Let's talk about Andrew Thomas

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  1. Krangthebrain

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    They dont against college boys.
     
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    Nate Potter was awesome in college too.

    Softball responses.
     
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    If they want lineman #4, yeah sure.
     
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    Their first option is trying to get a team to jump Miami for Tua. They would still have their pick of tackles at 6. I’m not really sure what happened to Nate Solder but protecting rookie QB’s isn’t easy.
     
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    so explain your stance are you saying because one guy was a good college player and didn’t live up to expectations all other good college guys are going to be bust as well?

    because that’s just what you did.

    softball AF indeed
     
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    Possibly, but with the right OL coach correcting that.............? Sean Kugler may just be able to fix that for him lol.
     
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    Thomas is the best left tackle in this class and everyone is overthinking him
     
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    I tend to agree.

    Watching the video it bothered me that he turned hard inside and followed when the player in front of him slanted. That made him late getting to the rusher that was swinging wide outside around the slanting lineman.

    I've watched lineman that are slow to react to those moves and it never ends well. Some players have a feel for it and some don't. His great athletic talent and strength won't help if you get sucked inside when you should be aware of your backside.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    TheCardFan Things have changed.

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    IIRC - Thomas corrected it (that was the only time they beat him on that move that game)

    If you don't like that aspect...you won't like Wirfs at all (see video below where Penn St exploited that over and over again).

     
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    Yea...its not all about sacks...both good or bad. Other people play into that.

    Im talking about pressures, hits, penalties, etc.

    You can like or dislike PFF grades all you want, but you can't deny that DJ has never been considered even "average" using analytics. Then you factor in he played about 50% of the games in his rookie contacts.

    Look, this debate has already been had, and the Cards resigned him. I'm fine with that, I'm just saying its silly to think LT is as good as its going to get and Murray is the weak link. DJ and Murray are equivalent players...and Gilbert is better than both when healthy.
     
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    Taking a guy like Thomas would set the edges of our o-line for years to come, barring injuries. It would also be great depth if DJ was to go down.

    Wirfs would do the same but he would add depth at Guard rather than tackle.

    Becton May be the best of the bunch and I don’t fear he’d bust because he could move inside in a heartbeat. However, that’s a high pick to end up with a guard unless he becomes an all-pro.

    Wills seems to fit more like a Thomas. He can start at RT and move to LT in an emergency.

    Don’t have a clue if my opinion is right, but it’s the conclusion I come to after reading all of your opinions.
     
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    If he survives COVID-19 - I still say, he starts ahead of the barely toilet trained!
     
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    We did the "guard" in the first round thing in the past and it didn't turn out well.

    If part of the evaluation of these guys includes, "can move inside" (a red flag) - let's draft guys that have actual experience in the interior.

    There are more than a few likely available in the 3rd and 4th rds.
     
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    You don't redshirt top 10 linemen. Or 1st round linemen come to think of it. The last 1st rounder I can find that sat out a year was....DJ Humphries.
     
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    You realise that All Pro is like the top 3% in the league right? You worded this as if it's All Pro then everyone else is equal.

    Tyron Smith wasn't All Pro this year.

    What you need is "a unit of 5 who communicate effectively and do their jobs. Who also have talent and don't spend half their careers on IR".

    If you just needed any old bunch of 5 on the O line that knew what each other were doing then teams wouldn't be paying tackles $18m a year.

    The "do your jobs" part of your very basic explanation requires you to have sufficient talent to stop the best pass rushers. Which, you know, requires drafting good players. Not some guy thats been on 6 teams in 4 years and another thats played 12 games in 3 years.
     
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