With the 8th pick in the NFL Draft......

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Just ran a mock and here is what I got.

8: R1 OT TRISTAN WIRFS IOWA

40: R2 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU

72: R3 S KYLE DUGGER LENOIR-RHYNE

111: R4 LB CAMERON BROWN PENN STATE

153: R5 RB AJ DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE

222: R7 LB JUSTIN STRNAD WAKE FOREST
I did a few on fanspeak. Using 8 of the recent "mock boards"

8: R1P8
LB ISAIAH SIMMONS
CLEMSON
40: R2P8
CB JEFF GLADNEY
TCU
72: R3P8
OT LUCAS NIANG
TCU
111: R4P8
WR DONOVAN PEOPLES-JONES
MICHIGAN
153: R5P7
RB ENO BENJAMIN
ARIZONA STATE
222: R7P8
C DUSTIN WOODARD
MEMPHIS



8: R1P8
OT JEDRICK WILLS
ALABAMA
40: R2P8
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
72: R3P8
DL RAEKWON DAVIS
ALABAMA
111: R4P8
EDGE JABARI ZUNIGA
FLORIDA
153: R5P7
LB CAM BROWN
PENN STATE
222: R7P8
RB J.J. TAYLOR
ARIZONA





8: R1P8

CB JEFFREY OKUDAH
OHIO STATE
40: R2P8

WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
72: R3P8

C MATT HENNESSY
TEMPLE
111: R4P8

LB JACOB PHILLIPS
LSU
153: R5P7

EDGE TREVON HILL
MIAMI
222: R7P8

G EZRA CLEVELAND
BOISE STATE





8: R1P8
WR CEEDEE LAMB
OKLAHOMA
40: R2P8
DL ROSS BLACKLOCK
TCU
72: R3P8
OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO
AUBURN
111: R4P8
G DAMIEN LEWIS
LSU
153: R5P7
RB A.J. DILLON
BOSTON COLLEGE
222: R7P8
DL DARRION DANIELS
NEBRASKA


8: R1P8
WR JERRY JEUDY
ALABAMA
40: R2P8
OT LUCAS NIANG
TCU
72: R3P8
DL ROSS BLACKLOCK
TCU
111: R4P8
LB JORDYN BROOKS
TEXAS TECH
153: R5P7
G JOHN SIMPSON
CLEMSON
222: R7P8
CB ESSANG BASSEY
WAKE FOREST



8: R1P8

OT TRISTAN WIRFS
IOWA
40: R2P8

WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
72: R3P8

DL JORDAN ELLIOTT
MISSOURI
111: R4P8

TE THADDEUS MOSS
LSU
153: R5P7

G JONAH JACKSON
OHIO STATE
222: R7P8

LB DANIEL BITULI
TENNESSEE





8: R1P8
WR CEEDEE LAMB
OKLAHOMA
40: R2P8
C TYLER BIADASZ
WISCONSIN
72: R3P8
DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE
OKLAHOMA
111: R4P8
OT MARCUS NORMAN
SOUTH FLORIDA
153: R5P7
RB A.J. DILLON
BOSTON COLLEGE
222: R7P8
TE STEPHEN SULLIVAN
LSU




8: R1P8

OT TRISTAN WIRFS
IOWA
40: R2P8

C CESAR RUIZ
MICHIGAN
72: R3P8

EDGE ANFERNEE JENNINGS
ALABAMA
111: R4P8

TE HUNTER BRYANT
WASHINGTON
153: R5P7

WR JOHN HIGHTOWER
BOISE STATE
222: R7P8

CB JAVARIS DAVIS
AUBURN
 

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Yep.

Look at Mark Glowinski of the Colts. Later round pick with the Seahawks and he sucked initially, but caught on with the Colts and now is a pretty good OL.

OL especially is a position that is usually not very well developed coming into the NFL. Some guys take 3 or 4 years to develop now since teams arent running pro style offenses in college anymore.

Justin Murray improved substantially last year. He isnt a great starter, but if the Cardinals stick with him, he could become a solid starter. Anyone remember how embarrassingly bad Massie was his rookie year? He gave up like 12 sacks. Arians didn't play him his second season, played that former Texans RT over him.

This is a great point.

Firstly Massie is massively overrated by some fans. He had one reasonable season. He gave up 27.5 sacks in 46 starts. That's 10 sacks per season average.

He only got better after he left. Which goes to show individual O line performance very much depend on surrounding talent.

Justin Murray was better last year than any of Massie's years here.

All that said his ceiling is average starter and we have the opportunity to add a potential pro bowl lever player. Which would raise the whole line up.
 

