I cant see how anyone can say that Josh Allen is a top QB prospect

[AZCrazy]

You need an elite quarterback to remain a consistent contender. The only question is whether Cousins in an elite quarterback.
If he's not, don't chase him. If he is, no price is too high.

 

[oaken1]

I think Rosen & Lamar will be good from the jump.

Baker will be up & down his rookie year, but he’ll hit his stride after that.

Just not fully sold on Darnold. If Jackson was having the season Darnold is having, he would get talked about as a 6th rounder.

Josh Allen shouldn’t even be drafted.

Sam Darnolds year
...........G....cmp..att..%...yds..............TD..INT...QBR
SO QB 13 277 435 63.7 3787 8.7 8.7 26 12 151.0

Lamar Jacksons year
JR QB 12 241 399 60.4 3489 8.7 9.3 25 6 151.5
.

so,...your saying we should be able to draft Jackson in the sixth??

because when you look at who they played this season, Darnold faced far greater competition.... Jackson faced powerhouses like Purdue, Kent State, Murry State, wake forest, virginia, and Kentucky.... Darnolds numbers may not be great but he did it after losing guys like JuJu Smith-Schuster at WR and three of his offensive linemen and had to use a slew of freshmen and redshirt freshmen at WR..
many of those int's are the result of young WR's misreading the defense and picking the wrong route..
Jackson won a Heisman...which is a big deal......

But Darnold has won a Rose Bowl and the Archie Griffin award(specific to QB's)

Louisville will play Mississippi State on the 30th and IMO that game will be huge for Lamar Jackson..
on the flip side...
USC will face Ohio State and that game will be huge for Darnold as well...
Both players will need to play, lead,...and perform an official gut check at some point... winning or losing will not necessarily affect draft status, but how well they play under pressure, maintain their composure, and take charge of their offense can go a long way towards solidifying a guys draft status

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You need an elite quarterback to remain a consistent contender. The only question is whether Cousins in an elite quarterback.
If he's not, don't chase him. If he is, no price is too high.

In reality, there are really only 2 elite QB's, Brady and Rodgers. Cousins is in the next tier with guys like Rivers, Brees, Ryan, Ben(even though his winning and play making ability makes him arguably the best of the rest), etc.

 

[kerouac9]

In reality, there are really only 2 elite QB's, Brady and Rodgers. Cousins is in the next tier with guys like Rivers, Brees, Ryan, Ben(even though his winning and play making ability makes him arguably the best of the rest), etc.

Bree’s is elite.

 

[az jam]

Saw Allen against Iowa. Was very disappointed in his play.

 

[football karma]

Again, different talent levels around them. Washington is neither a highly talented team or a particularly well coached team, especially through the past 3 years.

dont know about this

Sean McVay was the OC for the three years prior to this one -- that looks to be pretty solid offensive coaching

Cousins has a top 5 LT in Trent Williams. Jordan Reed is a really good TE. Cousins has had DeSean Jackson, jamison Crowder and Pierre Garcon as WRs in the past.

that may not be Atlanta level, but its pretty good

 

[Jetstream Green]

JA is playing with teammates who wouldn't start on a good junior college team. He has the tools, especially mental attitude and discipline, just needs the time and coaching. That is a big "if" if he get it, but like half the QBs drafted, what team they get selected by is at least 50% of the success ratio, imo. If he gets in the right place, and they have patience not to rush him, he could be great. Hopefully he will find that Aaron Rogers type situation, where he sits and learns and develops more for at least a couple years. Maybe team like the Saints would be the perfect place for him. Or even a Charger's team if Rivers returns for a couple more years.

Still, I am a big Mayfield fan. Give me a winner every time like Brees or Russell wilson, someone with energy and a strong accurate arm.

I think it's rather Wentz played at North Dakota St and since Wyoming is not that far away, people want to believe they can catch lightening in a bottle again like the Eagles from a small school in the Far West when all there is in that bottle is stale diet Pepsi

 

[Buckybird]

Again, different talent levels around them. Washington is neither a highly talented team or a particularly well coached team, especially through the past 3 years.

Cam had the #6 overall defense that provided 39 turnovers that season. Kirk Cousins has never had more than the #17 ranked defense in his years as a starter. Not to mention, Cam takes a bunch of big hits, and that will eventually catch up in injury... whereas Kirk has stayed mostly clean and can play many more years with his style.

Ryan had the #5 overall running game his MVP year. Cousins has never had more than #15.

Regardless, Cousins continues to put up the stats and pass the eye test.

And yet Cousins struggles to get his team into the playoffs in a consistent basis. I'm tired of hearing about guys putting up numbers & yet not elevating a teams play. Sure the 2 go hand in hand at some point but the great ones get the job done. IMO guys like Cousins Rivers struggle in that ability to get a team to pay dirt.

 

[Veer]

IMO guys like Cousins Rivers struggle in that ability to get a team to pay dirt.

