Devil's advocate perspective...how many GM/HC combos would be competitive in their first stints while being handcuffed by a meh QB and terrible owner? While I didn't love either when we hired them and did not like their initial plan, I completely understand the willingness to give the two more time due to the surrounding circumstances and malaise this franchise is. It doesn't mean they will work out, but let's not undersell the mess this franchise historically is.
I am very torn.
Gannon could have done what Ben Johnson did & pass on a franchise that is historical awful with an awful owner. Same goes for Monti.
Evidence? It's all perception good brother.
Plenty of head coaches have taken jobs where they didn't necessarily believe in the QB. Reports are that Ben Johnson isn't all rainbows and gummy bears over Caleb, but he's going to have to make it work for the immediate future. 
It doesn’t PROVE anything, but it certainly contradicts some cockamamie theory that Gannon and Monti never liked Kyler and were just waiting for him to… be mid? Fail and potentially take their careers down with him?Evidence? It's all perception good brother.
You think Gannon's a standup guy. I think he's a corny clown.
And him going to an event in K1's honor proves absolutely nothing.
Thats my point.
To some here, continuity is more important than, you know, being good at the job.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he wanted him to fail or even be mid or as you put it, and I said ZERO about Monti. I said he was never Gannon's guy. I believed it then and I believe it now. Obviously, they felt they could maximize his abilities since he was already enmeshed as the man. JG would be a fool not to recognize his talents, but that doesn't mean he WANTED him. And getting on a plane to support the franchise qb isn't going the extra mile IMO. It's what an org should do. It would have been a pretty bad look had no one from the Cards been there to support him. If Gannon and Kyler are going to die on the same hill then so be it. We will all be the worse for it in the end. Oh, and Payton's a clown as well, so I'm not at all concerned with what happened with him and Russ.
I don’t think there’s evidence for this. Every FO has hits and misses when it comes to college and pro scouting.
@phillycard how are we supposed to parse this?
That clown is 6-2 and sitting atop the AFC West. Great take.
Eh the Bears are basically historically awful now too. They really haven't been a really good team for a long time.
Compare the Bears’ overall record to our overall record.
K, come on man. Now you're getting into semantics. If you're trying to catch me in some "gotcha" moment. It's not gonna happen. Seeing him gone fits the same narrative I said initially. He's not Gannon's man. You can slice it however you want. That's your boy you're gonna cape for him regardless. It is what it is.
So??? What does that have to do with him being a clown? I give a ratz rear about him or the Broncos.
The counter is that just because they knew what they were getting into doesn't make it any easier to overcome.
Yes that’s right I cape for Kyler amazing point well-argued
Only so many times a heading coaching job opens for you
Keims people / Rod Graves people have been here too long. There is definetly evidence that Keim's people were trash.
The best 3-4 players on the cards still were all picked by Keim and his people
That doesn't mean they were good at their job it just means we are still terrible at picking talent.
