Deandre Ayton discussion

WhyAlwaysMe · May 31, 2021

Quibbling over Paul’s 2022-23 money if he chooses to opt-out and falling back to a 45-37 type team when he walks in 2021-22 is unconscionable.

elindholm · May 31, 2021

WhyAlwaysMe said:
Quibbling over Paul’s 2022-23 money if he chooses to opt-out and falling back to a 45-37 type team when he walks in 2021-22 is unconscionable.

Because he's immortal?

CardsSunsDbacks · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
Because he's immortal?

We have seen what happens when you make moves that make you worse now in order to be better set up in the future and it hasn't been pretty.

If we have to spend a year with the overpaid corpse of Paul in order to compete now than so be it.

WhyAlwaysMe · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
Because he's immortal?

Because he has shown zero decline from last year, has a high skill game, sat out one game all year (not even injured), has had one bizarre upper body injury which has not even caused him to miss a game, is a massive favorite to provide value as a top25 player in the next two years, and has completely changed our culture from ten year doormat to legitimate title contender.

Nobody is saying he can play for 5 years, nobody is saying he’s “immortal”. You and many others did say we made a massive mistake acquiring him for Oubre and Rubio in the off-season. One would hope that would chasten you. Alas, not.

itlnsunsfan · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
Because he's immortal?

If he leaves, we fall back into mediocrity. An extension would be 3 years at the most. If we extend him for 3 years and he breaks down for good after a year or two, what have we really lost?

JCSunsfan · May 31, 2021

itlnsunsfan said:
If he leaves, we fall back into mediocrity. An extension would be 3 years at the most. If we extend him for 3 years and he breaks down for good after a year or two, what have we really lost?

Naw. Depends on who replaces him. The change in the team this year is not ALL Paul.

WhyAlwaysMe · May 31, 2021

JCSunsfan said:
Naw. Depends on who replaces him. The change in the team this year is not ALL Paul.

Agreed. We win 40 games with a median free agent guard, and lose to Utah in 5.

itlnsunsfan · May 31, 2021

JCSunsfan said:
Naw. Depends on who replaces him. The change in the team this year is not ALL Paul.

Who can you replace him with that will impact the game at the level that Paul does?

elindholm · May 31, 2021

WhyAlwaysMe said:
You and many others did say we made a massive mistake acquiring him for Oubre and Rubio in the off-season. One would hope that would chasten you. Alas, not.

The jury is still out on the trade. The Suns have won a grand total of two playoff games so far. Let's see what happens to that total before we decide whether the trade was worth it.

itlnsunsfan · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
The jury is still out on the trade. The Suns have won a grand total of two playoff games so far. Let's see what happens to that total before we decide whether the trade was worth it.

The jury is still out on the trade? We gave up relatively little to acquire Paul. I think most would characterize the trade as wildly successful. Can you expand on your perspective?

Cheesebeef · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
The jury is still out on the trade. The Suns have won a grand total of two playoff games so far. Let's see what happens to that total before we decide whether the trade was worth it.

We traded a middling PG, a wing and who’s teams consistently get better when he’s not playing and a late first rounder for an MVP candidate, likely All-NBA player who gave the team instant credibility, bringing us out from the shame of Sarver and into one of the sunniest stories of the NBA season with the second best record in the league.

that’s success no matter what happens from here. Saying otherwise is just a flat refusal to admit you were wrong.

Finito · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
The jury is still out on the trade. The Suns have won a grand total of two playoff games so far. Let's see what happens to that total before we decide whether the trade was worth it.

Whaaaaaaaaat?!?!??!?

this guy

elindholm · May 31, 2021

cheesebeef said:
We traded a middling PG, a wing and who’s teams consistently get better when he’s not playing and a late first rounder for an MVP candidate, likely All-NBA player who gave the team instant credibility, bringing us out from the shame of Sarver and into one of the sunniest stories of the NBA season with the second best record in the league.

that’s success no matter what happens from here. Saying otherwise is just a flat refusal to admit you were wrong.