Interesting observation, and I'd agree in general. However, both never had a playoff-worthy defense. You can score for fun, but if your defense isn't at least average, or let's call it opportunistic, you can't go far.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And yet Cousins struggles to get his team into the playoffs in a consistent basis. I'm tired of hearing about guys putting up numbers & yet not elevating a teams play. Sure the 2 go hand in hand at some point but the great ones get the job done. IMO guys like Cousins Rivers struggle in that ability to get a team to pay dirt.

Drew Brees has had the Saints in the playoffs once since 2011. That will probably change this year though.

 

[Son of RedRage]

Allen seems like a QB that everyone latched onto because he had size and an arm. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown enough beyond that to really make an impact. Getting Mahomes vibe. The words 'raw talent' are going to be thrown around A LOT in April. His performance isn't good enough for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Seems like a 4th rounder, tops.

 

[Vacard]

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Wilson
Ryan
Cam
Rivers
Stafford
Luck
Watson
Arguably Ben & Mariota, too.

I'll take Cousins orver Rivers (age), Luck (injuries) , Brees (age), Brady (age, system), Stafford (bonehead), Watson (not seasoned) , and Big Ben (age, injuries)

 

[Ronin]

Name a successful qb who has never thrown above 60 percent in college.

Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL

Joe Montana was a 52% passer in college. 63% in the pros.

 

[Mitch]

Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL

Joe Montana was a 52% passer in college. 63% in the pros.

Classic case of a young, somewhat under the radar college QB who was drafted by the best possible coach and system for him. Much like Brady.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Name a successful qb who has never thrown above 60 percent in college.

Joe Montana: 52% in College. 63% in the NFL.

And no, I don’t believe Allen is the second coming of Montana... [emoji106]


Edit: WHOOPS - didn’t see Ronin had beat me to the Montana data!

 

[Ronin]

Joe Montana: 52% in College. 63% in the NFL.

And no, I don’t believe Allen is the second coming of Montana... [emoji106]


Edit: WHOOPS - didn’t see Ronin had beat me to the Montana data!

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Here are some other sub 60% guys...real nice list!

Year QB (Round) Career % (last season %) TD/int NFL career: G GS Comp%


2010 John Skelton (5) 58.8 (64.4) 69/36 20 17 53.2
2010 Jonathon Crompton (5) 55.3 (58.3) 36/22 0 0 0.0
2010 Rusty Smith (6) 56.4 (57.3) 76/36 3 1 51.1
2010 Joe Webb (6) 59.1 (59.8) 37/25 51 4 57.9 *not now a QB in the NFL
2011 Jake Locker (1) 54.0 (55.4) 53/35 30 23 57.5
2011 Colin Kaepernick (2) 58.2 (64.9) 82/24 57 47 59.9
2011 Ryan Mallett (3) 57.8 (64.7) 69/24 13 6 53.1
2011 Ricky Stanzi (5) 59.8 (64.1) 56/31 0 0 0.0
2011 Nathan Enderle (5) 54.6 (56.7) 74/60 0 0 0.0
2011 Tyrod Taylor (6) 57.2 (59.7) 44/20 22 8 66.0
2012 Ryan Lindley (6) 55.5 (53.0) 90/47 9 6 50.8
2012 BJ Coleman (7) 57.4 (60.9) 52/32 0 0 0.0
2013 BJ Daniels (7) 57.3 (56.9) 52/39 0 0 0.0
2014 Logan Thomas (4) 55.5 (56.5) 52/39 2 0 11.1
2014 Tom Savage (4) 56.8 (61.2) 37/19 2 0 52.6
2014 Garrett Gilbert (6) 58.7 (66.5) 49/45 0 0 0.0
2015 Trevor Siemian (7) 58.9 (58.2) 27/24 0 0 0.0

Also throw in Connor Cook and Hackenburg.

 

[Vacard]

Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL

Joe Montana was a 52% passer in college. 63% in the pros.

Classic case of a young, somewhat under the radar college QB who was drafted by the best possible coach and system for him. Much like Brady.

Joe Montana: 52% in College. 63% in the NFL.

And no, I don’t believe Allen is the second coming of Montana... [emoji106]


Edit: WHOOPS - didn’t see Ronin had beat me to the Montana data!

I just found out that Brett Favre threw 56 percent and we all know how much a success he was in the pros, but what about today? What about a QB playing now in this day and time.

Here are some other sub 60% guys...real nice list!

Year QB (Round) Career % (last season %) TD/int NFL career: G GS Comp%


2010 John Skelton (5) 58.8 (64.4) 69/36 20 17 53.2
2010 Jonathon Crompton (5) 55.3 (58.3) 36/22 0 0 0.0
2010 Rusty Smith (6) 56.4 (57.3) 76/36 3 1 51.1
2010 Joe Webb (6) 59.1 (59.8) 37/25 51 4 57.9 *not now a QB in the NFL
2011 Jake Locker (1) 54.0 (55.4) 53/35 30 23 57.5
2011 Colin Kaepernick (2) 58.2 (64.9) 82/24 57 47 59.9
2011 Ryan Mallett (3) 57.8 (64.7) 69/24 13 6 53.1
2011 Ricky Stanzi (5) 59.8 (64.1) 56/31 0 0 0.0
2011 Nathan Enderle (5) 54.6 (56.7) 74/60 0 0 0.0
2011 Tyrod Taylor (6) 57.2 (59.7) 44/20 22 8 66.0
2012 Ryan Lindley (6) 55.5 (53.0) 90/47 9 6 50.8
2012 BJ Coleman (7) 57.4 (60.9) 52/32 0 0 0.0
2013 BJ Daniels (7) 57.3 (56.9) 52/39 0 0 0.0
2014 Logan Thomas (4) 55.5 (56.5) 52/39 2 0 11.1
2014 Tom Savage (4) 56.8 (61.2) 37/19 2 0 52.6
2014 Garrett Gilbert (6) 58.7 (66.5) 49/45 0 0 0.0
2015 Trevor Siemian (7) 58.9 (58.2) 27/24 0 0 0.0

