OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[football karma]

What high level QB instruction do you think Isreal Woolfork is giving Kyler Murray? Woolfork played WR at Grand Valley State. 2 years RB coach at Miami Ohio. 3 years WR coach at Miami Ohio. 2 years in the diversity fellowship with the Browns. Then QB coach of Kyler Murray.

everyone wants Kyler to go see Jordan Palmer, who presumably would qualify for high level --

the Qb who played at UTEP and attempted 18 passes in the NFL. Spent no time on a coaching staff.

But he fixed Josh Allen!! maybe.

 

[602 Native]

It begs the question, why haven't the Cardinals been drafting late round quarterbacks?

I don't think being shy about the situation helps.

Tune doesn't appear to be a long term replacement.

It begs the question can MO spot QB talent?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

It begs the question can MO spot QB talent?

this is some of your best work bro

 

[oaken1]

You only get so many draft picks. It’s not like the guys they took in the 2024 draft didn’t make the team. They also traded for Demons Ridder last year, which is another way they tried to expand the board.

It seemed like the staffs before Gannon had 4 or more QBs in camp every offseason for this reason. Seems like a miss on MOJG’s part, since they’re putting meaningless mileage on our guys and not digging into the dirt to perhaps find a gem.

one wonders at the types of text conversations you might have when your autocorrect subs in "Demons" for "Desmond"

 

[Chopper0080]

This isn’t something you can do—that’s not operative advice. He knows how to limit mistakes. That’s not the error.

The most obvious fail point is he’s not prepared for the adjustments teams make once the first blush of the offense is seen. A secondary question is how well he’s communicating what he sees that leads to errors so the scheme can correct for it.

That’s why his “I just Run the plays called” comments are so annoying. He’s the focal point of the offense but doesn’t want to take ownership for it when he’s not playing well.

Yes

 

[Chopper0080]

They did two years ago

And I will be shocked if they don't draft a QB next year. I also expect it to be before the 5th round.

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, tbh, a staff should be doing that regardless if it’s Kyler or Eric Clarkson from across the street at QB. I agree with everything else in the post, though.

I agree that upgrading the o-line, run game, and defense are not unique roster building strategies. I do believe the emphasis of TE depth and RB depth over WR depth does show a desire to deemphasize Kyler.

 

[Chopper0080]

THIS is what I believe is at the crux of his late season drop-offs in performance. It's not that he "chokes when the pressure is on". It's that he doesn't put in the time to study the aspects of the game that will prepare him for the new wrinkles that defenses are going to throw at him, so he doesn't anticipate where pressure will come from and who will be open, so he falters under pressure later in the season.

In order to plan for what a team will do against you, you have to self scout your weaknesses and tendencies. Again, Kyler hasn't shown he does this well.

 

[Chopper0080]

everyone wants Kyler to go see Jordan Palmer, who presumably would qualify for high level --

the Qb who played at UTEP and attempted 18 passes in the NFL. Spent no time on a coaching staff.

But he fixed Josh Allen!! maybe.

He spent 4 years at UTEP, was drafted in the 6th round, 7 years as a professional in various capacities. He at least has an idea of what playing QB is about and the fundamentals. That at least looks like the resume of a QB coach instead of whatever we have.

 

[Chopper0080]

It begs the question can MO spot QB talent?

Well, tbf, Monti hasn't seen a QB better than Ryan Tannehill since he left Tennessee.

 

[Chopper0080]

**rage bait alert**

 

[kerouac9]

He spent 4 years at UTEP, was drafted in the 6th round, 7 years as a professional in various capacities. He at least has an idea of what playing QB is about and the fundamentals. That at least looks like the resume of a QB coach instead of whatever we have.

He also coached up Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. At this point his client list speaks louder than his resume.

What does Kyler have to lose?

 

[Stout]

i think this is 100% speculation

No. His father is his QB mentor. He's on record. Unless he's secretly seeing another QB guru and somehow the positive pub was, for some reason, suppressed?

 

[PACardsFan]

A good question, who he is surrounded with. Who is his offseason QB guru? Who is guiding that extra work we all want him to take on? You know, when he's supposedly doing all he can to improve?

MOJG have lauded his offseason work since they’ve taken over. In a rebuild from ground zero, Murray has had to make do with a slow, but steady improvement in the talent level around him.

 

[PACardsFan]

I think both of those things can lead to more wins, but I don't believe they will lead to Kyler playing better than he currently is. They aren't going to make him better in critical moments and in the 2 min drill. They aren't going to help him stay in the pocket longer and deliver a dime with a defensive player bearing down on him. They aren't going to make him more aggressive. Also consider everything Monti has done since he has been GM is to deemphasize Kyler Murry. Defensive coach. Run focused OC. Build the line. Heavy RB/TE focus. Invest in one WR and figure out the rest. Invest in the defense. All IMO of course.

Just highlighting a difference...I don't take the "MVP candidate" seriously as a testament to his skill. It was 7 games into a season. So many great coaches have talked about the beginning of seasons being a little bit of fools gold that everyone should listen to it. If Kyler is ever a MVP candidate with 4 weeks to go, I will happily acknowledge it.

In case you haven’t been paying attention, all that matters to MOJG are WINS. All they care about is having one more point than the opposition.

 

[kerouac9]

MOJG have lauded his offseason work since they’ve taken over. In a rebuild from ground zero, Murray has had to make do with a slow, but steady improvement in the talent level around him.

Please find some quotes on this and post. Thanks in advance

 

[kerouac9]

In case you haven’t been paying attention, all that matters to MOJG are WINS. All they care about is having one more point than the opposition.

12-22! They’re doing a terrible job if that’s all that that matters!

 

[oaken1]

12-22! They’re doing a terrible job if that’s all that that matters!

24-27 by January...and then at least 1-1 in postseason

 

[PACardsFan]

Please find some quotes on this and post. Thanks in advance

Get off your lazy butt & find it yourself lol. All you have to do is listen to all the MOJG interviews. They’re not shy about their love of Kyler.

 

[PACardsFan]

12-22! They’re doing a terrible job if that’s all that that matters!

As long as MOJG are running the show, ONLY their opinion matters.

 

[kerouac9]

Get off your lazy butt & find it yourself lol. All you have to do is listen to all the MOJG interviews. They’re not shy about their love of Kyler.

Oh so you’re making stuff up good to know

 

[kerouac9]

As long as MOJG are running the show, ONLY their opinion matters.

So
Winning isn’t the only thing that matters then?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Get off your lazy butt & find it yourself lol. All you have to do is listen to all the MOJG interviews. They’re not shy about their love of Kyler.

there's saying and there's paying - have mojg paid kyler?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

chiefs gave mahomes a 10 year contract - that's love - josh allen is signed clear thru 2030 - that's love - kyler is in his physical and mental prime right now - hes had 2 years in petzing's offense - where's the love - still cashing checks signed by keim

 

[slanidrac16]

He also coached up Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. At this point his client list speaks louder than his resume.

What does Kyler have to lose?

Can he provide 3-4 inch foot inserts?