Possible Trade

[Garthshort]

It seems that the 49ers will trade Tai Streets. The Jets offered a #3 but SF wanted a higher pick. Streets looks like he could be a very good WR. I believe that the Cards will pick a WR in the 2nd Rd but Streets (for a 2nd Rd) would be a better option. Would anyone else make that trade? Of course as a restricted FA he'd have to agree to a new contract before a trade could be made.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Garthshort
It seems that the 49ers will trade Tai Streets. The Jets offered a #3 but SF wanted a higher pick. Streets looks like he could be a very good WR. I believe that the Cards will pick a WR in the 2nd Rd but Streets (for a 2nd Rd) would be a better option. Would anyone else make that trade? Of course as a restricted FA he'd have to agree to a new contract before a trade could be made.

Not necessarily a good trade. Streets has a history of injuries that is frightening!

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Garthshort
It seems that the 49ers will trade Tai Streets. The Jets offered a #3 but SF wanted a higher pick. Streets looks like he could be a very good WR. I believe that the Cards will pick a WR in the 2nd Rd but Streets (for a 2nd Rd) would be a better option. Would anyone else make that trade? Of course as a restricted FA he'd have to agree to a new contract before a trade could be made.

And a seems to me that all "big three" SF wide recievers have a bit of an attitude problem. Or is it just that Terrell has enough attitude for the other guys to be tainted as well?

 

[Goldfield]

isnt it kinda funny that some of the the best WR's in the league have that kinda attitude...?

Moss

Owens

Boston



Maybe, just maybe it takes some attitude to be the best... The game is played from emotion, someone "jacked up" with a dominating attitude will have the edge "Most of the time".

 

[wierwolf]

Streets

I think that would be a good trade. Streets for a #2. He is explosive. Injuries can happen to anyone.

 

[Skkorpion]

Originally posted by BEERZ
isnt it kinda funny that some of the the best WR's in the league have that kinda attitude...?

Moss

Owens

Boston



Maybe, just maybe it takes some attitude to be the best... The game is played from emotion, someone "jacked up" with a dominating attitude will have the edge "Most of the time".

And, most of the best DON"T have a bad attitude at all:


AFC | NFC | NFL
2002 | 2001 | 2000




Receiving Leaders
RNK NAME REC YDS AVG YPG LNG TD FUM LST
1 M. Harrison, IND 143 1722 12.0 107.6 69 11 0 0
2 Randy Moss, MIN 106 1347 12.7 84.2 60 7 1 1
3 Amani Toomer, NYG 82 1343 16.4 83.9 82 8 0 0
4 Hines Ward, PIT 112 1329 11.9 83.1 72 12 1 1
5 P. Burress, PIT 78 1325 17.0 82.8 62 7 2 1
6 Joe Horn, NO 88 1312 14.9 82.0 63 7 1 0
7 Torry Holt, STL 91 1302 14.3 81.4 58 4 1 1
8 Terrell Owens, SF 100 1300 13.0 92.9 76 13 0 0
9 Eric Moulds, BUF 100 1287 12.9 80.4 70 10 1 0
10 L. Coles, NYJ 89 1264 14.2 79.0 43 5 1 0
11 P. Price, ATL 94 1252 13.3 78.3 73 9 2 1
12 K. Robinson, SEA 78 1240 15.9 77.5 83 5 2 0
13 Jerry Rice, OAK 92 1211 13.2 75.7 75 7 1 1
14 Marty Booker, CHI 97 1183 12.2 73.9 54 6 0 0
15 Chad Johnson, CIN 69 1166 16.9 72.9 72 5 0 0
16 K. Johnson, TB 76 1088 14.3 68.0 76 5 0 0
17 Isaac Bruce, STL 79 1075 13.6 67.2 34 7 2 2
18 Donald Driver, GB 70 1064 15.2 66.5 85 9 1 1
19 Jimmy Smith, JAC 80 1027 12.8 64.2 47 7 0 0
Rod Smith, DEN 89 1027 11.5 64.2 46 5 1 1
21 Derrick Mason, TEN 79 1012 12.8 72.3 40 5 1 1
22 Rod Gardner, WAS 71 1006 14.2 62.9 43 8 1 0
23 Quincy Morgan, CLE 56 964 17.2 60.3 78 7 2 2
24 C. Garner, OAK 91 941 10.3 58.8 69 4 0 0
25 Tim Brown, OAK 81 930 11.5 58.1 45 2 0 0
26 Joey Galloway, DAL 61 908 14.9 56.8 80 6 1 1
27 E. Kennison, KC 53 906 17.1 56.6 64 2 0 0
28 Ed McCaffrey, DEN 69 903 13.1 56.4 69 2 0 0
29 J. Shockey, NYG 74 894 12.1 59.6 30 2 3 2
30 Troy Brown, NE 97 890 9.2 63.6 38 3 2 1
31 D. Jackson, SEA 62 877 14.1 67.5 48 4 2 2
32 Steve Smith, CAR 54 872 16.1 58.1 69 3 1 0
33 Travis Taylor, BAL 61 869 14.2 54.3 64 6 0 0
34 Curtis Conway, NYJ 57 852 14.9 65.5 52 5 2 2
35 B. Finneran, ATL 56 838 15.0 52.4 47 6 1 1
36 Todd Heap, BAL 68 836 12.3 52.3 43 6 0 0
37 David Patten, NE 61 824 13.5 51.5 39 5 0 0
38 M. Muhammad, CAR 63 823 13.1 58.8 42 3 0 0
39 Terry Glenn, DAL 56 817 14.6 54.5 49 2 1 1
40 Todd Pinkston, PHI 60 798 13.3 53.2 42 7 1 0
41 D. Thompson, MIA 53 773 14.6 48.3 47 4 2 2

