whose defense just carried Philly to the Super Bowl...I can totally see mikey drooling over that opportunity...and we know mike has hired guys at HC with caveats before.

so lets see...it might suck,yeah...but it has sucked for like 47 of the last 50 years...so there is no reason to not see if the dude can right the ship and get a coach that will develop his picks....and maybe a trrainer that wont set our guys up for leg injuries.

 

[schutd]

in cooking, 80% is about the prep...and Monti's prep cooks failed to properly prepare the dishes.
Im all in for allowing him to choose another team of prep cooks...because..."I"..and my limited knowledge and skill,...have evaluated many of these players Monti has drafted and/or signed....and many of them are more talented than what we are getting on the field.

one might claim Monti picked JG...maybe...

but , drooling over getting a defensive coordinator whose defense just carried Philly to the Super Bowl...I can totally see mikey drooling over that opportunity...and we know mike has hired guys at HC with caveats before.

so lets see...it might suck,yeah...but it has sucked for like 47 of the last 50 years...so there is no reason to not see if the dude can right the ship and get a coach that will develop his picks....and maybe a trrainer that wont set our guys up for leg injuries.

Nothing makes a professional cook happier than listening to a bunch of armchair quarterbacks use cooking analogies to make a point..

 

[some dumb guy]

What part of the team is much stronger than before?

The crew that picks the players up off the ground and puts them on the cart... LOL

 

[some dumb guy]

Nothing makes a professional cook happier than listening to a bunch of armchair quarterbacks use cooking analogies to make a point..

lol....besides, it's incorporating the right combination of spices..
am I right Chef?
eat any piece of meat without some sort of spice vs meat with even just salt and pepper...
The cardinals need a lot of spices!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IF Dallas offered its 2027 first rounder would totally trade down

its about getting ammo to get a QB in that draft

I’m of this mindset. We are going to stink next season. Trade down and add a 2027 first. Trade down again and add another 2027 first. Hopefully get a couple second rounders (one this year and another next) and maybe a third rounder. So you’ve got a really late first this year plus two seconds and two thirds this year to try to build an oline. Next year you’ve got three firsts and two seconds to ensure you can corral your desired QBOF. Do it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There’s no one in this draft to trade up for.

Caleb Downs & Love are incredible, but nobody is trading up to 3 for a Safety or RB.

That’s why in the absence of being able to do what I just said I draft love.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This class is so ass as a whole that I’m starting to be talked into Caleb Downs at 3.

Again, if we can’t stockpile for next year, love and then downs. Take the impact player. Particularly when there are so few.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Some people wanted Anderson sure.

However, if you wanted to tell me that you had the FORESIGHT to know that Houston would go to the AFC divisional round, devaluing their pick, you might as well buy a PowerBall...

No I had the FORESIGHT to know that we wouldn’t end up with a package we’d value more than Anderson.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sure, they could have thought it was a bad idea, but then the Houston pick could have been #1 and they would have been wrong. It's quite simple.

Correct. And just as you state, we would have been WRONG. What the opposite of “wrong?” It’s right. What happened? The opposite of what you said could have happened. So what did that make us? It made us RIGHT.

The definition of for foresight:
Foresight is the ability to anticipate what’s coming and act wisely before it arrives.

we would have stood pat and taken Anderson. Pretty much sounds like “anticipating what’s coming and acting wisely before it arrives,” no?