QB School: A Primer for Knowing What to Look for in the Draft

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QB School: A Primer for Knowing What to Look for in the Draft
The team needs a QB. You’re stunned, I know.
The next X months will be spent talking a lot about which prospects are hot, which are cold, which retain heat in the winter, and which stay cool in the summer. Oh and some folks will throw out some lingo that may zip by your ear.

Don’t sweat it, ASFN has your back (even if we’re busy calling you stupid in another thread). :D

When you hear a reference to QB mechanics the person is typically referring to the degree of refinement a player has in muscle memory. Players with good mechanics usually (not always) make better QBs, but that isn’t the end of it just the start.

This isn’t a perfect guide, so if I get something wrong the say so, we want to be right, not pretty (hell, I can’t get prettier anyhow).

If you find any great articles or videos link them!


Watch the feet
Vocabulary:
Hitch step - sliding the feet together (never backpedaling)

Cross over - picking up the trailing foot and planting it before bring the opposite foot back.

When dropping back the feet need to get good clearance off the ground, two inches is usually fine, but the idea is to not get the cleat caught in the ground or stepped on. The QB has to have good balance throughout the drop, the legs shouldn’t ever get so far apart that his center of balance is thrown off. When planting his feet should be under his hips.

Because I’m lazy I may accidentally use “you” instead of “the QB”. Don’t worry, you’re not getting drafted.

3-Step Drop Technique
Three-step drops are for short pass patterns such as a quick out, a hitch or a slant. Timing is the key to the success of those passes. The QB must drop back and deliver the ball quickly without hesitation.

  1. Take the first step away from the line of scrimmage with the foot on the side of the passing hand (if you’re right handed this means your first step back is with your right foot).
  2. Follow with a crossover step* with your other foot behind the first foot and finally a third step with the foot on the side of your passing hand (so again, if you’re right footed you’re right foot).
  3. Use your third step to stop your momentum away from the line.
  4. Bring your other foot back so both feet are under your hips.

*If the ball needs to come out quicker then don’t use the cross-over step use a hitch step. If you need to give the receiver time you cross -or- QBs can buy time by taking hitch steps forward or to the side after the initial drop back.

For example, check out this fancy stuff:



Five and seven-step drops work like a three step cross-over does, ball foot back (1) crossover (2) crossover (3) crossover (4) then if it’s a five use the fifth step to stop momentum. If it’s a seven stepper then the fifth and sixth steps become crossovers and the seventh is the momentum stop.


So the foot opposite the ball foot (usually the left) now becomes the plant foot. The QB should use a hitch step to shift his body momentum onto his front foot. More on this after we talk about where the ball’s at.


Easy, right? Well in theory.

Watch the ball
While dropping back, the ball should be high on the numbers and firmly against the body of the jersey with the ball slightly below the chin. The elbows should stay controlled, not winged out too dramatically. You want to keep the ball there as long as you can, don’t tip your hand by dropping it to the belly (for the run) or try to use a wind-up to get velocity.

One of the reasons people got on Tebow was because of a loop in his motion that elongated his delivery. He held the ball too low and when he needed to pass the extra time it took for him to bring the ball up allowed defenses to anticipate his throw. Yeah, they’re that fast.


Watch the hips/rotation/follow-through
Now you’ll be transferring momentum to your plant foot; aim the toes of this foot directly at where you want the ball to go. Your entire body, including your hips, will point at the spot you want to deliver the ball. Move the hips, chest and shoulders toward your target, ahead of your passing arm and hand.

Remember that target isn’t always the receiver, all routes require anticipation and timing so it’s far more likely a QB is trying to throw it to a spot where it gives his guy the best crack at it.


Pro Tip: Passing velocity comes not only from arm strength but from total body momentum.

If you’re someplace you’re comfortable, like at home or on a bus, try this exercise: throw a standing punch without moving your body.
Not that impressive.
Now roll your body into it, lead like you’ve just been taught to throw a ball feet to hips to shoulder in a smooth roll.
More power right?
Don’t mind the octogenarian you just laid out? She had it coming.

But at the same time; watch the arm
Remember you’re standing tall (like Dwayne Johnson) with both feet under your hips at this point. Ball securely in both hands, chest high (check out Aaron Rodgers, he's great at this).

