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I think our starting line-up needs a quality, natural 4 to be complete. We have the assets to eventually bring one in. The question is: Who? Realistically, who do you want brought in and for what cost? You have JRich's valuable $14,444,443 expiring contract, other fairly priced, mid level contracts, and a piece of the TPE remaining to bring to the table. Who can we get?
I'm looking through rosters and having a hard time figuring it out. Dominant, talented big men are a very rare commodity indeed. I'm starting to understand the premium put on them.
(I have argued against some of the following players. I realize I might sound like I'm flip flopping. I've been looking through the information and have to admit that these players do bring some valuable assets to the table. Apologies in advance, especially to Mojorizen
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Troy Murphy - Big guy. 6'11", 245. Has touch from the outside. Would probably work well in our system although I'd prefer a guy that makes more of a living on the inside. Even being perimeter oriented, he is a rebounding monster, averaging 10.2 boards per game last year, accounting for 25.9% of Indiana's defensive rebounding opportunities and 23.2% of their offensive rebounding opportunities when on court. His Rebound Player Rating is 31.3.
Defensively, he is a bit of a disappointment, giving up an average PER of 21.5 to opposing 4's, allowing 23.8 points/48 minutes. At the 5, he gives up an average PER of 24.2 to the opposing players, allowing 23.6 points/48 minutes. These numbers are ugly.
He is scheduled to make $11,968,253 next year and his contract is expiring. We would have to give up JRich to acquire him this season.
Andre Kirilenko - This is where my apology to Mojo is directed. I know, I know. He's another skinny, perimeter oriented, long dude. 6'9", 225. You'll see why I bring him up. Like Murphy, his game would probably be well suited for our system, though I'd prefer more of an inside guy. He's a good shooter and all around skilled. Rebounding, he is not all that great. His RPR is 16.3. Last year, he averaged 4.6 RPG, about 0.16 rebounds per minute. Not very good. To put this in perspective, Amare averaged about 0.26 rebounds per minute last year. However, this is playing alongside a very good rebounder in Carlos Boozer and AK is known for having a nose for the ball. Evidence for this 6th sense can be seen in his blocks, getting about 1.2 per game.
Net production is where I get excited with this guy. At the 4 last year, he averaged a PER of 27.3, with 22.1 points per 48 minutes. Excellent numbers. In contrast, he held the opposing 4 to an average PER of 17.3, with 15.3 points per 48 minutes. That's a net PER difference of +10 at the PF position. Huge production advantage. Still, where's the beef? He can't play the 5 position.
He is scheduled to make $17,823,000 next year. A straight up deal with Jrich would work as, I believe, salaries are within 125%.
Andray Blatche - A bit out of left field and a highly doubtful acquisition, you never know what may become available with this team. Blatche is solid and has good athleticism. 6'11", 248. Surprisingly, he does have an outside shot, averaging about a Kirilenko percentage from 3.
Rebounding, he has a Rebound Player Rating of 24.2. He averaged 6.3 boards in 27.9 minutes last year, about 0.23 per minute. Not quite as good as Amare. Where he is much better is on the defensive end, holding opposing 4's to an average PER of 16.8, 19.8 points per 48 minutes. At the 5, he held opposing players to an average PER of 18.3, 16.4 points/48 minutes.
He is scheduled to make $3,260,331 next season. We could acquire him outright but Washington would 99.999% demand something in return.
Brandon Bass - A bit of a shrimp at 6'8" but wide at 250, this guy is a banger. He has an inside oriented game based on power and athleticism. No perimeter game. He is a good shot blocker with a BR of 5.2. Rebounding, he has an RPR of 20.6. Last season, he averaged about 0.19 per minute.
Defensively, he is a stud at the 4. He held opposing 4's to an average PER of just 13. At the 5 he gets hurt, allowing an average PER of 22.7. His lack of height is a detriment guarding the 5.
He is scheduled to make $4,000,000 next season. We could acquire him outright. This is intriguing because Orlando is so far over the cap that, in the right scenario, they may not ask for much, if anything at all, in return.
Tyrus Thomas - Very high on my wish list after looking at the numbers (count me in Cly). 6'10", 225. Inside oriented player with a game based on power and athleticism, has some major ups. Not much of a perimeter game although he is developing a jump shot.
He has an outstanding BR of 12.9, averaging 1.6 blocks in 22.6 minutes last season.
