The official Gannon/Monti/Petzing should be fired thread……

[Chopper0080]

Last week was the first week I didn't watch live. A day late on the snap counts thread. I find the backing of Murray as hilarious as the backing of Monti and/or Gannon. They all have losing records and all contributed to those losing records. It's not even worth debating because all of the counter arguments are ignorant, disingenuous, or just dick riding. My wishlist is Kyler gone because he is an awful watch playing QB. Both Gannon and Monti gone, but at least Petzing gone if Bidwill brings them back. I get excited to watch Nolen play and he plays 24 defensive snaps.

 

[BritCard]

So Kyler is the main issue why we’ve had back to back blowout losses when he’s not starting?

Simple question. Do you think we would have won the games Kyler lost had Kyler had a 99 passer rating and an extra yard and a half per pass attempt?

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[Mulli]

The QB debates going all the way back to Stan Gelbaugh would be funny if they weren’t so sad.

Neither Baby Yoda or Jacoby are good enough to overcome the rest of the team I now hate watch/don’t watch.

Sad.

 

[football karma]

Is Kittle's block on Simon 5 yards downfield, preventing him from getting to McCaffrey, legal?

i saw that in the replay and thought it could have been called offensive pass interference

that said -- its a lot to ask a MLB -- even a Fred Warner -- to get out to cover CMC in space from that position on the field. Especially when just prior to the snap, CMC gives some motion in that direction to get leverage. All Cody's help is in the middle of the field -- so maybe his job was to keep outside leverage on CMC and just didnt.

 

[Dback Jon]

Only Kyler stans talk like this.

Kyler is on IR, so clearly, he is blameless in the recent losses.

Does not mean he would have done any better whatsoever. Just means he is not even in the equation because of his injured status.

Only KDSians fail to realize the major problems aren't at QB

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Only KDSians fail to realize the major problems aren't at QB

We've seen 7 years of Kyler. He is not the answer. He won't lead us anywhere. He won't lead another team anywhere. He is too small and has other limitations. Jacoby is not the long-term answer, but he has definitely shown that greater things are possible offensively with a different QB behind center.

 

[Dback Jon]

Simple question. Do you think we would have won the games Kyler lost had Kyler had a 99 passer rating and an extra yard and a half per pass attempt?

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Brissette racked up most of those stats in two straight blow outs - so your point really is invalid to begin with

Titans - we would have won if Demarcado hadn't dropped the ball. No change in what Kyler did was needed.
Seahawks - yes, Kyler could have played better, but he still had the Cardinals in a position to go to OT if not for the Cardinals horrid ST and Rallis' D.
49ers' - Kyler had the Cardinals with a lead until 4 seconds left. 49er's got FG's with 20 seconds left in the half, and 4 seconds left in the game - all thanks to Rallis' pansy Defense

 

[Dback Jon]

We've seen 7 years of Kyler. He is not the answer. He won't lead us anywhere. He won't lead another team anywhere. He is too small and has other limitations. Jacoby is not the long-term answer, but he has definitely shown that greater things are possible offensively with a different QB behind center.

And as I have said, Kyler and Cardinals need a divorce.
He is still better than what multiple teams are putting out there.

And Kyler still gave/gives the Cardinals a better chance at winning games. But I know you disagree, but that is why we have our own opinions.

 

[Dback Jon]

Can you both of you just agree that the franchise just needs a complete makeover? From the Coaching to the QB to everything?

Otherwise, this is the most pointless discussion ever.

I have stated that.

I want everything changed.

But until people recognize that QB is way down on why the Cardinals are a three win team going nowhere, it is short-sighted to pile on to Kyler (or JB) when the issues are far, far deeper. Both could be more effective with a good O-line. Both would have more wins with a good defense. Both would be better with a coaching staff that wasn't afraid of their own shadows Both would be better with a GM that recognized talent.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

i hope mikey fires gone'n sarcastically

"this isn't on your staff this is on me"

 

[unseenaz]

When you listen to a Gannon press conference or radio interview you say "man, this guy gets it" but literally nothing else matches that. idk what to make of him at this point. maybe he's the fakest guy around.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Is Kittle's block on Simon 5 yards downfield, preventing him from getting to McCaffrey, legal?

McCaffrey said after the game it was a broken play. He didn't run the route as it was designed and the Purdy saw what he was doing and hit him. After the play McCaffrey went to Brock and point to his head meaning smart play. So I guess he doesn't just run the plays that's called.

 

[JosiahLee]

It’s being reported JG and Monti’s jobs are safe going into next season.

I get that MB needs to be patient, but there is a fine line between being patient and enabling bad coaches. When it’s year 3 and the team is showing serious signs of regression I don’t fully under the logic of not making changes.