The three WRs you mentioned ranked 2, 8, and also-ran in the NFL receiving stats so it looks like your point about "attitude" isn't supported by fact.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
And, most of the best DON"T have a bad attitude at all:


AFC | NFC | NFL
2002 | 2001 | 2000




Receiving Leaders
RNK NAME REC YDS AVG YPG LNG TD FUM LST
1 M. Harrison, IND 143 1722 12.0 107.6 69 11 0 0
2 Randy Moss, MIN 106 1347 12.7 84.2 60 7 1 1
3 Amani Toomer, NYG 82 1343 16.4 83.9 82 8 0 0
4 Hines Ward, PIT 112 1329 11.9 83.1 72 12 1 1
5 P. Burress, PIT 78 1325 17.0 82.8 62 7 2 1
6 Joe Horn, NO 88 1312 14.9 82.0 63 7 1 0
7 Torry Holt, STL 91 1302 14.3 81.4 58 4 1 1
8 Terrell Owens, SF 100 1300 13.0 92.9 76 13 0 0
9 Eric Moulds, BUF 100 1287 12.9 80.4 70 10 1 0
10 L. Coles, NYJ 89 1264 14.2 79.0 43 5 1 0
11 P. Price, ATL 94 1252 13.3 78.3 73 9 2 1
12 K. Robinson, SEA 78 1240 15.9 77.5 83 5 2 0
13 Jerry Rice, OAK 92 1211 13.2 75.7 75 7 1 1
14 Marty Booker, CHI 97 1183 12.2 73.9 54 6 0 0
15 Chad Johnson, CIN 69 1166 16.9 72.9 72 5 0 0
16 K. Johnson, TB 76 1088 14.3 68.0 76 5 0 0
17 Isaac Bruce, STL 79 1075 13.6 67.2 34 7 2 2
18 Donald Driver, GB 70 1064 15.2 66.5 85 9 1 1
19 Jimmy Smith, JAC 80 1027 12.8 64.2 47 7 0 0
Rod Smith, DEN 89 1027 11.5 64.2 46 5 1 1
21 Derrick Mason, TEN 79 1012 12.8 72.3 40 5 1 1
22 Rod Gardner, WAS 71 1006 14.2 62.9 43 8 1 0
23 Quincy Morgan, CLE 56 964 17.2 60.3 78 7 2 2
24 C. Garner, OAK 91 941 10.3 58.8 69 4 0 0
25 Tim Brown, OAK 81 930 11.5 58.1 45 2 0 0
26 Joey Galloway, DAL 61 908 14.9 56.8 80 6 1 1
27 E. Kennison, KC 53 906 17.1 56.6 64 2 0 0
28 Ed McCaffrey, DEN 69 903 13.1 56.4 69 2 0 0
29 J. Shockey, NYG 74 894 12.1 59.6 30 2 3 2
30 Troy Brown, NE 97 890 9.2 63.6 38 3 2 1
31 D. Jackson, SEA 62 877 14.1 67.5 48 4 2 2
32 Steve Smith, CAR 54 872 16.1 58.1 69 3 1 0
33 Travis Taylor, BAL 61 869 14.2 54.3 64 6 0 0
34 Curtis Conway, NYJ 57 852 14.9 65.5 52 5 2 2
35 B. Finneran, ATL 56 838 15.0 52.4 47 6 1 1
36 Todd Heap, BAL 68 836 12.3 52.3 43 6 0 0
37 David Patten, NE 61 824 13.5 51.5 39 5 0 0
38 M. Muhammad, CAR 63 823 13.1 58.8 42 3 0 0
39 Terry Glenn, DAL 56 817 14.6 54.5 49 2 1 1
40 Todd Pinkston, PHI 60 798 13.3 53.2 42 7 1 0
41 D. Thompson, MIA 53 773 14.6 48.3 47 4 2 2

The three WRs you mentioned ranked 2, 8, and also-ran in the NFL receiving stats so it looks like your point about "attitude" isn't supported by fact.

What he said.

 

[Goldfield]

I was disapointed that we had a guy so talented at WR but his attitude was gettin in his way....

#2 #8 and if Boston wasnt hurt you know as well as I do that he would of been in that top ten easy...

3 guys in the top ten of the NFL isnt considered good?


