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Last Minute Heroics:

What the Cardinals have proven in their two wins versus the Colts (away) and 49ers (home) is that they can overcome a myriad of mistakes in all three phases of the game and still win with last minute heroics.

In the Cardinals' two losses against the Lions (away) and the Cowboys (home) the Cardinals proved that they cannot make a myriad of errors in all three phases of the game versus playoff caliber and keep the games close enough to win.

At 2-2, the Cardinals amazingly find themselves 1 game behind the top record teams in the NFC, although their 1-2 record right now versus NFC teams would push them down the ladder with NFC teams they are tied with.

Disturbing Patterns that Go Back to the Seattle Whooping at Home in Week 17 of 2015 and the Carolina Debacle in the NFC Championship Game of 2015:

* Offensive drives stalling left and right due to penalties, costly turnovers and red zone miscues.
* Slow starts.
* 3-4 poor decisions by Carson Palmer a game, sometimes with him panicking and throwing the ball right to the other team.
* Poor pass protection.
* No added help by TEs, slot WRs and RBs to chip DEs.
* Predictable snap counts.
* Poor adjustments at half-time.

* Defense disorganized and late getting set up before the snap.
* Defense readily losing contain virtually on every bootleg, waggle and misdirection play.
* Defense not covering TEs, WRs and RBs on bootlegs.
* Defense not blowing up screen passes and sniffing them out.
* Defensive line not getting inside push, nor getting their hands up into the passing lanes.
* Defense: sloppy tackling, slow to shed blocks.

* Special teams being outperformed each week.
* No pressure on other team's punter and kicker.
* Missed FGs, XPTs and rushed punts.
* Slow, sloppy coverage on punt and kickoff teams.
* Poor blocking on punt and kickoff teams.

* Coaching: poor half-time adjustments.
* Coaching: wasted timeouts that come back to haunt the team.
* Coaching: throwing challenge flags on obvious calls.
* Coaching: constantly f bombing the refs.

Apply these pattern to yesterday's 49ers' game.

* Great first drive ruined by a rookie-esque panic throw from a veteran QB which set the tone for the rest of the game.
* Only 6 first half points.
* QB gets hit 17 times and is sacked 5 times.
* Little to no added help to OL from coaches as RBs, TEs and slot WRs all go right into their routes on the snap.
* Three times in a row late in the game on 3rd and 3 situations, Palmer gives no hard count and thus the 49ers' pass rush a head start, which led to 2 sacks and throw short of the sticks. There was even a quarter break on the first one where the offense could have been alerted on the sidelines.
* 96% of the snaps went on first hut.
* After half-time the 49ers get the ball and march down the field. They were the team fired up, not the Cardinals. Fortunately they got their TD called back on an illegal pick, but they took at 9-6 lead. In fact, the 49ers never trailed in regulation.
* On one key 4th down and short with the 49ers going for it, d-line was late setting up and gave the 49ers an easy 1st down right up the middle.
* Defense gave up contain to Hoyer all afternoon, never defended it or put pressure on him once, nor did the LBers and DBs pick up the coverage soon enough.
* Special Teams outperformed again. The 49ers P Pinion flipped the field every time for well back...and averaged 50 yards a punt. Not only that, the Cardinals get their typical 3.0 punt return average and that was on the rare times they didn't get flagged for holding. Punting from inside their 20 yard line led to the Cardinals getting the ball back inside their own 20 yard line. That's the epitome of flipping the field.
* P Andy Lee was mostly good but he got pressured into a short punt in a situation where he could have pinned the ball inside the 10 and the punt coverage team gave up an average 10 yards a punt return to rookie Travis Taylor.
* Again, little to no half-time adjustments from Cardinals' coaches.
* Again, another wasted timeout in the 3rd quarter on offense right before the 3rd quarter break, only for an ensuing 2nd down running play that got stuffed at the line of scrimmage.
* BA had a couple good reasons to bark at the refs...still can't figure out how the Ellington TD was over-turned. Even Mike Pereirra was convinced it was a TD. The TD to John Brown looked legit as well. Still, one has to wonder if all the barking at the refs continues to work against the Cardinals.

YET...despite this LITANY of errors...Carson Palmer, the makeshift offensive line and a quartet of eager and thirsty WRs...pulled the proverbial rabbit out of the hat just when it appeared the rabbit had fallen into the deepest and darkest rabbit warren.

The much embattled Carson Palmer somehow some way managed to turn a 60 minute Jackson Pollack splatter canvas into a 3 minute Rembrandt when he threw the picture perfect game winning pass to G.O.A.T. Cardinals' WR Larry Fitzgerald!

Kudos to the defense for giving up 5 FGs instead of the 5 TDs the Rams allowed to the 49ers. The defense bended a lot in this game, but, in the end, they dd not break like they dd against the Cowboys on MNF.