I’m guessing MB feels handcuffed and doesn’t want to scare off future HCs by appearing to be impatient.

 

[WisconsinCard]

McCaffrey said after the game it was a broken play. He didn't run the route as it was designed and the Purdy saw what he was doing and hit him. After the play McCaffrey went to Brock and point to his head meaning smart play. So I guess he doesn't just run the plays that's called.

Found it on X

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[DaHilg]

Yes, Kyler caused Demarcado to drop the ball just before a game ceiling touchdown

Yes, Kyler caused Rallis to not blitz input pressure on rookie quarterbacks

Please don’t forget… Marvs drops in the SF game, Demarcados easy walk in touchdown drop and Zays game ending drop.. all would have resulted in a W vs SF…. ALL KYLERS FAULT.

Kyler is a terrible fit in this terrible offensive scheme - no argument there. Perhaps the worse pairing in this league.

Even with the best pairing for QB/Petz this offense still fails as it stands today between coaching and personal. I think we all can agree to that at his point.

What is wild is we would have been 4-1 with the worse pairing possible had routine plays had been completed by “professionals”.. what’s even more wild is the the team could have at least had a chance at even being 5-0 had it not been a dumb coaching decision via the end of the Seattle game.

To me that is wild considering admittedly, combining Kyler with Petz is the worse starting QB/OC combo in the league. Would have been the most flawed 4-1/5-0 team in the league.. with very apparently ZERO WILLINGNESS to adapt in everyone seeing these flaws.

 

[DaHilg]

So Kyler is the main issue why we’ve had back to back blowout losses when he’s not starting?

Brit just got shoved in the locker… ouch

 

[Proteus]

It’s being reported JG and Monti’s jobs are safe going into next season.

I get that MB needs to be patient, but there is a fine line between being patient and enabling bad coaches. When it’s year 3 and the team is showing serious signs of regression I don’t fully under the logic of not making changes.

I’m guessing MB feels handcuffed and doesn’t want to scare off future HCs by appearing to be impatient.

I think it's quite reasonable to expect a team to at least once have a record of .500 (or better) in the first three years of a new head coach. Typically when that doesn't happen the head coach gets fired. I don't understand it being viewed as impatient.

 

[Dayman]

I think it's quite reasonable to expect a team to at least once have a record of .500 (or better) in the first three years of a new head coach. Typically when that doesn't happen the head coach gets fired. I don't understand it being viewed as impatient.

Even the Cardinals have typically fired coaches without a winning record in their first 3 years. You have to go back to Joe Bugel to find a Cardinal coach who survived more than 3 years without breaking .500 in a season.

 

[JosiahLee]

I think it's quite reasonable to expect a team to at least once have a record of .500 (or better) in the first three years of a new head coach. Typically when that doesn't happen the head coach gets fired. I don't understand it being viewed as impatient.

I'm with you. It doesn't make sense. The only thing I can think of is:

A) MB is too cheap to pay three head coaches at the same time (because Kliff and JG would still be on the books next year)
B) MB knows AZ won't be at the top of any great candidates list, especially if we fire another HC, and especially if you are walking into a job where the qb position isn't settled.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Shuffling through a never-ending parade of coaches has not been the solution in the past, so why continue? Take a stand, say, "This is our guy, at least through his contract, or once he has had a shot with HIS own QB." Would be nice to try and change the culture here. Rather than rinse and repeat every three or four seasons in perpetuity.

 

[Dback Jon]

So we now have Gannonstans? Bidwillstans? Rallistans? Jacobystans?

We have a regular Central Asia going on here

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So we now have Gannonstans? Bidwillstans? Rallistans? Jacobystans?

We have a regular Central Asia going on here

You're a Bidwillstan if you think him continuing to plow through head coaches every 3 to 4 years is best for the franchise. That's what he and the family have done for what seems like forever. We are on our 12th head coach since the team moved here.

 

[Dback Jon]

You're a Bidwillstan if you think him continuing to plow through head coaches every 3 to 4 years is best for the franchise. That's what he and the family have done for what seems like forever. We are on our 12th head coach since the team moved here.

Nah, I am an antiBidwillian. So what, you want to keep Gannon for another 3 to 4 years, just because?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Shuffling through a never-ending parade of coaches has not been the solution in the past, so why continue? Take a stand, say, "This is our guy, at least through his contract, or once he has had a shot with HIS own QB." Would be nice to try and change the culture here. Rather than rinse and repeat every three or four seasons in

gannon setting records for suckiness (after going 9-8 last year) and this is the logic?

 

[az jam]

The reality is that JG's job is not safe. What happens in the next 7 games will determine his future. Bidwill is not a patient owner. If the Cards keep getting blown out JG will not last the season.