Prepare to throw:

  1. Remove your non passing hand from the ball (if you’re Dante Culpepper remove both hands from the ball and look around wildly).
  2. Bring back your passing hand, and bend your elbow.
  3. Position the ball above your shoulder pads and behind your helmet. Your arm should make an “L”.

Begin the passing motion:

  1. Bring your passing arm and hand forward, keeping your elbow bent and the ball held high.

    Pro Tip: When you hear someone talking about a high release point they’re talking about the ball being as high as it can when it leaves the QB’s hand. This helps to minimize the chance of the pass being batted at the line of scrimmage. Or pinging the ball off the back of a lineman’s head. Check out Drew Brees. 6 ft but he doesn’t get a lot of passes knocked down.

  2. Bring your passing arm forward as you release the ball.
  3. Let the forearm pass over and in front of your passing arm's elbow.
  4. As your hand comes forward, release the ball in a nice, tight spiral, flicking the wrist as the ball leaves the hand.

The follow-through is often forgotten, but very important:

  1. Make sure that your hand and fully extended passing arm are pointed directly at your target.
  2. After you release the ball, rotate your passing hand to the inside.
  3. Finish the passing motion with your palm facing the ground.
  4. Your shoulder should now also be pointed at the target.
  5. Hold that position for a beat after the throw.

    Pro Tip: Some NFL players try to generate more velocity by focusing torque on their shoulder, some try to add the torque using their elbow.

Putting it all together
Dan Fleming (in his amazing ESPN draft article from 2010) does a gorgeous job of telling us why motion in harmony is desirable, so we’ll let him take it out:
Dan Fleming said:
The hand, wrist, elbow and shoulder came together to form a perfect L. That allowed the rotational force created by his body to transfer, cleanly and precisely, through his hips, torso and shoulders and into the ball. "It's a lot like a golf swing," he says. "You don't have to squeeze the ball, grit your teeth and throw as hard as you can to get what you want out of a pass. Just like a smooth swing gets the ball down the middle of the fairway, you want a smooth motion. And the reason you practice so much is so you're not thinking about it -- you're just hitting it."
Dan Fleming said:
“As his shoulders rotate to the target, his arm acts as a lever, whipped forward by the force of his body's torque. As his arm swings, he keeps his elbow above the shoulder and bent as close to 90 degrees as possible, turning it into a powerful fulcrum. To perfect this stage of his motion, he constantly pauses midthrow during practice and pushes against the ball with his left hand. When his elbow is aligned, the resistance is strong, stable. But if it's off, even a few degrees too low or outside, he can feel the strain under his elbow or in the back of his shoulder.

Everything Else

Don’t kill a guy for a mediocre combine showing, the Rams GM offers this reminder (also from EPSN): "You'd love to see them work out here, but for a quarterback [the combine] is not the greatest environment," said general manager Billy Devaney, whose Rams have the No. 1 pick in April. "They're out there throwing to receivers they've never thrown to before, they're throwing routes they maybe haven't thrown in college. It's hard to get into a groove when you throw three balls and go to the end of the line and then throw three more."

Look for the system they played in college. Does it feature a lot of snaps from center or shotgun? Is there complex routes and passing trees? Is the offense built to spread the field and take on mismatches or do they line up in more “traditional” sets? That doesn’t mean you let the system dictate readiness, both Quinn and Clausen came from the same Charlie Weiss’ system that gave them a supposed advantage over guys like Kolb or Bradford who have less-common offenses and while all still have much to prove Bradford looks like the best of the bunch.


Pros and their motions
Watch some highlights of these guys and see if you can pick up their unusual arm mechanics.

Aaron Rodgers - prototypical
Tom Brady - prototypical
Peyton Manning - prototypical
Drew Brees - prototypical
Byron Leftwich - windup
Tim Tebow - windup
Phillip Rivers - sidearm
Tavaris Jackson - ¾
Kurt Warner - ¾
Farve - does whatever he wants
 
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"Watch the hips/rotation/follow-through
Now you’ll be transferring momentum to your plant foot; aim the toes of this foot directly at where you want the ball to go. Your entire body, including your hips, will point at the spot you want to deliver the ball. Move the hips, chest and shoulders toward your target, ahead of your passing arm and hand.