Rebounding, he has a RPR of 28.6, averaging 0.27 boards per minute. He grabbed 21.7% of his team's defensive rebounding chances while on court. Very good numbers.
Defensively, he gave up an average PER of 20.0 to opposing 4's last season, allowing 17.1 points/48 minutes. Surprisingly, his numbers are better guarding the 5. At the center position, he allowed a PER of only 14.4, just 14.8 points/48 minutes.
He is scheduled to make $6,611,570 next season. Our remaining TPE, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), is 6 million, so that won't cover it. Not that it really matters. Charlotte would be demanding something of value in return 100%. However, this is another one of those teams where you never know what will become available. Ty can be a knucklehead and Larry Brown has little patience for knuckleheads. Also, to add another interesting wrinkle, JRich was a fan favorite in Charlotte, and his contract might be very attractive to an organization that seems to always be in a state of tug of war with their salary cap strategy.
Josh Smith - 6'9", 240. Explosively athletic and powerful. Has inside and outside game, although one of his biggest criticisms is he settles too much outside. Lebron James faces a similar criticism, to put that into perspective.
He has a Block Rating of 9.7, averaging 2.1 last year.
Rebounding, he has an RPR of 25.7, averaging 8.7 boards per game.
Defensively, he gave up an average PER of 19.9 to opposing 4's, allowing 20.1 points/48 minutes. At the 5, he gave up an average PER of 30.8, allowing 26.0 points/48 minutes. At the 3 is where he was best defensively, allowing an opposing PER of only 12.2. They scored 24.4 points/48, but put up a lot of shots to do it, almost 8 more attempts per 48 than opposing players at the 4 spot.
He is scheduled to make $11,600,000 next season. This team has a lot of question marks surrounding it. Signing Joe Johnson to that gigantic contract does not leave them with much financial wiggle room. If good things don't happen next season, the landscape could change dramatically. The problem for us with acquiring Smith is that it would require JRich, but he plays the same position as Joe Johnson. Still, it's possible a 3 team trade could be worked out.
Drew Gooden - All around, journeyman player. Solid, 6'10", 250. An inside guy.
BR of 2.0. Averaged 0.8 blocks in 25.1 minutes per game last year.
Rebounding is where he makes a living, averaging 7.7 in 25.1 minutes. He accounted for 20.6% of his team's defensive rebounding chances and 11.8% of his team's offensive rebounding chances while on court. His RPR is 32.4. That is an excellent Rebound Player Rating.
Defensively, he's not all that, giving up an average PER of 23.0 at the 4 spot, 25.6 points/48 minutes. At the 5, he gave up an average PER of 23.6, 18.0 points/48 minutes.
He's scheduled to make $5,765,000 next season meaning we could acquire him outright.
Charlie Villanueva - Bit of a disappointment apparently for Detroit last year. 6'11", 232. Inside and outside game.
Block Rating of 4.6
Rebounding, has an RPR of 22.4, averaging about .20 per minute.
Defensively, he held opposing 4's to an average PER of 20.6, opposing 5's to an average PER of 26.1, and opposing 3's to an average PER of 12.9. Apparently, he's more than quick enough to contend with 3's but gets bullied as the boys get bigger.
He's scheduled to make $7,020,000 and Detroit would love to have someone take him off their hands. He would take up more than the TPE but I'm sure the Pistons would be willing to work something out.
Anderson Varejao - Very high on my wishlist. Big guy but moves well. 6'11", 260. Has no outside game but is a virtual energizer bunny inside.
Block rating of 4.5
RBR of 28.4, averaging about 0.27 rebounds per minute. Good numbers.
Defensively, he allows opposing 4's an average PER of 17.7, opposing 5's an average PER of just 12.3.
Scheduled to make $7,281,818 next season. He would be tough to pry from Cleveland I imagine. Funny, since a little while ago he was considered overpaid. Still, this franchise is in a state of flux. Deals may be had, though, I think this next player is most likely offered up first.
Antawn Jamison - 6'9", 235. Has an outside game and what I'd term a "finesse" inside game.
BR of 2.1.
RBR of 25.0, averaging about 0.23 boards per minute last season.
Defensively, he allowed an average PER of 16.9 at the 4, 18.1 points/48 minutes. At the 3, he allowed a PER of 17.4. At the 5, he allowed an average PER of just 5.6 although opposing teams went after him with more shot attempts here.
