Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[BullheadCardFan]

Can Monti draft?

Sub par so far

And if he's the one drafting our next QBOF then we're in a load of trouble

 

[TJ]

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[kerouac9]

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At least 5 targets. Huge sample size here.

 

[Mulli]

At least 5 targets. Huge sample size here.

People like graphs, sir

 

[BirdGangThing]

At least 5 targets. Huge sample size here.

you got the stats to dispute this phenomenon?

 

[BirdGangThing]

2 catches for 2 first downs - another first down drawing pi penalty - one drop/bobble resulting in a turnover (overturned this week)

marvins pattern is footsteps- whether standing still and crouched waiting for the ball - or running across the middle anticipating the hit - dude is not his dad

he's far from useless and none of this is set in stone but when the drops happen due to fearing contact it becomes hard to rely on him in the clutch unless it's one on one and he can go after the ball

 

[DVontel]

Is MHJ the next great hypothetical player?

 

[SoonerLou]

Is MHJ the next great hypothetical player?

There seems to be limitations. Just nothing in terms of YAC or physicality. Expecting him to snag a pass outta the air and take it the distance is like expecting Kyler to stand tall in the pocket with interior pressure.

As I've said we/he might need an elite QB to get the most out of him. We need someone to improve his level of dog and aggressiveness as well.

The thing I'm starting to wonder is did he peak/overachieve in college? Remember guys like JSN, Garrett Wilson and Egbuka were viewed as much better prospects coming out of HS.

Harbaugh was able to save Quintin Johnston so its not to late for MHJ. Need the rights coaches as well.

 

[Harry]

I totally disagree with these negative assessments of Harrison. Murray avoids throwing and runs when a receiver is not obviously open. ESPN ran a great piece on throwing a receiver open. Murray has not mastered that skill. Additionally he needs to trust his receivers more to make plays when single covered. Harrison has not been outstanding, but he’s far from a bust. He needs to be targeted more and he, like most Cardinal receivers, needs to learn to find holes in zones and sit. We’ve seen Harrison get better at this. If Brissett doesn’t throw the ball at his feet, Harrison’s probable reception may well change the outcome of the GB game.

 

[Stout]

Is MHJ the next great hypothetical player?

He's quickly going down the road of being a good #2 WR who needs a good #1 to take the pressure off him.

 

[Garthshort]

I totally disagree with these negative assessments of Harrison. Murray avoids throwing and runs when a receiver is not obviously open. ESPN ran a great piece on throwing a receiver open. Murray has not mastered that skill. Additionally he needs to trust his receivers more to make plays when single covered. Harrison has not been outstanding, but he’s far from a bust. He needs to be targeted more and he, like most Cardinal receivers, needs to learn to find holes in zones and sit. We’ve seen Harrison get better at this. If Brissett doesn’t throw the ball at his feet, Harrison’s probable reception may well change the outcome of the GB game.

Murray not trusting his receivers is a legitimate concern. But, I think he did that when we had DeAndre Hopkins. Or so it seemed.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think one thing I never expected but we're far enough in it's obvious is Marv isn't polished for a guy who was supposed to be so polished, son of HOF WR etc.

Example 1 million the 3rd down play in tbe endzone last night. It's a deep out I think the announcer called it a 7. If you looked at teh replay you could see where the deep DB was to Marv's right so the open area to throw is what we commonly call a back shoulder. But as the announcer said, marv was trying to get back to his right and then go back so JB had to wait and wound up throwing it out of bounds to the left.

It seems to me and maybe all 22 will show otherwise but it seems like JB wanted to throw the backshoulder but could see Marv wasn't looking and wouldn't get it so he pumped, again the announcer said I don't know why he had it but didn't throw it? So whose fault was that, Marv, JB, just good defense?

The other option there is hang it up for a jumpball but it's 3rd down not 4th so if they pick it you're furious. So I was mad JB put the ball out of play but maybe that's why?

 

[BritCard]

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[BritCard]

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[kerouac9]

I blame Monti and Gannon for having half a season with their QB and so wildly miscalculating what he needs in a target. Charmin could be a low-end #1 WR with a pro-style QB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I blame Monti and Gannon for having half a season with their QB and so wildly miscalculating what he needs in a target. Charmin could be a low-end #1 WR with a pro-style QB.

Probably. This guy still has it in him to be a very good WR. But this staff/QB ain’t the group to help make that a reality and he just doesn’t seem to have the dog inside himself to force it happen himself.

 

[Mulli]

I blame Monti and Gannon for having half a season with their QB and so wildly miscalculating what he needs in a target. Charmin could be a low-end #1 WR with a pro-style QB.

