Totally_Red
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No, but he shares credit with JG for the original signing
Should we trade Josh Sweat?
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Sweat is a 29 year old speed rusher that has played about 60% of available snaps in his career.
Sweat isn't a foundation of anything, he's a Edge #2 on a playoff quality team. He's Alex Highsmith but with 15% less snaps.
We have no QB. By the time we have a QB worth anything Sweat will be a 31 years old speed rusher in decline.
Cash in while you can and use that to get the QB we need.
And that's not even factoring in him obviously being unhappy that we sacked the reason he came here and the potential decline that will come with having a guy not giving 100%.
Stout
A handful of fairy tales from the story bag...
I know you want to tank, but let's not be so obvious about it, eh?
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I understand that you find this as a valid argument, but it doesn't land for me. They don't need the money, they aren't spending it. They don't need to get young pass rushers reps, they don't really have any. They don't need the picks, they haven't done great with the ones they have had.
IMO, if they are going to draft a young QB, better to have a pass rusher on the decline who is at least a better than league average to help support that QB than a 3rd round pick that likely will not amount to anything.
No! Just No!
He came to AZ for the contract.
schutd
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At some point you have to start establishing the credibility of the organization if you want to be able to do anything, be taken seriously by potential free agenst, to not be told by player representation to "not draft my guy" You have to win now. we ESPECIALLY have to win now. When you suck as perpetually as we do, you dont get to play the long game. You have to play for now. Jettisoning talent does not accomplish anything for us.
I’ll go against the grain a little here and agree with you Brit if the plan is to draft a QB next year.
But how can that be Monti’s long term plan?
He’ll be the one getting sacked if we lose 12 or 13 games again.
They do need the picks.
The Browns and Jets both have multiple 1st round picks. We have no QB. We need all the capital we can get to make sure we get out of quarterback purgatory. Nothing else concerns me.
Certainly not hanging on to a 29 year old disgruntled speed rusher that averages 8 sacks a year and plays 60% of the snaps and didn't do anything of note on the 29th ranked defense. I really couldn't care less if he stayed or went. But given our QB situation I'd rather get the capital.
The team is set up to lose 10+ games. Everyone knows it including the FO.
Josh Sweat is going to make zero difference to how much we win this year.
Garthshort
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Makes ZERO sense.
As the only proven pass rusher on the team how can you say this? If the Cardinals win any games this year it will most likely be due to Sweat harassing the opposing QB.
That’s what I’m saying. There’s no tomorrow for MO.
Considering it must have been divine intervention that saved Monti’s job this past season, his only hope of staying employed currently is for this sorry lot to fight and kick and scratch its way to seven wins this season.
A task that will be notably more difficult without the services of Sweat.
I’m agreeing with you, I’m just saying there’s a conflict of interest right now between Monti and what’s best for the Cardinals.
As if this dumpster fire of an organization didn’t need need another problem, it has a lame duck GM who’s surely desperate to save his job, and is flailing around like a mad man the future be damned.
I’m on your side of the argument, but he does have a point even if sweat helps us win two or three games out of the four or five we might win at most does it really matter in the end? All that does is put us in a range outside of top quarterback selection.
There will be plenty of QBs available in next years draft. Worst case the Cardinals will have to trade up to get their guy. That doesn't mean that the Cardinals need to get rid of their best pass rusher. Sweat still has 3 years on his contract at a very cap friendly rate for a proven pass rusher. He will be in his prime that entire time. There is zero reason to move off of him at this point.
kerouac9
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No team has ever lost its way to consistent success. Losing 13 games is cultural poison—part of the reason many here supported Monti’s clear-cutting the roster his first time through.
Now we have another group of players who have zero idea what it takes to become a winning team.
Sweat is literally the only guy.
kerouac9
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Also there’s no chance we get enough draft capital to outbid the Jets anyway
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I don't view a 3rd round pick as a critical sticking point to get out of QB purgatory. They didn't need to trade one to get Kyler Murray. They only needed one to move up from 15 to 10 to get Josh Rosen. You can make an argument that saddling a rookie with a bad roster is one of the reasons the Cardinals have been in QB purgatory. This also plays into the fallacy that you have to be the worst team in a draft to find a QB. Several good NFL QBs were not the first QB drafted in their draft or were not drafted 1 overall.
Even with other QB needy teams having multiple picks, how many teams do you think will be worst than the Cardinals? And if this QB class is so good, why would it be an issue if he Cardinals somehow took the 2nd or 3rd QB in the draft? Ultimately, until this team, can show it is able to easily replace above average players with other above average players, they need to hold onto the few they actually have.
Well, if we finish #1, we won't have to
And there is a very legitimate chance we finish with the worst record in the league this year (even with Sweat).
If people bet on this I would guess we’re the odds on favorite.
It would have to be at least a 2025 pick. If it’s a top team (likely), I’d need a first which seems very unlikely.
I’d think we would get a 3rd round pick for sweat at best.imo
