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This a must listen podcast. If you want to know anything at all about why all this happened, I highly recommend you listen to it. It may seem long but I guarantee you won't find it boring once you start listening to it.
Here's a link to it, you don't have to download it, you can listen to it by clicking the play icon which is after the download link:
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...t-2-18-15-goran-dragic-the-trade-deadline-and
Here are some of the observations I made throughout it that I'll summarize to my discretion but again, I still think you would be a fool to just take my word and not listen to it yourself:
- This isn't something that just happened over night. Coro says that Dragic had been bothered about having to play the wing position and not getting the ball like he used to. They said that the biggest difference and hardest adjustment for Goran has been that he’s forced to get the ball in catch and shoot situations as opposed to how him and Bledsoe both had it last year.
- Goran also hated how he had to guard other wing players on defense because they typically always had size advantage on him.
- Coro says Dragic is one of the nicest athletes he's ever known in his life and that the fact that he’s coming out and saying this means that it really must have bothered him that much.
- Coro says that he asked Dragic privately if trading IT would mean he would come back and Coro said that Dragic danced around the question because Coro said if Goran actually answered the question, then he would probably say that yes he’s fine with him and Bledsoe but Goran isn’t the type to throw a teammate under the bus so he wouldn’t admit it.
- Coro says that reason Dragic would still want out even if IT is traded is because he doesn’t trust the FO to screw him over again and sign or trade for another PG again even after trading IT. And both Dave King and Amin agreed with this as well.
- He also says that IT wants to start and that he’s been wanting to start since the beginning. And that IT still wants to start and that he is actually not happy with his role. IT was only happy with coming off the bench if they were winning and a sure lock playoff team and right now Suns have lost 7 of past 10 games so he isn’t happy.
- He says Dragic is not only unhappy one. Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee, Marcus Morris, PJ Tucker
- Coro also blased the Suns drafting Tyler Ennis. Basically echoed my feelings when they made the deal at draft time.
- Even if Dragic gets traded, they think that Goodwin, Ennis, Warren etc will likely not be getting much additional playing time if at all.
- They think Suns will start Gerald Green when Goran gets traded.
- Amin says people (including the Suns) are underestimating the role that Frye played in terms of playing on the court AND that he had a strong voice in the locker room in keeping everyone together.
- Amin says he thinks IT was told that he would be a starter in PHX and that IT did not like how they gave Bledsoe a fat contract after signing him.
- Amin also says that it was obvious that Goran has been unhappy throughout the entire season.
- Dave King says that Hornacek has been super dismissive whenever asked about Goran’s role on the team throughout all season long.
- Both Amin, Coro and all others all agreed that despite stats showing whatever it does, Dragic was not been used same as last season and that he was taking different shots, different assists, different rebounds and different way in terms of scoring than last season w/o Bledsoe and with Bledsoe.
- Both Amin and Coro said that they think the FO knew that Dragic was unhappy but they thought that since Goran is such a good boy who wouldn’t complain or anything,that he would go along with it and not demand a trade or anything like that. This part was what astonished me the most, it seemed like they were taking advantage of Dragic’s personality.
- Amin says Dragic demanding trade does look good for the Suns in the public eye because other free agents and agents will look and say “Hm if a guy like Goran who bleeds the purple and orange and is such a quiet, nice guy came out and said all this about the Suns, then do I really want to sign with Suns?”.
- Amin says he thinks Dragic is worth top $$ now. He says when other teams look at him they’ll say “Here’s a guy who is capable of being maybe top 5 PG in the NBA and has excellent size and length so that he’s versatile enough to move over to SG in spot minutes if needed. He also says that that cap room going up and the inflation affecting that makes Dragic worth it more. Also says that Dragic was a backup for much of his career so he doesn’t have much wear and tear on him so less chance of him breaking down later in the contract.
- Amin also says that if the Suns never signed IT, Goran wouldn’t have lost trust in the FO and that this problem would have never happened. He goes into better detail, you should really listen (around the 48 min mark).
- Amin again talks about how this is a black hole for Suns in terms of attracting other players. He also says money talks but if a player were to choose between Suns and another team that’s offering max contracts, then player choose another team because of it.
- Also says Suns deserve most of the blame and that he doesn’t blame Dragic for being unhappy. Amin also says that only blame he would place on Goran is questioning why he waited til 2 days before trade deadline to make this demand where as if he said it earlier then Suns may have been able to accommodate him better.
- Amin also has a message for the fans: “I just want to tell the fans that I hope they realize this was never going to be easy ever since they added the 3rd point guard. This was always going to be a difficult situation regardless of how many games they won in a row at one point or the other.”
- Dave King says that he thinks Hornacek didn't realize that nobody (not just Dragic) bought into his 3 pg system and that he didn't force anything to change. He says if he knew Goran was gonna lash out like this, he probably would have made a conscious effort to give Goran the ball more especially since their on a losing streak so to try something different at least.
This is a great listen; you’d be doing yourself a huge disservice if you just read my notes and didn't listen to the podcast itself. There’s so much more than I mentioned on here. I don’t even typically like listening to podcasts because I find them boring and long but this one is absolutely worth it.
Its long but its absolutely worth it if you want to know how this entire fiasco came to be including info from people who are extremely close to the team. Amin is an ex Suns FO employee and if you think anyone here knows more about the Suns than Paul Coro, then your kidding yourselves.