He is scheduled to make 13,358,905 next season. I believe Cleveland gives this guy up in a heartbeat. A JRich swap would work nice financially and he plays surprisingly effective defense but he's 34, much older than our ideal guy, and his contract is a bit of an albatross. I'm not sure when it runs out.
David West - 6'9", 240. Has a sweet jumper and can go inside as well, but not considered a beastly banger.
BR of 3.2
RBR of 22.0, averaging 0.21 per minute.
Defensively, displays better numbers than expected. Gives up an average PER of 16.4 to opposing 4's, 19.9 points/48 minutes. Against opposing 5's, gives up an average PER of 18.7, 18.8 points/48. At the 3, he gets smoked and is not worth mentioning.
Next year is scheduled to make $8,287,500. Another one of those franchises that always seems to be in a state of flux. You never know what could become available. If they're willing to trade Chris Paul, which rumor has it is true, you can bet David West is far from untouchable. The sweetest part is it could come cheaply, as they have an aversion to taking on salary. This club's financial woes could be our club's gain.
Elton Brand - 6'9", 254. Inside guy.
BR of 5.5.
RBR of 21.6, averaging about 0.20 boards per minute last season. I fear his days of inhaling rebounds are well behind him.
Defensively, gave up an average PER of 19.2 at the 4, 20.8 points/48. At the 5, he gave up an average PER of 16.0, 15.9 points/48. Surprisingly good numbers.
Scheduled to make $15,959,099 next season, Philadelphia would throw in a reach around to get this deal done, as they've been looking to unload this contract for a long time. JRich for Brand works straight up and you'd have a friend for life in Philadelphia.
Luis Scola - 6'9", 245. Slow but a crafty inside player.
BR of 1.6
RBR of 27.9, grabbed 21.4% of his team's defensive rebounding opportunites while on court. Averaged about 0.26 boards per minute.
Defensively, gave up an average PER of 21.1 to opposing 4's, allowing 22.4 points/48. At the 5, he allowed an average PER of 15.5, giving up just 16.8 points/48.
Available for pick-up but would take something enticing for Houston to bite. A nice player to have though a bit slow of foot, would give us some inside grit and craftiness.
Ok there's a few names to consider. Might add a few more. What does everyone think? Who would you want? Feel free to bring someone up that's not listed.
I'm looking through rosters and having a hard time figuring it out. Dominant, talented big men are a very rare commodity indeed. I'm starting to understand the premium put on them.
(I have argued against some of the following players. I realize I might sound like I'm flip flopping. I've been looking through the information and have to admit that these players do bring some valuable assets to the table. Apologies in advance, especially to Mojorizen
)Troy Murphy - Big guy. 6'11", 245. Has touch from the outside. Would probably work well in our system although I'd prefer a guy that makes more of a living on the inside. Even being perimeter oriented, he is a rebounding monster, averaging 10.2 boards per game last year, accounting for 25.9% of Indiana's defensive rebounding opportunities and 23.2% of their offensive rebounding opportunities when on court. His Rebound Player Rating is 31.3.
Defensively, he is a bit of a disappointment, giving up an average PER of 21.5 to opposing 4's, allowing 23.8 points/48 minutes. At the 5, he gives up an average PER of 24.2 to the opposing players, allowing 23.6 points/48 minutes. These numbers are ugly.
He is scheduled to make $11,968,253 next year and his contract is expiring. We would have to give up JRich to acquire him this season.
Andre Kirilenko - This is where my apology to Mojo is directed. I know, I know. He's another skinny, perimeter oriented, long dude. 6'9", 225. You'll see why I bring him up. Like Murphy, his game would probably be well suited for our system, though I'd prefer more of an inside guy. He's a good shooter and all around skilled. Rebounding, he is not all that great. His RPR is 16.3. Last year, he averaged 4.6 RPG, about 0.16 rebounds per minute. Not very good. To put this in perspective, Amare averaged about 0.26 rebounds per minute last year. However, this is playing alongside a very good rebounder in Carlos Boozer and AK is known for having a nose for the ball. Evidence for this 6th sense can be seen in his blocks, getting about 1.2 per game.
