Maximize Marvelous

[BirdGangThing]

i think this is the biggest topic in here this week - it's simple - we could have gotten a haul for marvelous - most likely a polethera but we kept him for ourselves and for the time being - kyler murray

i say this because it's a what have you done for me lately league - marvelous might be around after murray especially with the way murray doesn't maximize marvelous

the pattern - as everyone has alluded to - shows a complete lack of targets to marvelous - especially as compared to the receivers drafted behind him - im getting ready for work so i can't geek out but other teams built their offense around and constantly target the wide receivers they got just 2 years ago

is it kyler not throwing to him enough

is it petzing - his vanilla playcall and predictable routes

is it marvelous not getting open

o-line?

marvelous caught the deep ball and accompanying td in week 1 but apparently the panthers had deion sanders covering him so we just stayed away while their wide receiver had a *********** day

i say throw it to marvelous - open or not if the db's has his back turned - throw it - get creative with routes when the neons are shutting him down - build his confidence- go to the well often because we are not getting what we invested

 

[Shane]

Why so he can drop them?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Why so he can drop them?

not the problem lol moving on

 

[Goodyear Card]

You have to take what the defense gives you. if the mismatches one game are the tight ends you take it. If they have a poor run defense, you run the ball. I am not worried about MHJ. If he needs advice on being a better WR his dad knows something about football.

 

[Shane]

his dad knows something about football.

Just because you were a great player even Hall of Fame player doesn’t mean you’re a good coach…. One doesn’t equate to the other.

 

[TJ]

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Actually use him. Simple.

BTW - this doesn’t just apply to Marv, it’s also Dorch, Wilson et al.

 

[BulldogCard]

Murray misses wide open guys often. Game 1 at N.O. he missed MHJ on a throw that would have sealed the game, likely led to a score. Last game, there were guys open including in the end zone that of course he didn't see. His football IQ, studies, or maybe it's his height aren't up to the level to be great. He's talented, but Keim is the one that ran to the podium to draft this guy first. Not me, I would have drafted a big, tall strong quarterback, and would have done whatever it takes to do so. I believe Keim was drinking.

 

[Goodyear Card]

Just because you were a great player even Hall of Fame player doesn’t mean you’re a good coach…. One doesn’t equate to the other.

never said that

 

[Shane]

never said that

Ummmm ok

 

[Metcalf Rules]

He just needs to spend more time listening to Fernando.

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[WisconsinCard]

You have to take what the defense gives you. if the mismatches one game are the tight ends you take it. If they have a poor run defense, you run the ball. I am not worried about MHJ. If he needs advice on being a better WR his dad knows something about football.

Or you just throw it to your first read, open or not.

 

[Harry]

Why so he can drop them?

Drops are part of the game. Some of the most dangerous WRs still have drops. Experience often helps with this issue. He has enough talent to compensate for a few drops.

 

[Stout]

He just needs to spend more time listening to Fernando.

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[602 Native]

If the OC can't figure this out then he is worthless.

He isn't maximizing his weapons and if you run to "Its K1s fault" that is still the OCs fault as well.

P Guy is what he is. A guy in way over his head in a passing league.

 

[602 Native]

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Actually use him. Simple.

BTW - this doesn’t just apply to Marv, it’s also Dorch, Wilson et al.

This is chart is showing me that this is a JG issue.

 

[TJ]

This is chart is showing me that this is a JG issue.

If Drew isnt fired by the end of the season, it's on Monti and JG

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Murray can get the ball to McBride, right?

You can't tell me then that Murray's "not capable" of getting the ball to MHJ. It's a matter play call and play design!

 

[Shane]

Murray can get the ball to McBride, right?

You can't tell me then that Murray's "not capable" of getting the ball to MHJ. It's a matter play call and play design!

You want your number one top five pick wide receiver running 5 yard routes like McBride?

 

[BirdGangThing]

You want your number one top five pick wide receiver running 5 yard routes like McBride?

can marvelous even hurdle people

 

[TJ]

The WR room is getting a new nickname

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[phillycard]

Murray misses wide open guys often. Game 1 at N.O. he missed MHJ on a throw that would have sealed the game, likely led to a score. Last game, there were guys open including in the end zone that of course he didn't see. His football IQ, studies, or maybe it's his height aren't up to the level to be great. He's talented, but Keim is the one that ran to the podium to draft this guy first. Not me, I would have drafted a big, tall strong quarterback, and would have done whatever it takes to do so. I believe Keim was drinking.