Remember that target isn’t always the receiver, all routes require anticipation and timing so it’s far more likely a QB is trying to throw it to a spot where it gives his guy the best crack at it.


Pro Tip: Passing velocity comes not only from arm strength but from total body momentum. "
My favorite part.
 

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Excellent work and effort and info and humor!!!!!!!
 

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Excellent post.

Bradford who have less-common offenses and while all still have much to prove Bradford looks like the best of the bunch.

Stats for the rookies for 2010:

Bradford 16 starts 6.0 yards per attempt 76.5 QB rating
Clausen 10, 5.2, 58.4
McCoy 8, 7.1, 74.5
Skelton 4, 5.3, 62.3
Tebow 3, 8.0 82.1

Marino 9, 7.5, 96.0
Manning 16, 6.5, 71.2
Elway 10, 6.4, 54.9
Brady 0, 2.0, 42.4
Plummer 9, 7.4, 73.1

What does this tell us? Nothing. :D
 
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Bill Walsh and Joe Montana show us the three-step drop.

And the Sanchez footwork I can't seem to get to embed in the main post.
 
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How about CBS you don't like their player evals?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/415213

Has an athletic frame and while not overly muscled, he has good thigh and calf thickness, long arms, large hands and good mobility in the pocket … Has the foot work needed to get to his throwing point quickly … Has a compact release, keeping the ball high to unleash deep tosses with ease … Puts good velocity behind his tosses and is good at getting the ball over the outside shoulder of his target … Displays good touch and timing on his passes, showing good improvement in waiting for plays to develop rather than forcing the ball into a crowd in 2004 … Cool under pressure and has enough short area speed to step up to avoid the pass rush … Has good command on the field and in the huddle … His short touch allows him to hit his receivers in stride … Gets good trajectory and velocity behind his long throws … Makes good adjustment calls at the line of scrimmage and shows a good feel for the edge rush and inside blitzes … Does a good job of looking off his primary target to locate the secondary receivers … Has enough mobility to roll out in either direction … Runs with a normal stride, building to top speed on occasions when he runs with the ball … Has the leg strength to break tackles … Good decision maker who will absorb a few hits while waiting for his targets to get open.

is one of the elite performers in the collegiate ranks. He was the unquestioned leader of the most dominating team in the country and led the squad in its quest for a third consecutive national title. The left-handed quarterback recovered from left elbow surgery that forced him to miss 2005 spring drills. He also dealt well with the loss of his mentor, offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who left for the same position in the NFL with the Tennessee Titans
 

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How about CBS you don't like their player evals?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/415213

Has an athletic frame and while not overly muscled, he has good thigh and calf thickness, long arms, large hands and good mobility in the pocket … Has the foot work needed to get to his throwing point quickly … Has a compact release, keeping the ball high to unleash deep tosses with ease … Puts good velocity behind his tosses and is good at getting the ball over the outside shoulder of his target … Displays good touch and timing on his passes, showing good improvement in waiting for plays to develop rather than forcing the ball into a crowd in 2004 … Cool under pressure and has enough short area speed to step up to avoid the pass rush … Has good command on the field and in the huddle … His short touch allows him to hit his receivers in stride … Gets good trajectory and velocity behind his long throws … Makes good adjustment calls at the line of scrimmage and shows a good feel for the edge rush and inside blitzes … Does a good job of looking off his primary target to locate the secondary receivers … Has enough mobility to roll out in either direction … Runs with a normal stride, building to top speed on occasions when he runs with the ball … Has the leg strength to break tackles … Good decision maker who will absorb a few hits while waiting for his targets to get open.

is one of the elite performers in the collegiate ranks. He was the unquestioned leader of the most dominating team in the country and led the squad in its quest for a third consecutive national title. The left-handed quarterback recovered from left elbow surgery that forced him to miss 2005 spring drills. He also dealt well with the loss of his mentor, offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who left for the same position in the NFL with the Tennessee Titans
meaningless at this point.
 

