Have conviction.

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    Brady would probably not be TB12 without Belicheck. He would be an average QB.

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    I dont think
    No. Average QBs dont win in the NFL anymore. This isn't 1983. Really good QBs can even win with bad offensive lines (Wilson and Brady at times).
     
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    In college yes. Against teams that have very limited time to install game plans. Against horrible defenses.
     
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    Interesting so You consider Nick Foles Elite then because he won just a year ago
     
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    Or retired
     
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    Same argument for Murray in college, right? The Big 12 is the No 12 for defense.

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    Exactly.Lousy defensive conference.5 teams in the conference defenses gave up over 30 points a game average. The BEST defense gave up a average of almost 23 points a game.Defense optional conference.
     
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    Exactly.Lousy defensive conference.5 teams in the conference defenses gave up over 30 points a game average. The BEST defense gave up a average of almost 23 points a game.Defense optional conference.
     
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    Exactly.Lousy defensive conference.5 teams in the conference defenses gave up over 30 points a game average. The BEST defense gave up a average of almost 23 points a game.Defense optional conference.
     
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    Exactly.Lousy defensive conference.5 teams in the conference defenses gave up over 30 points a game average. The BEST defense gave up a average of almost 23 points a game.Defense optional conference.
     
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    Exactly.Lousy defensive conference.5 teams in the conference defenses gave up over 30 points a game average. The BEST defense gave up a average of almost 23 points a game.Defense optional conference.
     
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    This is a lazy take. This assumes that 1) Rosen wont improve with better coaching, weapons, protection, and locker room morale, and 2) Murray is a fail-safe pick. Both of which I can say with confidence are false. With that logic, Sam Darnold and Josh Allen are destined for failure because all three had...well....rookie seasons.

    You also don’t draft a QB to win ROY, you draft him to develop and become the QBoF. If Rosen stays, we’ll know a lot more about what we truly have in him. If he balls out in 2019, that’s great. We have our QBoF plus whomever the #1 pick is to do damage. If we trade Rosen and draft Murray, we have a project at QB with no #1 pick to make an instant impact.
     
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    Intersting ...but I don`t put a lot credence in much Colin Cowturd says.
     
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    I’m sorry, but people make a ton of stupid moves “with conviction.” One time I threw a tank of propane in a bonfire and jumped over it to impress people “with conviction.”

    It wasn’t until my friend threw me in the back of a truck, sped away from the scene, and bit me that I realized how stupid I was being.

    An extreme example, but at the end of the day these guys make their money by fielding a competitive team that sells tickets. Turning the Cardinals into the sideshow exhibit for the rest of the NFL to laugh at isn’t that answer.

    I applaud the risk of getting Kingsbury, actually. I have a good feeling about him, as a former NFL player with innovative coaching lines. Murray scares me more than Trixie the Giraffe-Necked Girl from Scranton.

    (This post went in a lot of weird directions.)
     
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    It could happen.

    Or not.

    Nothing's a lock in the NFL ((otherwise why play the games or have a draft)?

    As good an approach as any is: Play the odds & at least have the laws of probability work in your favor.

    - Fail with Murray and you wind up with nada in the 1st round.

    - Succeed with Murray and you end up with Murray.

    - Fail with Rosen and at least you end up with Bosa or QW.

    - Succeed with Rosen and you hit the jackpot with a starting QB plus Bosa or QW.

    None of the above options is fail-safe, but placing your money on Rosen gives us the best odds for success.
     
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    Nope. Nick Foles played out of his mind.

    You cant try that with 100 average QBs and it works like 9 times. Not to mention that the Eagles team around Nick Foles was very good.
     
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