That fella that played for Louisville would have been pretty nice in the desert.

 

[HairZach]

not the problem lol moving on

Drops/catch rate are a big part of the problem. It means that most of the time we throw to MHJ, we get 0 yards. Hard to move the chains when that happens. In order to give MHJ more targets he we need to reduce McBrides targets, why would we do that if MHJ has a terrible catch rate?

MHJ has a 22.2% target share and McBride has a 29.6% target share. For example, in another highly concentrated offense, Jamar Chase gets 27% of the targets and Tee Higgins 24.9%. You cant realistically concentrate an offense more than that, its just bad football.

Maybe you're thinking its all usage, if MHJ has trouble catching the deep stuff, maybe give him more short stuff? The problem there is he's terrible at breaking tackles and getting YAC. That was something he couldnt even do in college while beating up on the sisters of the poor.

I think a lot of people just don't realize how little we actually pass in general. 20% of 25 dropbacks is 5 target. Meanwhile the Bengals dropped back to pass 42 times last week. Higgins actually only got 4 targets in that game, while his usage last year would predict at least 10. Higgins turned his 4 targets into 51 yards and a TD. Marvin turned his 5 targets into 27 yards. This is a small sample to illustrate something that holds true if you look at larger samples, Tee Higgins is a better WR than MHJ.

If our defense collapses due to the CB injuries, and our run blocking continues to be terrible, maybe we start seeing Kyler drop back 40-50 times a game. If that happens, Marvin "inefficiency" Jr. might start seeing fantasy stats (PPR scam). I personally dont want to see Kyler dropping back that much. But just know this, if MHJ was as good as everyone here wants him to be, he would be able to produce with the 20-22% target share he currently has, even in a low pass volume offense. If that starts happening I would be fine with him stealing some of McBrides targets. But right now, MHJ is a painfully average player and McBride is an elite player, who deserves an elite target share.

 

[602 Native]

You want your number one top five pick wide receiver running 5 yard routes like McBride?

He’s being used as a decoy and run blocking now so why not?

 

[TJ]

Drops/catch rate are a big part of the problem. It means that most of the time we throw to MHJ, we get 0 yards. Hard to move the chains when that happens. In order to give MHJ more targets he we need to reduce McBrides targets, why would we do that if MHJ has a terrible catch rate?

MHJ has a 22.2% target share and McBride has a 29.6% target share. For example, in another highly concentrated offense, Jamar Chase gets 27% of the targets and Tee Higgins 24.9%. You cant realistically concentrate an offense more than that, its just bad football.

Maybe you're thinking its all usage, if MHJ has trouble catching the deep stuff, maybe give him more short stuff? The problem there is he's terrible at breaking tackles and getting YAC. That was something he couldnt even do in college while beating up on the sisters of the poor.

I think a lot of people just don't realize he little we actually pass in general. 20% of 25 dropbacks is 5 target. Meanwhile the Bengals dropped back to pass 42 times last week. Higgins actually only got 4 targets in that game, while his usage last year would predict at least 10. Higgins turned his 4 targets into 51 yards and a TD. Marvin turned his 5 targets into 27 yards. This is a small sample to illustrate something that holds true if you look at larger samples, Tee Higgins is a better WR than MHJ.

If our defense collapses due to the CB injuries, and our run blocking continues to be terrible, maybe we start seeing Kyler drop back 40-50 times a game. If that happens, Marvin "inefficiency" Jr. might start seeing fantasy stats (PPR scam). I personally dont want to see Kyler dropping back that much. But just know this, if MHJ was as good as everyone here wants him to be, he would be able to produce with the 20-22% target share he currently has, even in a low pass volume offense. If that starts happening I would be fine with him stealing some of McBrides targets. But right now, MHJ is a painfully average player and McBride is an elite player, who deserves an elite target share.

Wrs aren't going to develop in schemes that a) only have the QB drop back 20 times and b) concentrate on short yardage situations. That's 1980's antiquated stuff.

The year before JG and Drew came, McBride caught for 265 yards and then steeply went up to 900 the following year. That's scheme. You still have to devlope even the most tailor made NFL prospects; otherwise, theyre destined to fail

 

[HairZach]

He’s being used as a decoy and run blocking now so why not?

He's genuinely terrible at the short stuff.

MHJ has a normal target share for a WR2. He's not as good as McBride, everyone can see it. Giving MHJ targets McBride should get would be dumb.