I put MOST of the time because of course there are many great players that have better attitudes.

#8 or #100 I would much rather have Owens than ANY other WR in the league.

I would much rather have Ray Lewis than ANY other LB in the league.

Give me any Olinemen with nasty attitude over a soft one...

Give me Warren Sapp and Primetime D.Sanders anyday of the week...

IMO The same attitude that can get in a players way can also make them a difference maker on the field...

Football is a war, somtimes you need afew "Mel Gibsons(leathal weapon)" on your side to make a difference...

I dont need facts, I got my opinion. I'll save the facts for the court room...

 

[Pariah]

I wouldn't want to give a second rounder, but I'd be happy if they gave up this year's and next year's third rounder.

 

[JeffGollin]

Normally and on face value (i.e. barring chronic injury or legitimate major attitude problem) I think Streets for a second round pick would be fair.

But our second round pick isn't an average second round pick - it's 5th highest in the round and therefore more like a very late first round pick.

I think that's too much for Streets. Maybe a 3rd and 4th round pick or this year's 3rd plus next year's 3rd. But not our #37.

Also - SF is in our division. While the heat of competition may not be as intense as the NFC East, do you really think SF would make a trade to a division competitor?

 

[RedStorm]

Re: Re: Possible Trade

Originally posted by red desert
And a seems to me that all "big three" SF wide recievers have a bit of an attitude problem. Or is it just that Terrell has enough attitude for the other guys to be tainted as well?

Who cares about attitude. It is football. We get points for scoring TDs. "Barney" or "Mr Rogers" is not the final judge of who wins the games.

 

[Cardiac]

Re: Re: Re: Possible Trade

Originally posted by RedStorm
Who cares about attitude. It is football. We get points for scoring TDs. "Barney" or "Mr Rogers" is not the final judge of who wins the games.

Many teams care about attitude. If a player is selfish or lazy or takes plays off then they don't help the team.

On a side note, don't you thinks it's time to remove the Howdy Doody signature. I think we have enough evidence at this point that RG is conducting business by his standards and not BB's.

 

[Stout]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Possible Trade

Originally posted by Cardiac
On a side note, don't you thinks it's time to remove the Howdy Doody signature. I think we have enough evidence at this point that RG is conducting business by his standards and not BB's.

Hey Cardiac, take a closer look at what his signature actually says...I think you'll find it actually is more apropos.

 

[az643dp]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Also - SF is in our division. While the heat of competition may not be as intense as the NFC East, do you really think SF would make a trade to a division competitor?

JeffG is right.

I think it would be an idiot move if a team traded a player to another team in their division. It's like the 49'ers saying..."Tai, you are going to Arizona. Please don't shove it up our butts twice a year."

 

[JeffGollin]

Who cares about attitude.
I know where you're coming from. Maybe these types of guys are players who can help their teams win. But the Cards historically have not done well with me-guys (i.e. Jamir, Simeon, D-Bo and you can add Mar Tay).

 

[Zeno]

The Cardinals not doing well historically with "me" guys doesn't seem to be helping them.

Simeon Rice won a Super Bowl and was an All Pro--had he been handled different here don't you think it is possible he could have posted similar numbers in a Cardinal uniform?

It seems every year there are players out there who are "me" players who have monstrous years and win a lot of games. Ray Lewis is nothing if not a "me" player would you turn him down? Same goes for Terrell Owens, Keyshawn Johnson, Joe Horn, Plaxico Burress, Eric Moulds...and the list goes on and on. Maybe its not the players but how the team handles them.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by Zeno
The Cardinals not doing well historically with "me" guys doesn't seem to be helping them.

Simeon Rice won a Super Bowl and was an All Pro--had he been handled different here don't you think it is possible he could have posted similar numbers in a Cardinal uniform?

It seems every year there are players out there who are "me" players who have monstrous years and win a lot of games. Ray Lewis is nothing if not a "me" player would you turn him down? Same goes for Terrell Owens, Keyshawn Johnson, Joe Horn, Plaxico Burress, Eric Moulds...and the list goes on and on. Maybe its not the players but how the team handles them.

Hence the problem with the Cards front office in past years. The Cards do not know how to handle big ego players well and I believe that stems from Bidwill.

Simeon was not the player for the Cards that he is for the Bucs. He had zero respect for the Cards front office and therefore didn't care to listen to the coaches, he just never bought into the system. Until the culture and attitude on this entire team is changed players like Rice won't do well here.

Secondly I disagree with some of the players you have listed as "me" players. Ray Lewis does like the spot light and did get into some trouble but he is a leader and cares deeply about his team. Not sure where you get the impression about Moulds, Horn and Burress being "me" players.

Owens and Johnson are fine examples of this behavior, I for one could put up with Owens behavior because of what he brings to the table but I wouldn't want Keyshawn on the team.

It's a fine line between getting players that are "me" guys that help the team reach their ultimate goal or just drag the rest of the team through the muck.

In today's NFL with so many teams fairly even in talent all it takes is one locker room cancer to keep a team from winning it all.