Net production is where I get excited with this guy. At the 4 last year, he averaged a PER of 27.3, with 22.1 points per 48 minutes. Excellent numbers. In contrast, he held the opposing 4 to an average PER of 17.3, with 15.3 points per 48 minutes. That's a net PER difference of +10 at the PF position. Huge production advantage. Still, where's the beef? He can't play the 5 position.
He is scheduled to make $17,823,000 next year. A straight up deal with Jrich would work as, I believe, salaries are within 125%.
Andray Blatche - A bit out of left field and a highly doubtful acquisition, you never know what may become available with this team. Blatche is solid and has good athleticism. 6'11", 248. Surprisingly, he does have an outside shot, averaging about a Kirilenko percentage from 3.
Rebounding, he has a Rebound Player Rating of 24.2. He averaged 6.3 boards in 27.9 minutes last year, about 0.23 per minute. Not quite as good as Amare. Where he is much better is on the defensive end, holding opposing 4's to an average PER of 16.8, 19.8 points per 48 minutes. At the 5, he held opposing players to an average PER of 18.3, 16.4 points/48 minutes.
He is scheduled to make $3,260,331 next season. We could acquire him outright but Washington would 99.999% demand something in return.
Brandon Bass - A bit of a shrimp at 6'8" but wide at 250, this guy is a banger. He has an inside oriented game based on power and athleticism. No perimeter game. He is a good shot blocker with a BR of 5.2. Rebounding, he has an RPR of 20.6. Last season, he averaged about 0.19 per minute.
Defensively, he is a stud at the 4. He held opposing 4's to an average PER of just 13. At the 5 he gets hurt, allowing an average PER of 22.7. His lack of height is a detriment guarding the 5.
He is scheduled to make $4,000,000 next season. We could acquire him outright. This is intriguing because Orlando is so far over the cap that, in the right scenario, they may not ask for much, if anything at all, in return.
Tyrus Thomas - Very high on my wish list after looking at the numbers (count me in Cly). 6'10", 225. Inside oriented player with a game based on power and athleticism, has some major ups. Not much of a perimeter game although he is developing a jump shot.
He has an outstanding BR of 12.9, averaging 1.6 blocks in 22.6 minutes last season.
Rebounding, he has a RPR of 28.6, averaging 0.27 boards per minute. He grabbed 21.7% of his team's defensive rebounding chances while on court. Very good numbers.
Defensively, he gave up an average PER of 20.0 to opposing 4's last season, allowing 17.1 points/48 minutes. Surprisingly, his numbers are better guarding the 5. At the center position, he allowed a PER of only 14.4, just 14.8 points/48 minutes.
He is scheduled to make $6,611,570 next season. Our remaining TPE, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), is 6 million, so that won't cover it. Not that it really matters. Charlotte would be demanding something of value in return 100%. However, this is another one of those teams where you never know what will become available. Ty can be a knucklehead and Larry Brown has little patience for knuckleheads. Also, to add another interesting wrinkle, JRich was a fan favorite in Charlotte, and his contract might be very attractive to an organization that seems to always be in a state of tug of war with their salary cap strategy.
Josh Smith - 6'9", 240. Explosively athletic and powerful. Has inside and outside game, although one of his biggest criticisms is he settles too much outside. Lebron James faces a similar criticism, to put that into perspective.
He has a Block Rating of 9.7, averaging 2.1 last year.
Rebounding, he has an RPR of 25.7, averaging 8.7 boards per game.
Defensively, he gave up an average PER of 19.9 to opposing 4's, allowing 20.1 points/48 minutes. At the 5, he gave up an average PER of 30.8, allowing 26.0 points/48 minutes. At the 3 is where he was best defensively, allowing an opposing PER of only 12.2. They scored 24.4 points/48, but put up a lot of shots to do it, almost 8 more attempts per 48 than opposing players at the 4 spot.
He is scheduled to make $11,600,000 next season. This team has a lot of question marks surrounding it. Signing Joe Johnson to that gigantic contract does not leave them with much financial wiggle room. If good things don't happen next season, the landscape could change dramatically. The problem for us with acquiring Smith is that it would require JRich, but he plays the same position as Joe Johnson. Still, it's possible a 3 team trade could be worked out.
Drew Gooden - All around, journeyman player. Solid, 6'10", 250. An inside guy.
BR of 2.0. Averaged 0.8 blocks in 25.1 minutes per game last year.