What's Next?

Was curious to hear during BA's post-game presser that he told the team all week that the game was going to come down to the wire and that the team needed to build on whatever ways they could find to pull the game out.

What do you make of that strategy on BA's part?

On the one hand, what did it say to his team that he thought they wouldn't be able to put away the 0-3 49ers at home?

On the other hand, was it a smart move to prepare the team mentally for a tight game and what it could mean going forward to pull it out?

The answer to this question will be what happens in Philly this week. BA said he made that forecast because he believed the team needed to build on whatever it was that would get them the win.

Keim Time Trade?

At 2-2 the Cardinals find themselves, unlike last year, very much in the thick of the NFC West championship race and the NFC playoff hunt.

Could much needed offensive line and quite possibly pass rushing (the ACL injury to Markus Golden) help be on the way?

If Keim's off-season moves are an indication of where Keim's focus is, he will not mortgage any aspect of the future to help with the present. And if so, what does this continue to suggest about Keim's view of the team's present chances?

Offense:

* It would be very timely to get T D.J. Humphries back this week and slide John Wetzel down to LG. Word is that G Alex Boone is farther along in his rehab than expected. That should be big to get him back, especially now that Mike Iupati is on the IR.
* Would Daniel Munyer be a better option at G versus Philly than Will Holden? With Holden struggling in pass pro, Carson Palmer was loath to step up in the pocket (even at times when he could), which made things all the more challenging for the tackles, as Palmer stayed pretty much transfixed on the deep back arc of the pocket.
* Can Evan Boehm bounce back from his worst game as a Cardinal, like Veldheer did versus the 49ers?
* Can John Brown play again this week? His presence was a big lift.
* How can Fitz be targeted so much versus the Cowboys and so little versus the 49ers? Does Palmer pay too much attention to the Browns and Nelson?
* Why does BA sub in Penny in the red zone when Ellington is killing it in the passing and sprint draw game and Chris Johnson is already running hard between the tackles? Nothing against Penny, but why make changes when the top 2 players are playing well?
* Will the Cardinals get any consistency out of their TEs this year? What a woeful unit.

Defense:

* Good to see the interior defensive linemen show up stronger versus the 49ers (Peters, Gunter, Pierre and Williams in particular). Can they build on this performance?
* Why has Markus Golden been crashing down and losing contain so much? Is he coached to do that? Why has he been missing so many tackles? Who takes his place? Kareem Martin can set the edge, but he's not very athletic. With Deone Bucannon back, can the coaches switch Reddick over to SAM OLB? It would be superb to make the defense faster and more athletic.
* Kudos to Tyvon Branch for his stellar play. He has the Caridnals' only "elite" PFF player grade for the season (91.8) thus far. The next highest PFF player grade on the whole team are Corey Peters at 81.4 and Chandler Jones at 80.1. On offense, the top 3 are Larry Fitzgerald (78.9), Jaron Brown (75.3) and John Brown (74.4), Carson Palmer is at 74.1.
* While he had his fair share of struggles at times, again Tyrann Mathieu seems to be getting stronger as the game goes along. Will his return to Philly be an inspirational one?
* Man, Karlos Dansby came so close to swiping his 20th interception. Could this be the week?
* Is Budda Baker at FS going to happen sooner rather than later? Good to see him and Bethel sniff out the 49ers' deep pass attempt to Robinson late in the game.

Special Teams:

* Great to see Phil Dawson return to form. Those pressure packed kicks were clutch. Will be build on this?
* Is Patrick Peterson really all that interested in returning punts? What a boost that could be if he was.
* What about D.J. Foster as a punt returner?
 
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This team could legitimately be 4-0...and legitimately be 0-4. This is going to be all season long. Here's my analysis so fer:

In the 2 losses, the team failed to capitalize on opportunities to take control of the game early, falter as the game went on, and was out of gas by the end of the game.

In the 2 wins, the team struggled mightily against bad teams and ended up having to beat those 2 bad teams by having to tie the game late and winning it in overtime.

The defensive conditioning is suspect. 4 games in a row where the defense has looked good all game long only to look completely out of gas at the end. Yesterday in overtime they looked like they were moving at half speed nearly allowing the inept 49er offense to march right down field.

Statistically speaking, the offense is gaining yards(2nd in passing yards) but dead last in rushing and red zone offense is abysmal. Missing FG's doesn't help matters much although Dawson was on point yesterday.

This offensive line is so bad it has me wishing we still had Levi Brown and Brandon Keith because this current line couldn't stop a Pop Warner team.

We still lack a pass rush and Jones was invisible yesterday. IIRC this was the knock on him in NE.

Coaching decisions lead one to wonder if BA has early onset Alzheimer's.

Penalty wise, at some point you have to stop blaming the officials and question your own team discipline.

