OT: Why you don't draft a kicker in the 2nd round

[Kel Varnsen]

Funny how much this guy is wrong


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...dds-in-a-coin-flip-arent-quite-5050-145465423

That's just because Clete Blakeman was in the sample.

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[Cardiac]

Top FG kickers by %

Dan Bailey - 90.566% UDFA
Justin Tucker - 87.838% UDFA
Stephen Gostkowski - 87.342% 4th rd.
Steven Hauschka -86,813% UDFA
Mike Vanderjagt - 86.466% UDFA
Nate Kaeding 86.190% 2004-2012 2TM 3rd rd.
7 Rob Bironas 85.663% 2005-2013 oti UDFA
8 Shayne Graham 85.494% 2001-2015 10T UDFA
9 Robbie Gould 85.449% 2005-2015 chi UDFA
10 Blair Walsh 85.211% 2012-2015 min 6th rd
11 Matt Bryant 84.986% 2002-2015 5TM UDFA
12 Dan Carpenter 84.766% 2008-2015 2TM UDFA
13 Connor Barth 84.756% 2008-2015 3TM UDFA
14 Phil Dawson 84.464% 1999-2015 2TM UDFA
15 Adam Vinatieri 84.114% 1996-2015 2TM UDFA
16 Shaun Suisham 84.064% 2005-2014 3TM UDFA
17 Josh Brown 83.696% 2003-2015 4TM 7th rd
18 Matt Stover 83.659% 1991-2009 3TM 12th rd
19 Ryan Longwell 83.180% 1997-2012 3TM IDN but looks like UDFA
20 Matt Prater 82.589% 2007-2015 3TM UDFA
21 Jay Feely 82.587% 2001-2014 6TM UDFA
22 John Carney 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM UDFA
23 Jason Hanson 82.363% 1992-2012 det 2nd RD
24 Jeff Reed 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM UDFA
25 Ryan Succop 82.162% 2009-2015 2TM Last pick of the draft
26 Nick Novak 82.143% 2005-2015 5TM UDFA
27 John Kasay 81.883% 1991-2011 3TM 4th rd
28 Jeff Wilkins 81.867% 1994-2007 3TM UDFA
29 Garrett Hartley 81.731% 2008-2014 2TM UDFA
30 Lawrence Tynes 81.545% 2004-2012 2TM
31 Rian Lindell 81.167% 2000-2013 3TM
32 Olindo Mare 81.093% 1997-2012 5TM
33 Mike Nugent 80.989% 2005-2015 4TM
34 David Akers 80.922% 1998-2013 4TM
35 Jason Elam 80.741% 1993-2009 2TM
36 Nick Folk 80.608% 2007-2015 2TM
37 Joe Nedney 80.251% 1996-2010 7TM
38 Doug Brien 80.233% 1994-2005 7TM
39 Sebastian Janikowski 80.208% 2000-2015 rai
40 Josh Scobee 80.066% 2004-2015 2TM

I'm bored and done looking up draft status of these top FG kickers of all time. Of the top 29 kickers only 2 were drafted before rd 4, which is what I stated in a post a long time ago.

Also note that the Raiders "outstanding choice" of Janikowski resulted in the 39th best FG completion % of all time. Such a great pick by them

 

[Darkside]

So sick of this argument. Nobody drafts a kicker early when they can get an elite player. It's not about all the XXX you've all talked about. A kicker is only trotted out to the field once every so often. A LB or DE or QB or CB is on the field all the time. Constantly. So you pay them. I'm not going to pay a guy top dollar when he's only out there something less than 5% of the time. I'd honestly pay a punter before a FG kicker.

 

[cardncubfan]

So sick of this argument. Nobody drafts a kicker early when they can get an elite player. It's not about all the ******** you've all talked about. A kicker is only trotted out to the field once every so often. A LB or DE or QB or CB is on the field all the freaking time. Constantly. So you pay them. I'm not going to pay a **** top dollar when he's only out there something less than 5% of the time. I'd honestly pay a punter before a FG kicker.

What happened to the language filter? This is the 2nd time that got through.

 

[Darkside]

What happened to the language filter? This is the 2nd time that got through.

Was wondering the same thing myself, it's more than twice, it's been happening for a few days, I thought they changed the filter to be honest.

 

[kerouac9]

No its not. Its like roulette. You might get 10 reds in a row. then a green. Then 10 more reds. And then 3 blacks.

Its not linear.

That .4 might mean Roberto never misses a regular season FG in his entire career.

LOLLLOLLLLOOOLLLLL! Great take here!

 

[wit3card]

So Chandler Catanzaro is in the top 10 of the FG % with 88.1% (would be even higher without that boched snap XD)

Aguero may possibly end up in the top 3 rounds of a 2016 redraft some day ... but never ever will be worth what they gave up for. For example over a season every 3.34% means 1 FG made more and since the % is not about how likely he will make the next one but about what he did you can only tell in retroprospective. Yes a 90% FG kicker is more likeley to make the next FG but only over a full season you will see probably a different outcome against a 86% guy and only twice against a 82% guy so ... even if aguero will be the Best Kicker in history, the next 20 guys will miss 2 FG more than him per season and that means probably 1 in a game that counts and 1 in one that doesn't but maybe you don't even get there in the first place without the good player drafted instead of the Kicker.

