The Case for Trading the Third Pick

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I’m not advocating for taking a RT. It’s just that quite a few people who have solid history of predicting drafts are convinced that’s how the Cards will play it. If they went Edge, I’d be okay with your guy Bailey. I’m just hearing they think the pass rush was good enough with better coaching. They may not take an Edge at all, though they’re not opposed to a FA rusher, but not someone with a Sweat price tag. Whoever the new coach is the thinking seems to be Oline & WRs. Don’t be shocked if Murray is the QB. In the end I’ve run a few dozen scenarios with friends and a small move down likely still nets Mauigoa if they insist on a RT. Fano is more highly rated though it’s debated. I simply can’t see using a three on a RT. If they stay put I like Bailey. He’s the safest choice. Reese and Bain are major gambles, but they do have huge upsides. It’s a tough draft.

Listening to the talking heads on nfl radio - the draft “experts” as they’ve been watching the senior bowl practices, the keep stating that Bailey will begin as only a situational guy - and here’s the scary follow up comment I keep hearing - and that “it’s all he ever may be.” For the third pick? Yikes.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So you're in favor of the Suggs Plan, I see. No freaking thank you.

I don’t see Suggs in this draft.

 

[Totally_Red]

Listening to the talking heads on nfl radio - the draft “experts” as they’ve been watching the senior bowl practices, the keep stating that Bailey will begin as only a situational guy - and here’s the scary follow up comment I keep hearing - and that “it’s all he ever may be.” For the third pick? Yikes.

And a right tackle plays every offensive down.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Correct. And just as you state, we would have been WRONG. What the opposite of “wrong?” It’s right. What happened? The opposite of what you said could have happened. So what did that make us? It made us RIGHT.

The definition of for foresight:
Foresight is the ability to anticipate what’s coming and act wisely before it arrives.

we would have stood pat and taken Anderson. Pretty much sounds like “anticipating what’s coming and acting wisely before it arrives,” no?

How did you anticipate that Houston's pick would be 27th overall?

 

[GatorAZ]

I don’t see Suggs in this draft.

9 teams passed on Suggs. We need to see what Bailey runs with added weight.

 

[oaken1]

Nothing makes a professional cook happier than listening to a bunch of armchair quarterbacks use cooking analogies to make a point..

okay...

in "MY" cooking,...its all about the prep

But, I was taught by my dad...who was a professional cook....6 years of school...50 years in the kitchen. about a decade worth at MGM...
Pops was an individual..all that schooling,...amazing skill at preparing food...all so he could spend his life working at Diners, Casinos, truck stops, etc..
dude had a particular lifestyle and apparently these types of establishments were well populated with folks who shared the same lifestyle?? I dunno...
dude was a mediocre dad...but an awesome cook! LOL

 

[oaken1]

Correct. And just as you state, we would have been WRONG. What the opposite of “wrong?” It’s right. What happened? The opposite of what you said could have happened. So what did that make us? It made us RIGHT.

The definition of for foresight:
Foresight is the ability to anticipate what’s coming and act wisely before it arrives.

we would have stood pat and taken Anderson. Pretty much sounds like “anticipating what’s coming and acting wisely before it arrives,” no?

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equal relevance equal measure

 

[Crimson Warrior]

What the **** is happening to the board today? Jesus.

 

[schutd]

okay...

in "MY" cooking,...its all about the prep

But, I was taught by my dad...who was a professional cook....6 years of school...50 years in the kitchen. about a decade worth at MGM...
Pops was an individual..all that schooling,...amazing skill at preparing food...all so he could spend his life working at Diners, Casinos, truck stops, etc..
dude had a particular lifestyle and apparently these types of establishments were well populated with folks who shared the same lifestyle?? I dunno...
dude was a mediocre dad...but an awesome cook! LOL

Awesome cooks are, at best, mediocre dads. But we try our best.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And a right tackle plays every offensive down.

Yeah but there isn’t an elite right tackle available.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How did you anticipate that Houston's pick would be 27th overall?

We didn’t anticipate the slot. We anticipated that the return wouldn’t equal Andersen. And we were right.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

9 teams passed on Suggs. We need to see what Bailey runs with added weight.

And at the time I thought most were wrong to do so. And I was right.

 

[Harry]

Listening to the talking heads on nfl radio - the draft “experts” as they’ve been watching the senior bowl practices, the keep stating that Bailey will begin as only a situational guy - and here’s the scary follow up comment I keep hearing - and that “it’s all he ever may be.” For the third pick? Yikes.

That concern has been raised. For most of his tenure he did not do a good job of setting the edge. However, his last half dozen games showed considerable improvement and better physicality. So the question is can the right HC/DC keep him engaged in that part of the job? If what your looking for is a pass rusher, he’s the surest thing in the draft. Again this comes back to the RT being the Cards’ focus and an increased possibility for picking up another pick for a short move down. The only question that concerns me is how far is it safe to drop?

 

[Chopper0080]

Listening to the talking heads on nfl radio - the draft “experts” as they’ve been watching the senior bowl practices, the keep stating that Bailey will begin as only a situational guy - and here’s the scary follow up comment I keep hearing - and that “it’s all he ever may be.” For the third pick? Yikes.

They could have info that I don’t have but I have no clue where this is coming from.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

rams ranked 6th in rushing with 126 ypg- im just sayin

 

[Stout]

rams ranked 6th in rushing with 126 ypg- im just sayin

Hey, if ML says he wants the RB at #3, I hope we listen.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Hey, if ML says he wants the RB at #3, I hope we listen.

