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What's the reason to hate Jaren Jackson Jr? Somebody fill me in.

Everyone I know likes Jaren Jackson Jr.

Just don't want to get unrealistic hopes and see them squashed, not that there was a chance.
 

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I suspect that Memphis with this Bane deal may become a 3rd team in KD trade, to take on either Green from Rockets or Vassel from Spurs.
 

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Just started watching Simmons new pod, and he thinks the bane deal means JJJ will be moved next. Of course he thinks that might mean there will be a bidding war from him, and thinks Houston and San Antonio might want him, also mentioned Utah. If Memphis wants picks probably going to be hard to get him in our 3 way do to all the KD salary that has to match.
 

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Just started watching Simmons new pod, and he thinks the bane deal means JJJ will be moved next. Of course he thinks that might mean there will be a bidding war from him, and thinks Houston and San Antonio might want him, also mentioned Utah. If Memphis wants picks probably going to be hard to get him in our 3 way do to all the KD salary that has to match.
JJJ probably becomes the big get over Durant if he comes on the market. That would suck.
 

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No way they move JJJ in hope with picks to get better stars down the road. They'd build around JJJ and Mo, with a great youth foundation already in place, and be opportunistic on potential star market.
 

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Been calling for this all year. Then use the massive cap space to trade for bad contracts with draft pick sweeteners. Do what OKC did and hope you can identify talent.

Being bad is perfectly fine if you have a plan. I really don’t understand how fans don’t have vision

In the NBA you either want to be at the very top or at the bottom the worst place you can be is in the middle.
 

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Being bad is perfectly fine if you have a plan. I really don’t understand how fans don’t have vision

In the NBA you either want to be at the very top or at the bottom the worst place you can be is in the middle.

Teams from the middle have had made it to the finals since the Warriors super team collapsed.

Indiana is a 5 seed. New York was a 4 seed. Look out West and Minnesota was a 6th seed. All had legit shots at a title this year. OKC is the only "favorite" and they haven't been as dominant as their record would indicate vs a 5 seed from the East as we're 2-2 and either team could take it.

Being bad isn't a plan or having vision. It's hoping for luck to fall our way, which can't really be planned for. See where we landed in the lottery when we missed a decade of the playoffs, often as the worst team in the league. There are multiple ways to climb back to the top but treading water in the lottery is not where you want to be, see Charlotte for a prime example. Who wants to be a Hornet? The fans in North Carolina care more about the college teams in the area than their pro team. Building a consistent winner is the only way to change that. See the Suns for the first 35-40 years of their NBA run.
 

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Being bad is perfectly fine if you have a plan. I really don’t understand how fans don’t have vision

In the NBA you either want to be at the very top or at the bottom the worst place you can be is in the middle.

Only true if you control your draft picks... which we don't... for 7 years.
 

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I still can't comprehend that we tossed away our 2031 pick for jack squat at the trade deadline. We might win 10 games that year.
 

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It's been funny seeing Durant's rumored most likely landing spot go from Houston to San Antonio to Minnesota to Miami in just a few days
 
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I still can't comprehend that we tossed away our 2031 pick for jack squat at the trade deadline. We might win 10 games that year.

I thought another trade was coming with one of the picks three first round picks the Suns received for their 2031 first round pick.

Then the Suns used a different first round pick, 2026 I believe, to trade Nurkic and then wrapped up shop.
 

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I still can't comprehend that we tossed away our 2031 pick for jack squat at the trade deadline. We might win 10 games that year.
Just an absolutely mind-bogglingly terrible trade… in the wake of truly terrible trades before it.
 

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Teams from the middle have had made it to the finals since the Warriors super team collapsed.

Indiana is a 5 seed. New York was a 4 seed. Look out West and Minnesota was a 6th seed. All had legit shots at a title this year. OKC is the only "favorite" and they haven't been as dominant as their record would indicate vs a 5 seed from the East as we're 2-2 and either team could take it.

Being bad isn't a plan or having vision. It's hoping for luck to fall our way, which can't really be planned for. See where we landed in the lottery when we missed a decade of the playoffs, often as the worst team in the league. There are multiple ways to climb back to the top but treading water in the lottery is not where you want to be, see Charlotte for a prime example. Who wants to be a Hornet? The fans in North Carolina care more about the college teams in the area than their pro team. Building a consistent winner is the only way to change that. See the Suns for the first 35-40 years of their NBA run.

You literally just made my point. Thank you.

North Carolina cares more about college ball than NBA because the tradition goes back way before they even had a pro team. That doesn’t just leave. If the NFL put a team In Alabama guess what? Roll Tide would still be king. That’s how it works. Especially if the franchise was a complete wreck like the Hornets WITH NO PLAN.

All those teams clearly had a plan. You think what OKC did and Charlotte are the same? Exactly.

Uh duh look at the Suns when we were bad lol oh You think Robert Sarver had a plan? Exactly the fact you can’t understand the concept lets me know what I need to know about you.
 

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No way they move JJJ in hope with picks to get better stars down the road. They'd build around JJJ and Mo, with a great youth foundation already in place, and be opportunistic on potential star market.
It makes sense to me. They know their core isn’t good enough to compete with San Antonio or OKC, and they don’t want to be in the tax. They are following the presti model, and the bane deal is a good start.
 

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That’s why we need draft picks

Whose picks? You aren't elaborating. Saying "draft picks" isn't a plan. There are multiple ways to build a team and you offer "draft picks" and think that is a selling point. We have essentially no worthwhile pick for the next 7 years and can't control where we pick at all. Yes, trading for picks would help but then what? Hope Booker sucks where we traded him so we get a good pick? That's ridiculous and asking to become a joke.


To expand on the Suns fandom some, the fan base is older because the younger generation had nothing to cheer for during the later Sarver years. Growing and maintaining a fan base isn't done by toiling in the lottery while Brooklyn, Houston, Washington, Utah, and Memphis control our own picks and will build better teams for us to complete with. We're so far behind at the "get picks to be better" stage that they will flourish from our ineptitude. It makes virtually no sense to hand them top lottery picks while we collect late 1st rounders who bail at the first opportunity because our team has become a bad joke.
 

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Teams from the middle have had made it to the finals since the Warriors super team collapsed.

Indiana is a 5 seed. New York was a 4 seed. Look out West and Minnesota was a 6th seed. All had legit shots at a title this year. OKC is the only "favorite" and they haven't been as dominant as their record would indicate vs a 5 seed from the East as we're 2-2 and either team could take it.

Being bad isn't a plan or having vision. It's hoping for luck to fall our way, which can't really be planned for. See where we landed in the lottery when we missed a decade of the playoffs, often as the worst team in the league. There are multiple ways to climb back to the top but treading water in the lottery is not where you want to be, see Charlotte for a prime example. Who wants to be a Hornet? The fans in North Carolina care more about the college teams in the area than their pro team. Building a consistent winner is the only way to change that. See the Suns for the first 35-40 years of their NBA run.
What do Indy and Minnesota have in common, they are made up of young ascending players.

New York didn’t really overachieve, Boston lost porzingas and later Tatum.

There is a big difference between being the hornets or Washington vs any other team. Those teams cannot get fa’s. But even so those teams have done a horrendous job of drafting or they would have turned things around by now, although their lottery luck has been terrible.
 
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