Here's a link to it, you don't have to download it, you can listen to it by clicking the play icon which is after the download link:
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...t-2-18-15-goran-dragic-the-trade-deadline-and
Here are some of the observations I made throughout it that I'll summarize to my discretion but again, I still think you would be a fool to just take my word and not listen to it yourself:
- This isn't something that just happened over night. Coro says that Dragic had been bothered about having to play the wing position and not getting the ball like he used to. They said that the biggest difference and hardest adjustment for Goran has been that he’s forced to get the ball in catch and shoot situations as opposed to how him and Bledsoe both had it last year.
- Goran also hated how he had to guard other wing players on defense because they typically always had size advantage on him.
- Coro says Dragic is one of the nicest athletes he's ever known in his life and that the fact that he’s coming out and saying this means that it really must have bothered him that much.
- Coro says that he asked Dragic privately if trading IT would mean he would come back and Coro said that Dragic danced around the question because Coro said if Goran actually answered the question, then he would probably say that yes he’s fine with him and Bledsoe but Goran isn’t the type to throw a teammate under the bus so he wouldn’t admit it.
- Coro says that reason Dragic would still want out even if IT is traded is because he doesn’t trust the FO to screw him over again and sign or trade for another PG again even after trading IT. And both Dave King and Amin agreed with this as well.
- He also says that IT wants to start and that he’s been wanting to start since the beginning. And that IT still wants to start and that he is actually not happy with his role. IT was only happy with coming off the bench if they were winning and a sure lock playoff team and right now Suns have lost 7 of past 10 games so he isn’t happy.
- He says Dragic is not only unhappy one. Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee, Marcus Morris, PJ Tucker
- Coro also blased the Suns drafting Tyler Ennis. Basically echoed my feelings when they made the deal at draft time.
- Even if Dragic gets traded, they think that Goodwin, Ennis, Warren etc will likely not be getting much additional playing time if at all.
- They think Suns will start Gerald Green when Goran gets traded.
- Amin says people (including the Suns) are underestimating the role that Frye played in terms of playing on the court AND that he had a strong voice in the locker room in keeping everyone together.
- Amin says he thinks IT was told that he would be a starter in PHX and that IT did not like how they gave Bledsoe a fat contract after signing him.
- Amin also says that it was obvious that Goran has been unhappy throughout the entire season.
- Dave King says that Hornacek has been super dismissive whenever asked about Goran’s role on the team throughout all season long.
- Both Amin, Coro and all others all agreed that despite stats showing whatever it does, Dragic was not been used same as last season and that he was taking different shots, different assists, different rebounds and different way in terms of scoring than last season w/o Bledsoe and with Bledsoe.
- Both Amin and Coro said that they think the FO knew that Dragic was unhappy but they thought that since Goran is such a good boy who wouldn’t complain or anything,that he would go along with it and not demand a trade or anything like that. This part was what astonished me the most, it seemed like they were taking advantage of Dragic’s personality.
- Amin says Dragic demanding trade does look good for the Suns in the public eye because other free agents and agents will look and say “Hm if a guy like Goran who bleeds the purple and orange and is such a quiet, nice guy came out and said all this about the Suns, then do I really want to sign with Suns?”.
- Amin says he thinks Dragic is worth top $$ now. He says when other teams look at him they’ll say “Here’s a guy who is capable of being maybe top 5 PG in the NBA and has excellent size and length so that he’s versatile enough to move over to SG in spot minutes if needed. He also says that that cap room going up and the inflation affecting that makes Dragic worth it more. Also says that Dragic was a backup for much of his career so he doesn’t have much wear and tear on him so less chance of him breaking down later in the contract.
- Amin also says that if the Suns never signed IT, Goran wouldn’t have lost trust in the FO and that this problem would have never happened. He goes into better detail, you should really listen (around the 48 min mark).
- Amin again talks about how this is a black hole for Suns in terms of attracting other players. He also says money talks but if a player were to choose between Suns and another team that’s offering max contracts, then player choose another team because of it.
- Also says Suns deserve most of the blame and that he doesn’t blame Dragic for being unhappy. Amin also says that only blame he would place on Goran is questioning why he waited til 2 days before trade deadline to make this demand where as if he said it earlier then Suns may have been able to accommodate him better.
- Amin also has a message for the fans: “I just want to tell the fans that I hope they realize this was never going to be easy ever since they added the 3rd point guard. This was always going to be a difficult situation regardless of how many games they won in a row at one point or the other.”
- Dave King says that he thinks Hornacek didn't realize that nobody (not just Dragic) bought into his 3 pg system and that he didn't force anything to change. He says if he knew Goran was gonna lash out like this, he probably would have made a conscious effort to give Goran the ball more especially since their on a losing streak so to try something different at least.
This is a great listen; you’d be doing yourself a huge disservice if you just read my notes and didn't listen to the podcast itself. There’s so much more than I mentioned on here. I don’t even typically like listening to podcasts because I find them boring and long but this one is absolutely worth it.
Its long but its absolutely worth it if you want to know how this entire fiasco came to be including info from people who are extremely close to the team. Amin is an ex Suns FO employee and if you think anyone here knows more about the Suns than Paul Coro, then your kidding yourselves.