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How about CBS you don't like their player evals?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/415213

Has an athletic frame and while not overly muscled, he has good thigh and calf thickness, long arms, large hands and good mobility in the pocket … Has the foot work needed to get to his throwing point quickly … Has a compact release, keeping the ball high to unleash deep tosses with ease … Puts good velocity behind his tosses and is good at getting the ball over the outside shoulder of his target … Displays good touch and timing on his passes, showing good improvement in waiting for plays to develop rather than forcing the ball into a crowd in 2004 … Cool under pressure and has enough short area speed to step up to avoid the pass rush … Has good command on the field and in the huddle … His short touch allows him to hit his receivers in stride … Gets good trajectory and velocity behind his long throws … Makes good adjustment calls at the line of scrimmage and shows a good feel for the edge rush and inside blitzes … Does a good job of looking off his primary target to locate the secondary receivers … Has enough mobility to roll out in either direction … Runs with a normal stride, building to top speed on occasions when he runs with the ball … Has the leg strength to break tackles … Good decision maker who will absorb a few hits while waiting for his targets to get open.

is one of the elite performers in the collegiate ranks. He was the unquestioned leader of the most dominating team in the country and led the squad in its quest for a third consecutive national title. The left-handed quarterback recovered from left elbow surgery that forced him to miss 2005 spring drills. He also dealt well with the loss of his mentor, offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who left for the same position in the NFL with the Tennessee Titans

You can't really account for what's between the ears and what's beating in the chest until you get them into competition at this level. Leinart has good mechanics. He always has. He just hasn't shown the mental makeup.

*shrug*

Great stuff, SuperSpck. This post should be stickied.
 
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Dilfer (who's surprisingly interesting at length) had this to say during his appearance on the BS Report. Like the rest of the thread it's a primer that doesn't re-invent what we know, just a refresher and it could prove to be helpful:

1) You have to have "enough" of all the qualities to be a successful QB, but still find the Alpha males capable of leading the other alpha males.
the implication is that you can be a great leader, but you have to be a good enough mechanical passer to make leadership work. You can be a great passer, but if you're an emotional asshat no one will follow. It seems to not be about being exceptional in a bunch of separate regards but the total being greater then the parts, with an emphasis on leadership.

2) You can learn a lot from adversity; after a mistake does he "flinch"? Do the things that go wrong motivate? Rodgers may have developed into a much better guy because of his adversity. Perhaps sitting on the bench upset/pushed him further then if he were handed the reins?
 

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You can't really account for what's between the ears and what's beating in the chest until you get them into competition at this level. Leinart has good mechanics. He always has. He just hasn't shown the mental makeup.

*shrug*

Great stuff, SuperSpck. This post should be stickied.

It's tempting to say that but that's not what I think at all.

I think he fit our coach poorly in the extreme, marginal arm for a coach who likes a bigger arm and a total mismatch on approaches to the game.

I would not ever write off a QB that fast in that case, I don't call him a failure, I call him a failure on our team, not the same thing.

Thomas Jones was a failure on our team, he has not been a failure in general, there are other examples at other positions, time will tell if Matt is another or not.
 

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Charley Casserly was just on Fox's pregame for the Chiefs/Ravens game, had him rate the QB's post Luck staying in school.

He had Gabbert as the best of the rest, homer and all we should with our situation, take him IMO, with a vet signed to start next year, even though I cringe at this and sending Gabbert into the Whiz grinder, it's the best move IMO for us to make long term.

We should take him with the 5th pick and be done with it, that would be the best move for us IMO.

I'd be ok with trading down to get him if you were SURE he'd be there later, but I personally wouldn't mess around with all that, the 5th pick IMO is about right anyhow, wouldn't trade up to get him, would not go that far but I would take him if he's there.
 
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Charley Casserly was just on Fox's pregame for the Chiefs/Ravens game, had him rate the QB's post Luck staying in school.

He had Gabbert as the best of the rest, homer and all we should with our situation, take him IMO, with a vet signed to start next year, even though I cringe at this and sending Gabbert into the Whiz grinder, it's the best move IMO for us to make long term.

We should take him with the 5th pick and be done with it, that would be the best move for us IMO.

I'd be ok with trading down to get him if you were SURE he'd be there later, but I personally wouldn't mess around with all that, the 5th pick IMO is about right anyhow, wouldn't trade up to get him, would not go that far but I would take him if he's there.

I like it1
 

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I like it1

Need to setup Whiz and him on a man date, make sure Whiz dosen't hate him, maybe someone should tell Gabbert to mention he was in cub scouts and used to make mean use out of tinker toys? :D
 

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