Darius Robinson

[82CardsGrad]

He’s not a problem. He’s Zaven Collins; he doesn’t add much value but he also isn’t getting blown up or actively harming the team.

I think Josh Jacobs would beg to differ with you...

 

[Chopper0080]

He’s not a problem. He’s Zaven Collins; he doesn’t add much value but he also isn’t getting blown up or actively harming the team.

This is a better way of saying what I was saying. Thanks wordsmith.

 

[Chopper0080]

FWIW I saw stills getting penetration more often than I saw Darius Robinson managing it. Like with Kyler and Brissett, if you have to justify your guy being as visible as Dante Stills, you’ve already lost the argument.

I’m obviously not ready to close the book on Robinson but I’m with the podcasters expecting more from him at this point.

I’d like to see him at edge but we don’t have bodies in the middle right now to move him over.

This is a fair critique when combined with your subsequent post.

 

[Chopper0080]

One of the best things the Rams do is draft players who are good pass rushers and then teach them to stop the run. The Cardinals do the opposite. They draft guys who are not good pass rushers and then try to teach them to do that.

One approach seems to generate better results than the other.

 

[cardsfanmd]

When rookies get injured to start their careers, they normally have a hard time coming back and catching up. We saw this with Jonathan Cooper and now Robinson. I'm scared about what Nolan's gonna look like once he's healed

With all do respect, injuries didn’t stop Jonathan Cooper. Being soft did. The minute I saw his interview while dancing around with his clarinet and music being his real passion, I knew we were screwed.

 

[Chopper0080]

Dude… this is unhinged. Continuing to stan in any way for 2025 Wendell Bryant is laughable but saying posters are “sucking off Stills”? What’s wrong with you?

I get that you never want to admit you’re wrong about anything but to do so to the point of throwing that kind of invective crap into the discussion is pathetic… and I’m not even one of the people “sucking Stills off”.

Where does this "never admit when I am wrong" thing come from?

and we both know Wendell Bryant's issues and Darius Robinson's issues are two very different situations.

 

[tennis-player]

With all do respect, injuries didn’t stop Jonathan Cooper. Being soft did. The minute I saw his interview while dancing around with his clarinet and music being his real passion, I knew we were screwed.

That was Robert Nkemdiche, not Jonathan Cooper. And it was a sax, not a clarinet. He was fined by the team for spending his time playing in a local jazz club, rather than rehabbing his injury.

 

[Stout]

He’s not a problem. He’s Zaven Collins; he doesn’t add much value but he also isn’t getting blown up or actively harming the team.

Which is a problem. You can't continually and consistently, over several GM eras, draft guys that only meet the bar of "Not getting blown up or actively harming the team" in the 1st round. That is a problem.

 

[Chopper0080]

Which is a problem. You can't continually and consistently, over several GM eras, draft guys that only meet the bar of "Not getting blown up or actively harming the team" in the 1st round. That is a problem.

A thought exercise.

If Monti's first two drafts nets him Jaylen Waddle, Christian Darrisaw, and Zaven Collins, is that horrible? It doesn't equate to equitable value but did result if every one of those players getting a second NFL contract with the team that drafted them. Is getting a Zaven Collins level player at 27th in the draft awful?

 

[kerouac9]

Which is a problem. You can't continually and consistently, over several GM eras, draft guys that only meet the bar of "Not getting blown up or actively harming the team" in the 1st round. That is a problem.

That is a problem, but that’s not a Darius Robinson problem. It’s a Monti Ossenfort problem. DRob didn’t choose to be selected where he was.

 

[kerouac9]

Is getting a Zaven Collins level player at 27th in the draft awful?

It’s not awful but it’s not good. It will eventually get you fired.

 

[BritCard]

Beej and Isiah Jones may want a word

I believe it's Isaiah Adams.

But they were 2nd and 3rd round picks. Beej has 4 sacks as a rookie before doing his ACL. Adams was a 3rd round pick.

D Rob was somebody thinking they were being clever. Someone convinced themselves they saw JJ Watt or something and made a massive reach. I didn't like the pick as an Edge, I said so at the time, but I could at least justify it. But to move him to DT was dumb, especially as his college DT tape sucked.

Apparently he had 3 pressures on Sunday though. Can't say I saw one.

I will say this. DT is a hard transition. I think possible the hardest in the game after QB. It often takes 1500 snaps for the lights to go on. So he could, in time, turn out fine. But that doesn't absolve Monti because this team was not in a position to draft multi year project tweeners in round 1. That's something you can try in round 4-6.

Ultimately this franchise is failing because we draft D Robs with 1st round picks and the Rams draft Kobie Turners with 3rd round picks. Monti could have had Sweat or Fiske, two players I said would be good in the league, and he took a project over them (I also said Jer'Zhan Newton would be good so you can't win them all).