Also throw in Connor Cook and Hackenburg.

LOL Kaepernick is by far the best in that list but he threw 64 percent in his last year in Nevada so he doesn't really count.

Tyrod Taylor has also improved his accuracy from college to his days in Buffalo. Hes throwing 62 percent in Buffalo, compared to 57 percent in VT. But he was learning behind Flacco for years.

 

[Buckybird]

Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL

Joe Montana was a 52% passer in college. 63% in the pros.

The thing about Montana, Brady & Favre in college were there were moments when they put their teams on their backs & carried them, particularly in crunch time. Both rallied those teams to great comeback wins & elevated the talent around them. Plus it was a different era where throwing the ball all over the field wasn't a given until it was time.

Sometimes you have to look at more than the stats. Certain guys have that "it" factor others don't. Plummer also had it, Big Ben had it IMO

 

[Buckybird]

Classic case of a young, somewhat under the radar college QB who was drafted by the best possible coach and system for him. Much like Brady.

And a different era as well

 

[Chopper0080]

A season where a bunch of QBs have been injured?

1. Brady
2. Brees
3. Newton
4. Matt Ryan
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Carson Wentz
7. Deshaun Watson
8. Andrew Luck
9. Russell Wilson

Cousins is 14th in DYAR, DVOA, and Total QBR. You can quibble with those models, but what it shows is that Cousins isn't efficient when games are close.

I don't love the idea of paying Cousins 25 mil per year, but here is what I know.

I know we would have a top 16 NFL QB.
I know he would be able to play in Arians system.
I know he would use Gresham and Fitz in a way that we would not be throwing that money away.
I know he will throw to the RB, utilizing DJ skills for the last couple years he may be in AZ.
I know he is durable.
I know he would ensure that the prime years of Chandler Jones and Patrick Peterson would not be wasted by anyone other than Bettcher.
I know he can go to Seattle and win a game with an average roster.
I know he can lead the locker room as the fron office in Washington doesn't even want him, and the guys still love him on the field.

I don't know any of those things regarding a rookie QB that Steve Keim and his first round history selects.

 

[Chopper0080]

Saw Allen against Iowa. Was very disappointed in his play.

Saw Ohio St against Iowa. Was very disappointed in the team's play. Maybe it is more Iowa being better on defense than we think vs Ohio St and Sam Darnold being not as good.

 

[TRW]

I don't love the idea of paying Cousins 25 mil per year, but here is what I know.

I know we would have a top 16 NFL QB.
I know he would be able to play in Arians system.
I know he would use Gresham and Fitz in a way that we would not be throwing that money away.
I know he will throw to the RB, utilizing DJ skills for the last couple years he may be in AZ.
I know he is durable.
I know he would ensure that the prime years of Chandler Jones and Patrick Peterson would not be wasted by anyone other than Bettcher.
I know he can go to Seattle and win a game with an average roster.
I know he can lead the locker room as the fron office in Washington doesn't even want him, and the guys still love him on the field.

I don't know any of those things regarding a rookie QB that Steve Keim and his first round history selects.

Only issue is you will be, like with Palmer, shackled by that contract for 4 or 5 seasons. It is a slippery slope and risky at best. Same thing with a Garappolo type situation the 49ers will face.

Not sure it's any riskier than signing some other less expensive vet to bridge to a draftee that MAY be QBOF but they will be out a whole lot less money if the young guy doesn't pan out.

But, then, you are starting from scratch again...oh the pain, the pain...

I have no clue what the best way to go is.

 

[oaken1]

Only issue is you will be, like with Palmer, shackled by that contract for 4 or 5 seasons. It is a slippery slope and risky at best. Same thing with a Garappolo type situation the 49ers will face.

Not sure it's any riskier than signing some other less expensive vet to bridge to a draftee that MAY be QBOF but they will be out a whole lot less money if the young guy doesn't pan out.

But, then, you are starting from scratch again...oh the pain, the pain...

I have no clue what the best way to go is.

and with a rookie we can use the extra cap space to fill out the roster so at least if the kid pans out the team around him doesnt suck rocks when they dont take their geritol

 

[Solar7]

and with a rookie we can use the extra cap space to fill out the roster so at least if the kid pans out the team around him doesnt suck rocks when they dont take their geritol

Assuming we don't have to trade away the next three years of important draft picks to go up and get him. There's a reason most players are available, be it talent or cost. Draft picks are important.