Rebounding is where he makes a living, averaging 7.7 in 25.1 minutes. He accounted for 20.6% of his team's defensive rebounding chances and 11.8% of his team's offensive rebounding chances while on court. His RPR is 32.4. That is an excellent Rebound Player Rating.
Defensively, he's not all that, giving up an average PER of 23.0 at the 4 spot, 25.6 points/48 minutes. At the 5, he gave up an average PER of 23.6, 18.0 points/48 minutes.
He's scheduled to make $5,765,000 next season meaning we could acquire him outright.
Charlie Villanueva - Bit of a disappointment apparently for Detroit last year. 6'11", 232. Inside and outside game.
Block Rating of 4.6
Rebounding, has an RPR of 22.4, averaging about .20 per minute.
Defensively, he held opposing 4's to an average PER of 20.6, opposing 5's to an average PER of 26.1, and opposing 3's to an average PER of 12.9. Apparently, he's more than quick enough to contend with 3's but gets bullied as the boys get bigger.
He's scheduled to make $7,020,000 and Detroit would love to have someone take him off their hands. He would take up more than the TPE but I'm sure the Pistons would be willing to work something out.
Anderson Varejao - Very high on my wishlist. Big guy but moves well. 6'11", 260. Has no outside game but is a virtual energizer bunny inside.
Block rating of 4.5
RBR of 28.4, averaging about 0.27 rebounds per minute. Good numbers.
Defensively, he allows opposing 4's an average PER of 17.7, opposing 5's an average PER of just 12.3.
Scheduled to make $7,281,818 next season. He would be tough to pry from Cleveland I imagine. Funny, since a little while ago he was considered overpaid. Still, this franchise is in a state of flux. Deals may be had, though, I think this next player is most likely offered up first.
Antawn Jamison - 6'9", 235. Has an outside game and what I'd term a "finesse" inside game.
BR of 2.1.
RBR of 25.0, averaging about 0.23 boards per minute last season.
Defensively, he allowed an average PER of 16.9 at the 4, 18.1 points/48 minutes. At the 3, he allowed a PER of 17.4. At the 5, he allowed an average PER of just 5.6 although opposing teams went after him with more shot attempts here.
He is scheduled to make 13,358,905 next season. I believe Cleveland gives this guy up in a heartbeat. A JRich swap would work nice financially and he plays surprisingly effective defense but he's 34, much older than our ideal guy, and his contract is a bit of an albatross. I'm not sure when it runs out.
David West - 6'9", 240. Has a sweet jumper and can go inside as well, but not considered a beastly banger.
BR of 3.2
RBR of 22.0, averaging 0.21 per minute.
Defensively, displays better numbers than expected. Gives up an average PER of 16.4 to opposing 4's, 19.9 points/48 minutes. Against opposing 5's, gives up an average PER of 18.7, 18.8 points/48. At the 3, he gets smoked and is not worth mentioning.
Next year is scheduled to make $8,287,500. Another one of those franchises that always seems to be in a state of flux. You never know what could become available. If they're willing to trade Chris Paul, which rumor has it is true, you can bet David West is far from untouchable. The sweetest part is it could come cheaply, as they have an aversion to taking on salary. This club's financial woes could be our club's gain.
Elton Brand - 6'9", 254. Inside guy.
BR of 5.5.
RBR of 21.6, averaging about 0.20 boards per minute last season. I fear his days of inhaling rebounds are well behind him.
Defensively, gave up an average PER of 19.2 at the 4, 20.8 points/48. At the 5, he gave up an average PER of 16.0, 15.9 points/48. Surprisingly good numbers.
Scheduled to make $15,959,099 next season, Philadelphia would throw in a reach around to get this deal done, as they've been looking to unload this contract for a long time. JRich for Brand works straight up and you'd have a friend for life in Philadelphia
.Luis Scola - 6'9", 245. Slow but a crafty inside player.
BR of 1.6
RBR of 27.9, grabbed 21.4% of his team's defensive rebounding opportunites while on court. Averaged about 0.26 boards per minute.
Defensively, gave up an average PER of 21.1 to opposing 4's, allowing 22.4 points/48. At the 5, he allowed an average PER of 15.5, giving up just 16.8 points/48.
Available for pick-up but would take something enticing for Houston to bite. A nice player to have though a bit slow of foot, would give us some inside grit and craftiness.
Ok there's a few names to consider. Might add a few more. What does everyone think? Who would you want? Feel free to bring someone up that's not listed.
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