 

[football karma]

Someone convinced themselves they saw JJ Watt or something and made a massive reach. I didn't like the pick as an Edge, I said so at the time, but I could at least justify it. But to move him to DT was dumb, especially as his college DT tape sucked.

he was picked right around where people had him going, but by the wrong scheme

probably best as a strong side 4-3 DE who can give you some pass rush pop. I thought drafting 4-3 players for coaches who run diff schemes was only a Keim thing

 

[DVontel]

You know Brit hates the Darius Robinson pick so bad that he’s critiquing Monti/FO which is a rarity.

 

[BritCard]

You know Brit hates the Darius Robinson pick so bad that he’s critiquing Monti/FO which is a rarity.

I criticise them when I think they deserve it and I did so on draft night. I just don't agree with much of the criticism because I think fans expect too much. They think every draft pick and every FA should hit, and often only register the bad ones while ignoring the good ones. Most teams have Monti's at GM. All have misses.

ADG has been another miss. Complete ghost on defense. While you know my criticism of Kyzir it would have been better to stay with the known quantity in hindsight.

 

[kerouac9]

But they were 2nd and 3rd round picks. Beej has 4 sacks as a rookie before doing his ACL. Adams was a 3rd round pick.

D Rob was somebody thinking they were being clever. Someone convinced themselves they saw JJ Watt or something and made a massive reach. I didn't like the pick as an Edge, I said so at the time, but I could at least justify it. But to move him to DT was dumb, especially as his college DT tape sucked.

Nah. Just being on the field and playing average ball is okay for a first-round pick. Monti has gotten zero career starts from Beej and Adams. Adams got jumped by Denzel Ward and Kei’Trel Clark, who the coaches hate. He can’t even play special teams.

 

[ajcardfan]

Nah. Just being on the field and playing average ball is okay for a first-round pick. Monti has gotten zero career starts from Beej and Adams. Adams got jumped by Denzel Ward and Kei’Trel Clark, who the coaches hate. He can’t even play special teams.

Pretty sure you are talking about Elijah Jones and not Isaiah Adams.

 

[Russ Smith]

I believe it's Isaiah Adams.

But they were 2nd and 3rd round picks. Beej has 4 sacks as a rookie before doing his ACL. Adams was a 3rd round pick.

D Rob was somebody thinking they were being clever. Someone convinced themselves they saw JJ Watt or something and made a massive reach. I didn't like the pick as an Edge, I said so at the time, but I could at least justify it. But to move him to DT was dumb, especially as his college DT tape sucked.

Apparently he had 3 pressures on Sunday though. Can't say I saw one.

I will say this. DT is a hard transition. I think possible the hardest in the game after QB. It often takes 1500 snaps for the lights to go on. So he could, in time, turn out fine. But that doesn't absolve Monti because this team was not in a position to draft multi year project tweeners in round 1. That's something you can try in round 4-6.

Ultimately this franchise is failing because we draft D Robs with 1st round picks and the Rams draft Kobie Turners with 3rd round picks. Monti could have had Sweat or Fiske, two players I said would be good in the league, and he took a project over them (I also said Jer'Zhan Newton would be good so you can't win them all).

One of the pressures was him breaking free with Love in his sights and Love faked around him and ran forward as we all posted on the game thread man D Rob looked slow. He was way too high on the play so he couldn't change direction fast enough to make the play

 

[Russ Smith]

I criticise them when I think they deserve it and I did so on draft night. I just don't agree with much of the criticism because I think fans expect too much. They think every draft pick and every FA should hit, and often only register the bad ones while ignoring the good ones. Most teams have Monti's at GM. All have misses.

ADG has been another miss. Complete ghost on defense. While you know my criticism of Kyzir it would have been better to stay with the known quantity in hindsight.

ADG is what we call in basketball a tweener. Too small to be impactful against the run but not fast or twitchy enough to be impactful against the pass

 

[kerouac9]

Pretty sure you are talking about Elijah Jones and not Isaiah Adams.

Yup him

 

[HairZach]

With all do respect, injuries didn’t stop Jonathan Cooper. Being soft did. The minute I saw his interview while dancing around with his clarinet and music being his real passion, I knew we were screwed.

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[JohnnyCakes]

DR was a first round pick, he doesnt do ish. Bad pick, cmon guys

 

[cardsfanmd]

That was Robert Nkemdiche, not Jonathan Cooper. And it was a sax, not a clarinet. He was fined by the team for spending his time playing in a local jazz club, rather than rehabbing his injury.

Wrong lol.

 

[Mulli]

Wrong lol.

He was in a hot tub

 

[WisconsinCard]

He was in a hot tub

8.5/8.5