OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[602 Native]

Kind of like the lies/posts that indicate it's never Kyler's fault. And I'm not singling you out, there are many posts like this

This is a weird post considering I said the miss to Marv was K1s fault.

 

[WisconsinCard]

This is a weird post considering I said the miss to Marv was K1s fault.

It had nothing to do with any recent posts. It's about all the posts. It's also why I said posts, not post. But if you feel guilty for having a negative post about K1, that's on you.

 

[unseenaz]

That is so crazy how, it's not just a missed pass, but is referred to as a "wide open TD play", or "missed TD pass" as if Marvelous was already in the end zone. He was on about our 25 or 30. lol

He was behind the defense, burned the CB and was wide open..

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

THIS is what I believe is at the crux of his late season drop-offs in performance. It's not that he "chokes when the pressure is on". It's that he doesn't put in the time to study the aspects of the game that will prepare him for the new wrinkles that defenses are going to throw at him, so he doesn't anticipate where pressure will come from and who will be open, so he falters under pressure later in the season.

I don’t know if it’s a lack of game study, a lack of situational awareness, a lack of processing speed, or most likely a combination of all of the above. What I do know is that whatever it is, it’s enough to make him NOT enough.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He spent 4 years at UTEP, was drafted in the 6th round, 7 years as a professional in various capacities. He at least has an idea of what playing QB is about and the fundamentals. That at least looks like the resume of a QB coach instead of whatever we have.

Agreed. And typically the stars make terrible coaches. It’s usually the meat and potatoes guys that make the best coaches because they don’t succeed on talent. They have to work on it. To get to the league and stick around for a sandwich as a 6th round guy outta UTEP means there was likely something there between the ears.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

one interception today and we don't win that game - rattler threw some dangerous bad balls but kyler's bad throws were just bad - he protected the ball and we got of of new orleans alive

 

[Stout]

And this is your thoughts and feelings as usual.

Zero guarantee that pass connects it’s a touchdown but please continue to predict the future. Lots of distance to that goal line and we all know MHJ and the fastest dude.

Was it a miss? Yep but that as far as it goes.

Yeah, I'm going by what the play by play guy said. So, like, NOT my thoughts and feelings. Hardcore lose by you. But go ahead and hit the replay button, there, loser

 

[Stout]

This is a weird post considering I said the miss to Marv was K1s fault.

Yeah, you're always like *whispers* he made one missed throw, but then *shouts* but that was it and it was only one and not really his fault and he's so great he would be better on the Eagles than Hurts and I can throw a football over that mountain.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Yeah, I'm going by what the play by play guy said. So, like, NOT my thoughts and feelings. Hardcore lose by you. But go ahead and hit the replay button, there, loser

Yeah, but that guy probably also said that MHJ would have scored a touchdown for the Saints. That guy was so bad today. He shouldn't be in the booth.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He was behind the defense, burned the CB and was wide open..

He was. I just watched the play several times and Marvelous had two and half steps on the defender.

If it would have been a prefect pass, and MHJ would have only had to break full stride a little to bring it in, maybe he houses it. Maybe.

But the NO defender was in full sprint too and most likely would have gotten close enough to at least slow MHJ down. There was a 2nd NO defender closing as well.

Look, it was a terrible missed opportunity. Murray had a good pocket even though NO disguised their rush. It was a great call by DP, and an even better effort by Marvelous.

Out of his six incompletions, that was the most costly by a mile. But you take the good with the bad right?

And neither is K1 going to complete 100% of his passes like all the Never-Murray's seem to think he should.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

the fast developing route to marvelous in the enzone was nice - he cuts across the field - defender turns on the burners trying to catch up but zay got in his way just enough

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I do disagree.

Which of course is reasonable.

That's the frustrating thing about o-line performance. Unless you know each guys assignment on the play, it's hard to draw conclusions with a lot of certainty. I'll reserve any more criticism at least until I go back and watch game again.

But if you thought our pass protection last year and today was great, more power to you OZC.

