Potential Kyler Trade (Grain of Salt)

[TK421]

Look how many thought Russell Wilson still had it. Denver sold the farm, then the Giants and then the Steelers.

Can't really compare a player with 2 SB appearances including a SB win to a player who has a 0-1 playoff record in 6 seasons.

 

[slanidrac16]

Can't really compare a player with 2 SB appearances including a SB win to a player who has a 0-1 playoff record in 6 seasons.

My point is Wilson appeared to be done but Denver overpaid. They took the hit and the Giants thought , “ What the hell. He’s better than what we got.” He wasn’t and then the Steelers .
I see teams like the Saints and the Browns might be interested. We won’t get a lot but there will be interest.

 

[TK421]

My point is Wilson appeared to be done but Denver overpaid. They took the hit and the Giants thought , “ What the hell. He’s better than what we got.” He wasn’t and then the Steelers .
I see teams like the Saints and the Browns might be interested. We won’t get a lot but there will be interest.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there is any team out there willing to take on his contract, but at this point I just don't see any qb needy team willing to overpay for him when there are other cheaper options out there.

 

[HairZach]

So many similarities with Kyler and Wilson. Wilson was incredibly well thought of in 2021, with many people blaming his OC/OL/headcoach for his recent inconsistent play. That season Wilson missed 4 games with an injury and Geno Smith quietly outperformed him, not much was said because they lost 3/4 of those games. The next season Wilson was gone

Theres a good chance Jacoby is a bridge QB next year, just like Geno.

Of course the difference is Wilson's reputation was so good Seattle got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 5th, a decent DL, and a decent TE out of the deal.

 

[kerouac9]

Look how many thought Russell Wilson still had it. Denver sold the farm, then the Giants and then the Steelers.

Denver traded for him following a Pro Bowl campaign. The Steelers picked him up for $3 million or so. The Giants got him for 1 year, $11 million.

This is not trading something of value for a guy who went 2-3 and got benched for Jacoby Brissett and is guaranteed $42 million.

 

[Stout]

Look how many thought Russell Wilson still had it. Denver sold the farm, then the Giants and then the Steelers.

The Giants and Stillers didn't sell the farm--they signed him on cheap FA deals. Only Denver sold the farm. But it only takes one team...

 

[BullheadCardFan]

But it only takes one team...

This

There needs to be a team that thinks they can salvage him

 

[DaHilg]

I hope so but the “some team out there” strategy rarely seems to work out

Worked great for Dimes, Darnold and Baker who were all written off on crap franchises. It will be interested to see whoever takes a flyer on him tries to do anything but make the guy a pocket passer.

Not saying he succeeds elsewhere, just saying the next gig will be interesting.

 

[DaHilg]

My point is Wilson appeared to be done but Denver overpaid. They took the hit and the Giants thought , “ What the hell. He’s better than what we got.” He wasn’t and then the Steelers .
I see teams like the Saints and the Browns might be interested. We won’t get a lot but there will be interest.

Simply no way Browns are interested based on the Petz connection.

I’d say Saints, Jets, Raiders and pending how JJ looks the rest of the season - Vikings are probable the most likely suitors… w 1 of the above getting crossed out (jets?) as they likely will be more interested in whoever the top QB is in the draft. Saints might be tired of young QBs after this years experiment.

 

[kerouac9]

Worked great for Dimes, Darnold and Baker who were all written off on crap franchises. It will be interested to see whoever takes a flyer on him tries to do anything but make the guy a pocket passer.

Not saying he succeeds elsewhere, just saying the next gig will be interesting.

Oh what did their original franchises get for those guys in trade?

I don’t care much whether Kyler finds his way out of the wilderness with another franchise. I’ve never been much of a Kyler fan. I am very much interested in how this separation will impact the Arizona Cardinals.

People just seem real confident there will be a market for a player on a $36 million contract who just got benched. I wish that confidence was powered by more than hopium.

 

[football karma]

People just seem real confident there will be a market for a player on a $36 million contract who just got benched. I wish that confidence was powered by more than hopium.

i dont know if any team will have interest, but-

by paying the roster bonus of $17mm, the Cards can turn that contract into a 1 year $20mm contract with (effectively) a team option for 2027 at ~$20mm

Given the dearth of QB talent in this draft -- there will be a couple teams who have no real options at QB that wont be able to draft one --

im looking at CLE and MIA as teams that likely will win enough to be outside of QB range.

Kinda doubt compensation will be much -- i view it as a cap exercise as much as a trade

 

[kerouac9]

i dont know if any team will have interest, but-

by paying the roster bonus of $17mm, the Cards can turn that contract into a 1 year $20mm contract with (effectively) a team option for 2027 at ~$20mm

Given the dearth of QB talent in this draft -- there will be a couple teams who have no real options at QB that wont be able to draft one --

im looking at CLE and MIA as teams that likely will win enough to be outside of QB range.

Kinda doubt compensation will be much -- i view it as a cap exercise as much as a trade

Yeah I’m doubtful about Bidwill being willing to pay that roster bonus for Kyler not to play for the Cards.

I have zero doubt that Kyler would have a market as an unrestricted free agent. He’d have an even bigger market if he decides to go Revenge Mode and play for a one-year, $5 million deal and collect the other $32 million from Michael while he plays for Washington or whatever.

As I said elsewhere: I’d trade Kyler for a sixth right now for some team to take his contract obligations. It seems like a lot of people think there’s a market to get additional value there, but when pressed you get nonsense like “it only takes one.”