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I am down to the following guys for #8

Simmons - hell of an athlete and fills a need(s)
Okudah - potential shut down corner
Becton - could be pro bowl RT or LT
Wills - Natural RT and day 1 starter
Lamb/Jeudy - Need a #1 WR and we don't want to pay 20m/year in FA to get one.

Offensively - we need a #1 WR and OL help...I think both of those can be filled in draft.
Defensively - as we continue to say...plenty of help available in FA where we need it this year

Brown - I just don't see it. He is strong but very limited mobility and his one trick (strength) will be neutralized by NFL OL. He may be a solid starter but not worth a top 10 pick IMO
Kinlaw - I like him over Brown but he is raw. Has the size and motor you want but needs a ton of coaching. He could really be something but too risky for us
Wirfs - I don't see him at T. If he is a pro bowl/dominate G...then you need to strongly consider that at #8 (maybe a slight trade down?). We need G's too

At the end of the day...I think a WR#1 is just too big of a need for this offense, for Kyler, and for our offensive minded HC.

I think we go WR, OL, RB with first 3 picks (because we will be spending FA money on defense)
 

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After the Cards signed KK and drafted K1 I was expecting them to throw the ball a lot. I was expecting a lot of short passes over the middle and quick flairs to RB's. Using this formula it seemed more important to invest in good skill players and adequate lineman.

That is not what happened. The Cards ran the ball a ton and threw down field more than average as well. This approach works best with a really solid line.

Of course they need upgrades at multiple positions. Its just not clear to me which one is most important.

Draft Simmons.
 

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Here is all 22 film of Jeudy and Lamb vs LSU this year:

Lamb - 4/119/0

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Jeudy - 5/71/1

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I did a few on fanspeak. Using 8 of the recent "mock boards"

8: R1P8
LB ISAIAH SIMMONS
CLEMSON
40: R2P8
CB JEFF GLADNEY
TCU
72: R3P8
OT LUCAS NIANG
TCU
111: R4P8
WR DONOVAN PEOPLES-JONES
MICHIGAN
153: R5P7
RB ENO BENJAMIN
ARIZONA STATE
222: R7P8
C DUSTIN WOODARD
MEMPHIS



8: R1P8
OT JEDRICK WILLS
ALABAMA
40: R2P8
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
72: R3P8
DL RAEKWON DAVIS
ALABAMA
111: R4P8
EDGE JABARI ZUNIGA
FLORIDA
153: R5P7
LB CAM BROWN
PENN STATE
222: R7P8
RB J.J. TAYLOR
ARIZONA





8: R1P8

CB JEFFREY OKUDAH
OHIO STATE
40: R2P8

WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
72: R3P8

C MATT HENNESSY
TEMPLE
111: R4P8

LB JACOB PHILLIPS
LSU
153: R5P7

EDGE TREVON HILL
MIAMI
222: R7P8

G EZRA CLEVELAND
BOISE STATE





8: R1P8
WR CEEDEE LAMB
OKLAHOMA
40: R2P8
DL ROSS BLACKLOCK
TCU
72: R3P8
OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO
AUBURN
111: R4P8
G DAMIEN LEWIS
LSU
153: R5P7
RB A.J. DILLON
BOSTON COLLEGE
222: R7P8
DL DARRION DANIELS
NEBRASKA


8: R1P8
WR JERRY JEUDY
ALABAMA
40: R2P8
OT LUCAS NIANG
TCU
72: R3P8
DL ROSS BLACKLOCK
TCU
111: R4P8
LB JORDYN BROOKS
TEXAS TECH
153: R5P7
G JOHN SIMPSON
CLEMSON
222: R7P8
CB ESSANG BASSEY
WAKE FOREST



8: R1P8

OT TRISTAN WIRFS
IOWA
40: R2P8

WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
72: R3P8

DL JORDAN ELLIOTT
MISSOURI
111: R4P8

TE THADDEUS MOSS
LSU
153: R5P7

G JONAH JACKSON
OHIO STATE
222: R7P8

LB DANIEL BITULI
TENNESSEE





8: R1P8
WR CEEDEE LAMB
OKLAHOMA
40: R2P8
C TYLER BIADASZ
WISCONSIN
72: R3P8
DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE
OKLAHOMA
111: R4P8
OT MARCUS NORMAN
SOUTH FLORIDA
153: R5P7
RB A.J. DILLON
BOSTON COLLEGE
222: R7P8
TE STEPHEN SULLIVAN
LSU




8: R1P8

OT TRISTAN WIRFS
IOWA
40: R2P8

C CESAR RUIZ
MICHIGAN
72: R3P8

EDGE ANFERNEE JENNINGS
ALABAMA
111: R4P8

TE HUNTER BRYANT
WASHINGTON
153: R5P7

WR JOHN HIGHTOWER
BOISE STATE
222: R7P8

CB JAVARIS DAVIS
AUBURN
I’ll take door number 4 or 7. The two that have us taking Lamb.
 