It's a whole new world with ML as coach

Looking forward to an improved offense

And hoping he can bring in a strong DC

 

[MadCardDisease]

Best I can offer is more detail. Campbell will be pursued by the Cards and has not submitted retirement papers. The feeling about the coaching of Gannon/Rallis was that they simply weren’t aggressive with an attacking defense. They played not to lose. Certainly the loss of Nolen hurts, but he will return at some point in the season. In retrospect I should have been clearer that I wasn’t trying to say the pass rush was good, just that it could have been significantly better with more stunts, blitzes and not just 4 man rushes. With the Oline debacle the feeling is it had to be addressed first, especially with the QB starter up in the air. Nobody is expecting the pass rush to lead the league, but it could be better. The Oline situation is desperate

That's exactly what I have been saying. Going into this season I thought there was zero chance that Gannon wouldn't make it to year 4. Then his entire staff turtled and started to play not to lose and lost their edge. After watching that epic collapse I want an aggressive DC which has me leaning towards Weaver and his attacking defense that creates turnovers.

 

[Syracusecards]

oh my lord... because we didn't learn our lesson in 2023.

How about we actually have a GM who can take advantage of picking that high and actually get someone who can make a freaking impact?

I will never understand how people forget how Jimmy Johnson built the Dallas Cowboys into back-to-back Super Bowl teams. He traded down constantly and acquired picks.

we absolutely should have traded back instead of selecting Marvin Harrison. If you have a staff that can evaluate talent, you’re much more likely to get good players from 12 guys than seven.

if Houston sucked like we thought they were going to, we would’ve been in a great position for the draft. unfortunately, they didn’t.

I am hoping they trade back and keep trading back and just acquire a ton of future picks.

this is a rebuilding year. We have no hope so let’s get after the future.

 

[Zalixar]

I will never understand how people forget how Jimmy Johnson built the Dallas Cowboys into back-to-back Super Bowl teams. He traded down constantly and acquired picks.

we absolutely should have traded back instead of selecting Marvin Harrison. If you have a staff that can evaluate talent, you’re much more likely to get good players from 12 guys than seven.

if Houston sucked like we thought they were going to, we would’ve been in a great position for the draft. unfortunately, they didn’t.

I am hoping they trade back and keep trading back and just acquire a ton of future picks.

this is a rebuilding year. We have no hope so let’s get after the future.

Yeah, but that was on the back of the worst trade in the history of all trades, or best if you were the Cowboys.

There was lots of wheeling and dealing, as they ended up trading up for Smith with one of the Vikes picks. Fleeced the Saints with Walsh, and traded up to get Maryland in 91. Irvin was already on the roster before Jimmy got there.

They landed the picks in general, which is the main key.

The circumstances of that Cowboys run will never happen again.

 

[Syracusecards]

Yeah, but that was on the back of the worst trade in the history of all trades, or best if you were the Cowboys.

There was lots of wheeling and dealing, as they ended up trading up for Smith with one of the Vikes picks. Fleeced the Saints with Walsh, and traded up to get Maryland in 91. Irvin was already on the roster before Jimmy got there.

They landed the picks in general, which is the main key.

The circumstances of that Cowboys run will never happen again.

disagree. There is always an Owner out there that thinks they’re one draft pick away.

 

[Zalixar]

disagree. There is always an Owner out there that thinks they’re one draft pick away.

Nope, just won't happen. Teams aren't that dumb like they were before, especially because of this, Ricky Williams, etc. They can still be dumb, but nothing on the scale to compare to the Cowboys. Especially since your premise was trading down to acquire picks, when instead Cowboys were granted a ton of extra picks and traded UP to build their team

It also wasn't just "one player away." In addition to everything else, the Vikings also offered compensation for players that were not on the Cowboys roster. So they cut all players and received even more compensation.

No one will ever be as dumb as the Vikings

 

[Harry]

I will never understand how people forget how Jimmy Johnson built the Dallas Cowboys into back-to-back Super Bowl teams. He traded down constantly and acquired picks.

we absolutely should have traded back instead of selecting Marvin Harrison. If you have a staff that can evaluate talent, you’re much more likely to get good players from 12 guys than seven.

if Houston sucked like we thought they were going to, we would’ve been in a great position for the draft. unfortunately, they didn’t.

I am hoping they trade back and keep trading back and just acquire a ton of future picks.

this is a rebuilding year. We have no hope so let’s get after the future.

Johnson’s big contribution was his trade chart, though crude, helped them make quicker decisions more confidently. It was a huge revelation.

 

[Chopper0080]

I will never understand how people forget how Jimmy Johnson built the Dallas Cowboys into back-to-back Super Bowl teams. He traded down constantly and acquired picks.

we absolutely should have traded back instead of selecting Marvin Harrison. If you have a staff that can evaluate talent, you’re much more likely to get good players from 12 guys than seven.

if Houston sucked like we thought they were going to, we would’ve been in a great position for the draft. unfortunately, they didn’t.

I am hoping they trade back and keep trading back and just acquire a ton of future picks.

this is a rebuilding year. We have no hope so let’s get after the future.

If you can get a Herschel Walker deal...sure...but I am not seeing one of those out there.

The other thing is that JJ made most of his success in the top 100 picks, Monti has not been able to replicate it despite having a bunch of picks in that area. Monti is no JJ.