 

[GatorAZ]

Dude just clanked an XP and missed another FG.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Dude just clanked an XP and missed another FG.

Weather-related?

 

[GatorAZ]

Weather-related?

Head-related

 

[b8rtm8nn]

:bump:

 

[Cardiac]

Even if this guy wasn't sucking big time a team shouldn't invest a 2nd rd pick on a FG kicker. Or a 3rd or a 4th. And NEVER give up extra draft picks to trade up for one.

 

[Garthshort]

Dumb, unless you want a guy who can come through when the game is on the line. Ice.

 

[cardpa]

Here is the history of kickers including punters who have been drafted in the last 10 years by round. If more than one position was drafted in a particular round it's noted by (#). Of the 37 kickers or punters selected in the draft in the last 10 years, 20 are still active on teams. If they are active I placed their name next to the year they were drafted. The rest are either listed as former players or FAs. As you can see only 5 were drafted in the 3rd or 4th rounds and only 2 are still playing. With 20 still active, that means 44 (figuring 1 punter and 1 kicker per team for a total of 64) were undrafted players signed after the draft or have been in the league longer than 10 years.

I will note that Mike Nugent was taken in the 2nd round and Dustin Colquitt 3rd round 2005 are still active. 2004 only Andy Lee 6th round is active. Josh Brown , 7th round 2003 is still active. Sebastian Janikowski 1st round and Shane Lechler, 5th round 2000 are still playing. Looks like 2005 and 2000 were good years for kickers/punters.

2015 -5th - P Bradley Pinion
2014 - 6th - P Pat O'Donnell
2014 - 7th -K (2)
2013 - 5th - K Caleb Sturgis
2013 - 5th - P (2) Jeff Locke, Sam Martin
2013 - 6th - K Dustin Hopkins
2012 - 3rd - P Bryan Anger
2012 - 5th - K Randy Bullock
2012 - 6th - K (2) Greg Zuerlein, Blair Walsh
2012 - 6th - P Brad Nortman
2012 - 7th - K
2011 - 4th - K
2011 - 6th - P Matt Bosher
2010 - 5th - P Kevin Huber
2010 - 6th - P
2010 - 7th - P
2009 - 5th - P (2) Thomas Morstead
2009 - 5th - K
2009 - 7th - P Pat McAfee
2009 - 7th - K Ryan Succop
2008 - 6th - P
2008 - 6th - K
2008 - 7th - K
2007 - 4th - P (2)
2007 - 5th - K
2007 - 6th - K (2) Mason Crosby, Nick Folk
2007 - 7th - P
2006 - 4th - K Stephen Gostkowski
2006 - 6th - K
2006 - 6th - P Sam Koch
2006 - 7th - P

 

[kerouac9]

Ulp.

http://deadspin.com/roberto-aguayo-is-having-trouble-with-his-accuracy-agai-1795490627

So elite.

 

[Cardiac]

I can't stand the thought of a PK getting drafted before the 5th rd and then they have to be considered generational. Trading up in the 2nd rd for a PK is simply idiotic.

 

[Ronin]

Didn't look too hot yesterday.
Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL

Roberto Aguayo is pretty much guaranteeing that no kicker will be taken in the first few rounds for a long time.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

There are no words to describe just how dumb that decision was. Whoever made the decision to draft a kicker that high should be banished to North Korea.

 

[gmabel830]

Aaaaaaand they cut him!

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[Ronin]

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer

Wouldn't rule out an Aguayo rebound. Mike Nugent had a rough time as a 2nd-round pick with the Jets. Ended up being solid for Bengals after.

 

[Brak]

There are no words to describe just how dumb that decision was. Whoever made the decision to draft a kicker that high should be banished to North Korea.

None other than the GM, former Cards exec Jason Licht. Sounds like we should be very glad he's not in our front office any more.

I remember right after he was drafted, one of the local mouths was going off on the radio, pointing out that his college stats were nails inside 40 yards (duh), but outside of 40, he was actually sub-par. How the hell does a GM miss that little detail and blow a #2 on the guy? The average ASF blow-hard on a 3-day Mickey's Big Mouth binge would have known better.

https://www.todayspigskin.com/nfc/tampa-bay-buccaneers/aguayo-define-jason-licht-legacy/

 

[Ronin]

Michael Lombardi @mlombardiNFL

Give the Bucs credit, they admitted their mistake..Bucs have released PK Roberto Aguayo.

 

[Ronin]

Adam Caplan @caplannfl

Veteran K Nick Folk was brought in as competition against Aguayo and beat him out.

 

[Ronin]

ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo

Aguayo was taken 59th overall in the 2016 NFL Draft. He was the highest-picked kicker since Mike Nugent was 47th overall in 2005.