I blame them for being bad at their jobs

 

[BirdGangThing]

you're supposed to look both ways before crossing the street - not before catching the ball

we all want more creative routes for marvelous but he goes skillets in traffic - bad skillets too that are unable to haul it in but somehow keep the ball in play for the defense to take away

if marv can't go over the middle he becomes more predictable - this is no bueno considering he's already being covered by the other other team's best cb

i think he's good but has to work on that before he can become all that - i defended him when he was on the all k9 team - surprised to see he's off it now but i agree with why

and as always he needs more targets

 

[football karma]

feel tons better about MHJs prospects than 4 weeks ago

now we just need Drew to actually create concepts to get him the ball

 

[Rohinaz]

Cards should have added another threat at wr to take pressure off him.

 

[kerouac9]

if marv can't go over the middle he becomes more predictable - this is no bueno considering he's already being covered by the other other team's best cb

I disagree with this. We have a guy who plays and gets attention over the middle—his name is Trey McBride.

Harrison got good looks as a traditional X receiver like his dad. Brissett is willing to throw the ball down the field and its opening up things for the entire wideout corps.

Marv can run good and precise routes; he’s looked slow or lazy because he’s been trying to execute the Kyler Vibes Offense. That’s not his or Wilson’s game, so there’s a huge disconnect.

 

[oaken1]

I disagree with this. We have a guy who plays and gets attention over the middle—his name is Trey McBride.

Harrison got good looks as a traditional X receiver like his dad. Brissett is willing to throw the ball down the field and its opening up things for the entire wideout corps.

Marv can run good and precise routes; he’s looked slow or lazy because he’s been trying to execute the Kyler Vibes Offense. That’s not his or Wilson’s game, so there’s a huge disconnect.

Right. Wilson's strength out of college was strong routes just like marv.
A solid QB that consistently throws on time makes them both about 30% better right away.

Made no sense to draft precision wide outs with a QB that cannot execute a rhythm passing game.
Needed sandlot WRs for kyler

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I golfed with former OSU and Jets WR Devier Posey yesterday and we were taking about Marvin. Posey is very close to the program and does a radio show on game days.

It's baffling that he's struggled. Garrett Wilson, Terry NcLaurin, Chris Olave, Jaxon Smith-Njigna, Harrison, Egbuka all played in the same system and same coaching.
They've all thrived in the NFL and out of that group, Marvin was the best at about everything. In private Trey would all agree Harrison was #1. He wasn't called a game changing talent for no reason.

Hell, Egbuka was never the #1 on any of his teams in college and he's probably going to be OROY.

We came to the conclusion that it's the Cardinals scheme and QB play. That's an easy out but Harrison didn't forget how to play.
He's definitely had his bad moments, too many of them, but it makes no sense that out of all those WRs that he is struggling so much. Especially compared to the production of the others.

As for his speed, Olave is the only one who could beat him.

One thing that could be an issue is he suffered that concussion in the Georgia Peach Bowl game and has now had a concussion in his first 2 years. Maybe I'm grasping at straws but it makes no sense that he hasn't been more productive.

 

[Russ Smith]

I golfed with former OSU and Jets WR Devier Posey yesterday and we were taking about Marvin. Posey is very close to the program and does a radio show on game days.

It's baffling that he's struggled. Garrett Wilson, Terry NcLaurin, Chris Olave, Jaxon Smith-Njigna, Harrison, Egbuka all played in the same system and same coaching.
They've all thrived in the NFL and out of that group, Marvin was the best at about everything. In private Trey would all agree Harrison was #1. He wasn't called a game changing talent for no reason.

Hell, Egbuka was never the #1 on any of his teams in college and he's probably going to be OROY.

We came to the conclusion that it's the Cardinals scheme and QB play. That's an easy out but Harrison didn't forget how to play.
He's definitely had his bad moments, too many of them, but it makes no sense that out of all those WRs that he is struggling so much. Especially compared to the production of the others.

As for his speed, Olave is the only one who could beat him.

One thing that could be an issue is he suffered that concussion in the Georgia Peach Bowl game and has now had a concussion in his first 2 years. Maybe I'm grasping at straws but it makes no sense that he hasn't been more productive.

So his fear of going over the middle is the Cards fault or because of the concussions? Because he's CLEARLY afraid to go over the middle had the INT where he dropped the ball right into the defenders hands and then I think it was last game he alligator armed one because he thought he was going to get hit.

Scheme sucks, Kyler has sucked, but Marv has sucked too and lots of it has been on him.

I also don't think he was 100% the last game I pointed it out in the game thread he fell down twice in the first quarter untouched, just coming off the LOS to run his route he fell down. I think he was probably still a bit woozy.

 

[Shane]

One thing that could be an issue is he suffered that concussion in the Georgia Peach Bowl game and has now had a concussion in his first 2 years. Maybe I'm grasping at straws but it makes no sense that he hasn't been more productive.

I didnt know of the one in college. Thats not good. Thats 3 now in the last 2.5 years. Not a good trend.