 

[slanidrac16]

It’s an enigma that we are forced to live with.
We threw 3 deep balls today. One was successful, ironically into great coverage , the easier one was overthrown and one overthrow to Wilson.
Does Petzing REALLY sucks. Is he too conservative by design? Is he too conservative because lack of trust in Kyler?
Perhaps it’s a little of both. But Kyler always looks skittish. ALWAYS. We all watch a lot of football. Other qb’s SEEM to be calm.
It’s not going to magically change. In fact It’s never going to change. We will win some games when Kyler is being Kyler and we will lose some games when Kyler is being Kyler. Sometimes he will be pretty good. Sometimes he will be pretty bad. You know what that makes him?
Average.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

the fast developing route to marvelous in the enzone was nice - he cuts across the field - defender turns on the burners trying to catch up but zay got in his way just enough

Agree and I think a lot of the stuff DP draws up works fine. I'm not as down on him as a lot of guys here.

It's not like the offensive roster is overflowing with talent.

 

[PDXChris]

The Arians and the Cardinals marriage should have been forced to last longer

FTFY

 

[TJ]

Tua’s been hit too many times he used to be good but he’s damaged goods.

I;m more worried about his physical health beyond football. That guy is going to have a life similar to Kevin Kolb where he cant go into any bright rooms without getting a headache.

 

[Phrazbit]

Mobile Sam Bradford looked a lot like a mobile Sam Bradford today.

 

[AZ Native]

He was. I just watched the play several times and Marvelous had two and half steps on the defender.

If it would have been a prefect pass, and MHJ would have only had to break full stride a little to bring it in, maybe he houses it. Maybe.

But the NO defender was in full sprint too and most likely would have gotten close enough to at least slow MHJ down. There was a 2nd NO defender closing as well.

Look, it was a terrible missed opportunity. Murray had a good pocket even though NO disguised their rush. It was a great call by DP, and an even better effort by Marvelous.

Out of his six incompletions, that was the most costly by a mile. But you take the good with the bad right?

And neither is K1 going to complete 100% of his passes like all the Never-Murray's seem to think he should.

Yeah, K1 missed that throw but he did enough for the win. First game, basically no preseason. He has skills , let’s see how it plays out. He’s our qb and I support him but my area code is not 602.

 

[kerouac9]

That bad sack on the first drive was totally on the TEs screwing up the assignment in blocking and not at all on Kyler.

Kyler prolly should have checked out of the play there. The TEs can’t change the play and I don’t know what you want either to do with Cam Jordan right there.

Yeah, but that guy probably also said that MHJ would have scored a touchdown for the Saints. That guy was so bad today. He shouldn't be in the booth.

It was so weird to have a three-man booth where the two color guys sounded so similar. It just sounded like a torrent of words all game long.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Which of course is reasonable.

That's the frustrating thing about o-line performance. Unless you know each guys assignment on the play, it's hard to draw conclusions with a lot of certainty. I'll reserve any more criticism at least until I go back and watch game again.

But if you thought our pass protection last year and today was great, more power to you OZC.

No need to make stuff up. I never said it was great. But it was adequate. There were a LOT of plays where Kyler sat back there and just couldn’t make a play. It was adequate or more last year too.

 

[Chopper0080]

This is the level of game i expect from Kyler.

 

[oaken1]

That is so crazy how, it's not just a missed pass, but is referred to as a "wide open TD play", or "missed TD pass" as if Marvelous was already in the end zone. He was on about our 25 or 30. lol

Well in truth...Marv may not be the quickest, but he does have excellent long speed.
Being behind the defense, if he caught it in stride, it's highly probable Marv takes that to the house.

 

[oaken1]

He was. I just watched the play several times and Marvelous had two and half steps on the defender.

If it would have been a prefect pass, and MHJ would have only had to break full stride a little to bring it in, maybe he houses it. Maybe.

But the NO defender was in full sprint too and most likely would have gotten close enough to at least slow MHJ down. There was a 2nd NO defender closing as well.

Look, it was a terrible missed opportunity. Murray had a good pocket even though NO disguised their rush. It was a great call by DP, and an even better effort by Marvelous.

Out of his six incompletions, that was the most costly by a mile. But you take the good with the bad right?

And neither is K1 going to complete 100% of his passes like all the Never-Murray's seem to think he should.

Missing that sucked. But we took two shots and hit one. If we continue to do that 50% is enough to make defenses respect the deep ball and back off

 

[BritCard]

Turnover machine Smith.

The guy that’s been on like 19 teams and wasn’t resigned last season?

Sure buddy

I mean, he was traded dude.


All this confirms you don't know ball.

 

[602 Native]

K1 haters in shambles

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