 

[Harry]

The list of potential rehabilitation QBs is weak. The same could be said of QBs being offered in trades. The Cards literally have the best option on the market. The only would might have the potential to start for a playoff contender. That is guaranteed to draw interest if the Cards are patient, which is Ossenfort’s style. It might not take long though, because with this shortage I anticipate competing offers. Ossenfort will set a target and once hit he’ll make his move.

 

[BirdGangThing]

for kyler to be able to pick and choose where he goes he'll have to be let go - guaranteed that's what he and his agent want - there's no loyalty to arizona after the petzing and the benching - they will force monti's hand - that's what i would do lol screw being shipped off to a crap situation for a 5th round draft pick - im trying to resurrect my career

 

[DaHilg]

Oh what did their original franchises get for those guys in trade?

I don’t care much whether Kyler finds his way out of the wilderness with another franchise. I’ve never been much of a Kyler fan. I am very much interested in how this separation will impact the Arizona Cardinals.

People just seem real confident there will be a market for a player on a $36 million contract who just got benched. I wish that confidence was powered by more than hopium.

I never referenced what they got in trade for them. Was simply referencing someone will take a chance on him 100%.

I don’t think we will get squat for him. I think it will be a far lesser of a Brock O type of thing. We take on a portion of his salary in a deal for a 3rd or 4th round pick coming back to us.

 

[DaHilg]

The list of potential rehabilitation QBs is weak. The same could be said of QBs being offered in trades. The Cards literally have the best option on the market. The only would might have the potential to start for a playoff contender. That is guaranteed to draw interest if the Cards are patient, which is Ossenfort’s style. It might not take long though, because with this shortage I anticipate competing offers. Ossenfort will set a target and once hit he’ll make his move.

Brock O and Kyler only have the comparison in you are taking on cap to get rid of him. It stops there.

 

[football karma]

Yeah I’m doubtful about Bidwill being willing to pay that roster bonus for Kyler not to play for the Cards.

as of today -- the baseline if they cut him is Mike paying $36m or so for Kyler not to play for him

so -- paying $17m to save $19m or so in a trade probably sounds pretty good to him.

 

[slanidrac16]

The Giants and Stillers didn't sell the farm--they signed him on cheap FA deals. Only Denver sold the farm. But it only takes one team...

Correct, but the point was no matter what we think( know) about Kyler there will be someone out there that will believe they can “ fix” him and tailor an offense just for him.

 

[kerouac9]

as of today -- the baseline if they cut him is Mike paying $36m or so for Kyler not to play for him

so -- paying $17m to save $19m or so in a trade probably sounds pretty good to him.

My operating theory is there’s no chance they cut him. They kept a completely cooked Colt McCoy on the roster throughout 2023 training camp because he had like $3MM of guaranteed salary.

 

[kerouac9]

Correct, but the point was no matter what we think( know) about Kyler there will be someone out there that will believe they can “ fix” him and tailor an offense just for him.

No one disputes this. It just depends on how much someone is willing to pay to find out. That’s what matters to Cardinals fans/not Kyler fans.

Someone believed they could fix Trey Lance, also.

I don’t think anyone believes they can tailor an offense for Kyler after two coaching groups have tried though.

 

[slanidrac16]

No one disputes this. It just depends on how much someone is willing to pay to find out. That’s what matters to Cardinals fans/not Kyler fans.

Someone believed they could fix Trey Lance, also.

I don’t think anyone believes they can tailor an offense for Kyler after two coaching groups have tried though.

Good points, but there are a lot of egos out there that will believe they can get the best out of Kyler.

 

[DaHilg]

No one disputes this. It just depends on how much someone is willing to pay to find out. That’s what matters to Cardinals fans/not Kyler fans.

Someone believed they could fix Trey Lance, also.

I don’t think anyone believes they can tailor an offense for Kyler after two coaching groups have tried though.

Disagree completely. Someone will say, “these 2 1st OC’s tried to make him a pocket passer, his skillset and talent is not this”.

And I don’t care what the psychologist here want to say about what kyler likes and doesn’t like… there will be a HC or OC that will for once attempt to run an offense that emphasizes on Kyler’s attributes rather than molding into their own concepts. More in a fashion of what was done for Lamar and Hurts (different styles but not traditional pocket passers… regardless if they take some hits - which I rarely see Lamar do).

These guys also have had top 5 offensive lines for their entire careers as well… something that I think we can all agree is an absolute must for kyler

 

[kerouac9]

Good points, but there are a lot of egos out there that will believe they can get the best out of Kyler.

Who is going to be willing to stake their job on that though?

 

[slanidrac16]

Who is going to be willing to stake their job on that though?

That’s the $99,000 question.

 

[QuebecCard]

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there is any team out there willing to take on his contract, but at this point I just don't see any qb needy team willing to overpay for him when there are other cheaper options out there.

It may come as a surprise to some, but Kyler has a vote too.

If he's not happy with the destination, his reps will make it clear, and that will kill any trade.

The most likely scenario, if they part ways after this season and absorb the cap hit, is a release. (IMO)

SPOTRAC

A 2026 Release
If the Cardinals look to outright release Murray next March, they'll be dealing with $57.7 million of dead cap ($39 million of which stems from a salary guarantee). By designating him a Post June 1st Release, the dead cap would split slightly ($50.5M in 2026, $7.2M in 2027).

A 2026 Trade
If a trade partner were to emerge, the financial burden would decrease significantly for Arizona, as the dead cap would drop to $17.9 million. However, this would require a team taking on the following contract:

2026: $42.535M ($39.8M guaranteed)
2027: $36.335M ($19.5M guaranteed)
2028: $46.35M (non-guaranteed)

P.S. Kyler at the end of this season will have garnered $170 million in salary.