In a draft like this, the Cardinals should probably trade back.

[Chopper0080]

If you are of the mind that this draft is limited in top end talent, and you have a wide range of needs, you probably should look at moving back because adding picks makes fringe prospects better values. I won't be shocke if this is the case when the Cardinals pick. Eli Harold, Owa Odigizuwa, and Preston Smith all fill a need, but unless you value one significantly more than the other, why not move back. If Kevin Johnson is close to Byron Jones or Marcus Peters, move back. I can't see a player being available who doesn't come with big question marks or where there isn't a bunching in value. So, the question is who are the players that are worth taking when considering the drop off to the next guy available?

Todd Gurley
Cameron Erving
Randy Gregory

...and that is it. The CBs all bunch together as do the LBs (ILB and OLB). Melvin Gordon and Tevin Coleman are close IMO as well.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The question to me would be, how do we make to valuable to some other team? I guess they'd really have to have a need they could fill with #24.

 

[WildBB]

If you are of the mind that this draft is limited in top end talent, and you have a wide range of needs, you probably should look at moving back because adding picks makes fringe prospects better values. I won't be shocke if this is the case when the Cardinals pick. Eli Harold, Owa Odigizuwa, and Preston Smith all fill a need, but unless you value one significantly more than the other, why not move back. If Kevin Johnson is close to Byron Jones or Marcus Peters, move back. I can't see a player being available who doesn't come with big question marks or where there isn't a bunching in value. So, the question is who are the players that are worth taking when considering the drop off to the next guy available?

Todd Gurley
Cameron Erving
Randy Gregory

...and that is it. The CBs all bunch together as do the LBs (ILB and OLB). Melvin Gordon and Tevin Coleman are close IMO as well.

Erving is bunched in with Collins, Flowers, Peat and maybe Humphries and Clemmings for our needs as well, imo.

NE has all kinds of picks. Ravens have a few in the 3rd Rd. too.

Let me throw one more name at you. Breshad Perriman.

http://gbnreport.com/2015-nfl-draft-player-rankings/top-100-players/

 

[NMCard]

I would not be surprised if they did something similar to last years draft if the player they want is gone. Trade down a few spots and pick up a 3rd or 4th. Maybe cowboys or saints?

 

[Chopper0080]

The question to me would be, how do we make to valuable to some other team? I guess they'd really have to have a need they could fill with #24.

There are stupid front offices all over the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

Erving is bunched in with Collins, Flowers, Peat and maybe Humphries and Clemmings for our needs as well, imo.

NE has all kinds of picks. Ravens have a few in the 3rd Rd. too.

Let me throw one more name at you. Breshad Perriman.

http://gbnreport.com/2015-nfl-draft-player-rankings/top-100-players/

If you believe Erving is head and shoulders above every other C, and he ranks high on your board, you take him. If his playing C doesn't elevate him above those other players you mentioned, then you don't.

Perriman...would be a guy who I would consider if I traded back. Put him on a list of 5 to 10 guys you are willing to take at the spot you are trading down to. That being said, I look at him and Strong from ASU, and I think they are close in terms of risk vs potential. Perriman has more potential, but also more risk. Strong has less potential but also less risk.

 

[Chopper0080]

I would not be surprised if they did something similar to last years draft if the player they want is gone. Trade down a few spots and pick up a 3rd or 4th. Maybe cowboys or saints?

Yup, I'm guessing this is the type of move they will look at unless someone really drops far and is worth the risk.

Guys who may drop...Shane Ray, Todd Gurley, Randy Gregory, Danny Shelton.

 

[MrYeahBut]

There are stupid front offices all over the NFL.

At least is doesn't seem that way anymore with the Cards front office. What a relief from years gone by.

 

[WildBB]

If you believe Erving is head and shoulders above every other C, and he ranks high on your board, you take him. If his playing C doesn't elevate him above those other players you mentioned, then you don't.

Perriman...would be a guy who I would consider if I traded back. Put him on a list of 5 to 10 guys you are willing to take at the spot you are trading down to. That being said, I look at him and Strong from ASU, and I think they are close in terms of risk vs potential. Perriman has more potential, but also more risk. Strong has less potential but also less risk.

I'd agree 100% all around. They did bring him in.

 

[Chopper0080]

At least is doesn't seem that way anymore with the Cards front office. What a relief from years gone by.

Yes, we have been that team in the past, and thankfully, aren't that team right now.

Honestly, with all of the uncertainty of the draft, and the dependence on the cost savings of having drafted players on the roster, when in doubt, trade back. The more lottery tickets you buy, the better chance you have to win.

 

[WildBB]

I also believe they have Gordon pretty high up from what I hear from those close to FO.

 

[Buckybird]

Perriman...would be a guy who I would consider if I traded back. Put him on a list of 5 to 10 guys you are willing to take at the spot you are trading down to. That being said, I look at him and Strong from ASU, and I think they are close in terms of risk vs potential. Perriman has more potential, but also more risk. Strong has less potential but also less risk.