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Niang and Bryce hall would be very good additions
They will slide a bit just cause both coming from a season ending injury, but they are first round talent

Niang is a great pass blocker and In 3 years he never allowed a sack, and he never committed a false start
 

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Pretty cool video...

Arizona Cardinals All 2019 NFL Draft Picks

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pretty much everyone who covers the Cards, but isn't employed by the Cards is begging them to go offensive line

pretty much everyone who covers the Cards and is employed by the Cards (one way or another) is playing the "you know, Justin Murray was pretty good last year...……" line of reasoning
 

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Jets, at No. 11, desperately want an offensive tackle. Cardinals could trade down three spots, grab one of the top three receivers and add picks, an important value since they only have six right now. Makes sense to me
 

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fyi anecdote / info on Derrick Brown:

I love the bolded part in this

Derrick Brown, defensive tackle, Auburn. “Love him. Great player. Mom works at Kmart, dad’s a jailer. Got asked why he stayed in school this past year. ‘My mom asked me to get my degree.’ Got asked why he played in the Auburn bowl game when so many top prospects sit ‘em out. ‘I was elected captain. I wasn’t gonna desert my guys.’ He’s got the physical ability and character to go a long way.” Projected to be a top 10 pick.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/02/nfl-scouting-combine-draft-peter-king/
 

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pretty much everyone who covers the Cards, but isn't employed by the Cards is begging them to go offensive line

pretty much everyone who covers the Cards and is employed by the Cards (one way or another) is playing the "you know, Justin Murray was pretty good last year...……" line of reasoning

The people close to the team know a bit more about how the team feels about Justin Murray.

This draft is exciting because there are about 11 different players that could make sense for the Cardinals.

Young
Okudah
Wirfs
Wills
Becton
Thomas
Simmons
Brown
Kinlaw
Lamb
Jeudy

What I hope for is that some team falls in love with Love and trades up to get him. And Tua goes to the Skins.

All of the handwringing about drafting Murray with Rosen looks ridiculous now; the Cardinals set a precedent that other teams may follow in the future.

That means QB hungry teams might take bigger swings in the future on QBs. Years ago, we saw the Vikings take Christian Ponder and Bills take EJ Manuel. I think we will see more teams gamble on QBs with some questionable traits again.
 

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lmao, hell no.
Havent watched much of Tee Higgins.

Just know many thought he was sure fire 1st round pick a month ago. I'm for addressing OT in the 1st round so I'm ok with figuring out a way to get a WR in the 2nd (late 1st).

Whats the problem with Higgins?
 

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fyi anecdote / info on Derrick Brown:

I love the bolded part in this

Derrick Brown, defensive tackle, Auburn. “Love him. Great player. Mom works at Kmart, dad’s a jailer. Got asked why he stayed in school this past year. ‘My mom asked me to get my degree.’ Got asked why he played in the Auburn bowl game when so many top prospects sit ‘em out. ‘I was elected captain. I wasn’t gonna desert my guys.’ He’s got the physical ability and character to go a long way.” Projected to be a top 10 pick.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/02/nfl-scouting-combine-draft-peter-king/

With IDL I'm not as concerned about traits. I want big mean dudes that like to hurt people.
 

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8. Arizona Cardinals
8 OF 34

Timothy D. Easley/Associated Press
The Pick: OT Mekhi Becton, Louisville

The Arizona Cardinals signed left tackle D.J. Humphries to a three-year extension, but that doesn't mean they won't address the offensive tackle position in this year's draft. With a loaded offensive tackle class in the first round, head coach Kliff Kingsbury can build a line that will protect his prized quarterback, Kyler Murray.

Mekhi Becton at 6'7" and 364 pounds is a rare athlete with exceptional movement skills in the run game and the ability to dominate in pass protection. His combination of length, strength and agility hasn't been seen at the offensive tackle position in the last decade. He's special as a prospect, but there are technical concerns that must be ironed out before he's ready to become a top-tier pass-blocker.

The Cardinals are willing to take that bet on a once-in-a-decade talent at the position.


40. CARDINALS—DL Ross Blacklock, TCU

72. CARDINALS—RB J.K. Dobbins, Ohio State


  1. bleacherreport.com/articles/2878668-2020-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-post-combine-predictions#slide34
 

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