No, I'm fully prepared to admit I was wrong in the fall of 2022, once we get the full story. I never doubted that Paul would make the Suns better in the short term, if he could stay healthy. As far as the regular season is concerned, he surpassed my expectations, but that really doesn't impact the equation.

If the Suns lose this series in 6, they take a step backward next year, Paul is no longer on the roster for the 2022-23 season, and Booker has decided he's ready to move on to a real contender, is that still a success to you? And if not, what makes you so confident that we'll avoid that scenario?

dscher · May 31, 2021

Mainstreet said:
Maybe the Suns and Bridges can agree to something less. He is not a max player.

Good eye sight. This is where we have failed in the past. Watch basketball like a fan every so often as even a GM and you'd be surprised how great your decision making can become. I think James Jones has a god feel for this

GatorAZ · May 31, 2021

CP3 was a top-10 player this year. Without him the Suns aren’t relevant or at best a Memphis-caliber team.

itlnsunsfan · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
No, I'm fully prepared to admit I was wrong in the fall of 2022, once we get the full story. I never doubted that Paul would make the Suns better in the short term, if he could stay healthy. As far as the regular season is concerned, he surpassed my expectations, but that really doesn't impact the equation.

If the Suns lose this series in 6, they take a step backward next year, Paul is no longer on the roster for the 2022-23 season, and Booker has decided he's ready to move on to a real contender, is that still a success to you? And if not, what makes you so confident that we'll avoid that scenario?

Usually young teams get better after gaining playoff experience. Why do you think the team takes a step backward next year?

I think Booker is more likely to stay now that he's tasted some success, even if we get bounced in the first round. We've already exceeded expectations. You don't think Booker would've been more apt to want to leave had we not acquired Paul?

Ouchie-Z-Clown · May 31, 2021

CardsSunsDbacks said:
It's not a ranking really. Just showing other players in that 20/13 category in the postseason I believe.

It’s in some numerical order. The tweet just doesn’t show all the columns.

CardsSunsDbacks · May 31, 2021

Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
It’s in some numerical order. The tweet just doesn’t show all the columns.

It is sorted by date if that's what you're talking about. Ayton being one on that list is simply showing that he is the most recent to do it.

Ouchie-Z-Clown · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
The jury is still out on the trade. The Suns have won a grand total of two playoff games so far. Let's see what happens to that total before we decide whether the trade was worth it.

Sorry e but I think you may be the lone survivor in the “jury is still out on the trade” brigade.

elindholm · May 31, 2021

Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
Sorry e but I think you may be the lone survivor in the “jury is still out on the trade” brigade.

That doesn't bother me. Hopefully the next year and a half will show that everyone else was ahead of the curve.

WhyAlwaysMe · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
The jury is still out on the trade. The Suns have won a grand total of two playoff games so far. Let's see what happens to that total before we decide whether the trade was worth it.

What is this, jury nullification?

Hoop Head · May 31, 2021

elindholm said:
No, I'm fully prepared to admit I was wrong in the fall of 2022, once we get the full story. I never doubted that Paul would make the Suns better in the short term, if he could stay healthy. As far as the regular season is concerned, he surpassed my expectations, but that really doesn't impact the equation.

If the Suns lose this series in 6, they take a step backward next year, Paul is no longer on the roster for the 2022-23 season, and Booker has decided he's ready to move on to a real contender, is that still a success to you? And if not, what makes you so confident that we'll avoid that scenario?

Why so long? The main piece we shipped out, Oubre, wasn't even under contract that long.

Ouchie-Z-Clown · May 31, 2021

CardsSunsDbacks said:
It is sorted by date if that's what you're talking about. Ayton being one on that list is simply showing that he is the most recent to do it.

Ah. Thx

95pro · Jun 2, 2021

Ayton had a few mini relapses of regular-season-Ayton last night. Fumbled a few passes and such. Was there another play where he just made a bad turnover, idr, i'm trying to recall the play.

WhyAlwaysMe · Jun 2, 2021

95pro said:
Ayton had a few mini relapses of regular-season-Ayton last night. Fumbled a few passes and such. Was there another play where he just made a bad turnover, idr, i'm trying to recall the play.

Lol just stop

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