Something tells me Perriman has bust written across his forehead.

 

[kerouac9]

I think this is probably true. You have to have a trade up partner to move back, of course. And you have to be willing to settle for the moral equivalent of Bucannon instead of a player at a position of greater need.

 

[oaken1]

with the rare exception of a sure fire cant miss sitting ahead of us......we get these types of threads every year....well, every year we aint picking in the top ten anyway.

I dunno,...maybe they should trade back and continue to build the roster....or maybe they should trade up and get that one guy that puts us over the top....if they decide that guy is actually there anyway.

If I were to trade our #1 I don't think I would do it as a move back....instead,... I would trade it outright for somebodies #1 next year....and maybe their #2 and #4 this year.

having 2 #1's next draft puts us in position to move around and make a play to get a Lambo....because we have not done so well so far trying to find a Porsche in the Pinto lot.

but it also adds value picks in this draft....maybe trade both 4's and a 6th to somebody else for their 3....that would give us 2 2nds and 2 3rds in this draft,...then 2 1st's next year.

I dunno....just do not see a whole lot to be moving around for in this draft....be better to move that equity to next years draft IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think this is probably true. You have to have a trade up partner to move back, of course. And you have to be willing to settle for the moral equivalent of Bucannon instead of a player at a position of greater need.

Agreed. I just look at who may be available on paper, and I'm not sure a ton differentiates the players.

Melvin Gordon
Tevin Coleman
Jalen Strong
Breshad Perriman
TJ Clemmings
Le'al Collins
Malcolm Brown
Jordan Phillips
Arik Armstead
Carl Davis
Preston Smith
Owa Odig
Eli Harold
Eric Kendricks
Shaq Thompson
Trae Waynes
Kevin Johnson
Marcus Peters
Byron Smith

Is there any of these guys who are an additional 3rd or 4th round pick better than the others? That is the question that needs to be asked.

 

[juza76]

last tear we traded our first pick ,for few spots,and we got an additional 3th rounder
a team with higher pick just a couple of spot later traded back in the first round and got an additional 2nd
they didnt have the player they wanted so they were happy to get just anpther 3th round pick,they didnt use too much leverage
probably they have been in discussion with new orleans even earlier then draft day

 

[gmabel830]

I think a trade back is a likely scenario, and Wolf seems to think so too on the radio this morning..

Also, I heard the Cards aren't willing to give up their first for Peterson, but the Vikings think the Cards second "feels like a third"... what if the Cards traded down into the early to mid second and picked up an extra pick or two, and then traded that early-mid second to the Vikings for Peterson.. so you'd essentially be trading your first round pick for Peterson plus some extra picks (probably 3rd or 4th round?). What would people think of that?

 

[WildBB]

I think a trade back is a likely scenario, and Wolf seems to think so too on the radio this morning..

Also, I heard the Cards aren't willing to give up their first for Peterson, but the Vikings think the Cards second "feels like a third"... what if the Cards traded down into the early to mid second and picked up an extra pick or two, and then traded that early-mid second to the Vikings for Peterson.. so you'd essentially be trading your first round pick for Peterson plus some extra picks (probably 3rd or 4th round?). What would people think of that?

Don't like it. I'm wobbly even on our 2nd.

 

[football karma]

a scenario i think is realistic:

lets start by assuming for one reason or another, Melvin Gordon isnt the Cards guy and he is there at #24

rumors are that Dallas and Balt are both really interested. One of those may want to trade up to jump ahead of the other.

 

[WildBB]

a scenario i think is realistic:

lets start by assuming for one reason or another, Melvin Gordon isnt the Cards guy and he is there at #24

rumors are that Dallas and Balt are both really interested. One of those may want to trade up to jump ahead of the other.

Or even ahead of us. They know we have a need there. I think NE is our best bet for a trade.

But maybe one of the teams is already talking to us. Alot of these scenario's are worked out ahead of time.

 

[football karma]

Or even ahead of us. They know we have a need there. I think NE is our best bet for a trade.

But maybe one of the teams is already talking to us. Alot of these scenario's are worked out ahead of time.

NE is rarely a trade-upper --- typically they go down

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Don't like it. I'm wobbly even on our 2nd.

I would rather have a young solid number two corner for peanuts. PJ Wiliams

 

[DoTheDew]

Don't like it. I'm wobbly even on our 2nd.

How about 1st+4th for Vikings 2nd (45)+Peterson? You move down 21 spots and give up a 4th for Peterson.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I could easily see a trade down. I think the they will unless someone falls into their laps at 24. I used to want to trade up for Ray, and still would to a point, but he seems to be sliding a bit.

 

[WildBB]

How about 1st+4th for Vikings 2nd (45)+Peterson? You move down 21 spots and give up a 4th for Peterson.

Get on the hot line to Keim.