In short, as Mitch said, this team completely blew it's wad in the regular season GB game in 2015 because that was the last time we say the dominant Cardinal team we loved that year.
 

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Red zone failures have carried over from last season—what were they working on all year?
 
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Red zone failures have carried over from last season—what were they working on all year?

Giving the ball 3 out of every 4 plays to David Johnson, or so it would seem.

Funny though, one would never have thought the Cardinals' offensive line was all that amped to block for Johnson, seeing as they have individually and collectively underachieved in all aspects of offensive line play.
 

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it was a hard game, and many thought it would be a hard game, the 49ers are searching for the first win, and they want to win badly, Hoyer put 39 points on the rams, he is getting better and better any game and we stoped them, even if we have to admit that our D should have been better. But okay, they didn't let them score that TD. Next week the 49ers will win against the luckless Colts. Briskett is on tape now and Ds can stop him easy.

We got robbed by 2 TD and if you have to throw 3 TD to get 1 counted ... that can be hard day. At the other hand, if CP throws a TD in the first drive, the game would have been totally different. But I think you are right, BA's antic and swearing and f-bombing the refs will haunt us as long as he is our HC and maybe, if the next HC isn't a nice guy, that will haunt as for years.

The Alzheimer Question is, somehow legit. The timemanagement and the playcalling are very very suspect.

The funny thing is, if we win at philly and Rams and Seahawks play each other as hard as every year, this years NFC West division is probably a very .500 division. And we might be somehow be still in the race mid of november early december.

The London game, is maybe even a plus for us, who knows, there is no home advantage, and they always and up to be strange games ... everything can happen there.

The Cowboys did get the short week blues ... and it was visibile from my point of view, so Rams were somehow lucky, at the end of the game you could see the Cowboys were out of gas. That wasn't against the Cards.

Keim will do nothing, or better said, nothing that costs him more than a 6th or 7th rounder, so which G or OLB is given away by that? probably none. So nothing will happen.

This team is willing to fight till the end, that is something we know now. If they can eliminate the O-line struggle and limit the bad coaching to a minimum, we have a legit shot at the NFC-West crown, even if it will be "one of the worst ..." again.

But can BA keep himself and his coaches accountable? Till now he didn't. And at some point we may see the team quit on him, because you can't keep accountable the players but not the coaches. Bad ST coaching is bad ST coaching. Bad playcalls, are bad playcalls. Getting his QB slaughtered behind an O-line with 3 Backups without help, is very questionable. Playing soft zone with man to man personel is very questionable. But I think, we already see that "accountability" problem, we didn't get that much of penalties in the first 3 years.
 

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it was a hard game, and many thought it would be a hard game, the 49ers are searching for the first win, and they want to win badly, Hoyer put 39 points on the rams, he is getting better and better any game and we stoped them, even if we have to admit that our D should have been better. But okay, they didn't let them score that TD. Next week the 49ers will win against the luckless Colts. Briskett is on tape now and Ds can stop him easy.

We got robbed by 2 TD and if you have to throw 3 TD to get 1 counted ... that can be hard day. At the other hand, if CP throws a TD in the first drive, the game would have been totally different. But I think you are right, BA's antic and swearing and f-bombing the refs will haunt us as long as he is our HC and maybe, if the next HC isn't a nice guy, that will haunt as for years.

The Alzheimer Question is, somehow legit. The timemanagement and the playcalling are very very suspect.

The funny thing is, if we win at philly and Rams and Seahawks play each other as hard as every year, this years NFC West division is probably a very .500 division. And we might be somehow be still in the race mid of november early december.

The London game, is maybe even a plus for us, who knows, there is no home advantage, and they always and up to be strange games ... everything can happen there.

The Cowboys did get the short week blues ... and it was visibile from my point of view, so Rams were somehow lucky, at the end of the game you could see the Cowboys were out of gas. That wasn't against the Cards.

Keim will do nothing, or better said, nothing that costs him more than a 6th or 7th rounder, so which G or OLB is given away by that? probably none. So nothing will happen.

This team is willing to fight till the end, that is something we know now. If they can eliminate the O-line struggle and limit the bad coaching to a minimum, we have a legit shot at the NFC-West crown, even if it will be "one of the worst ..." again.

But can BA keep himself and his coaches accountable? Till now he didn't. And at some point we may see the team quit on him, because you can't keep accountable the players but not the coaches. Bad ST coaching is bad ST coaching. Bad playcalls, are bad playcalls. Getting his QB slaughtered behind an O-line with 3 Backups without help, is very questionable. Playing soft zone with man to man personel is very questionable. But I think, we already see that "accountability" problem, we didn't get that much of penalties in the first 3 years.

So far these have all been one sided games. The question is which team will the Cardinals be?
 
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it was a hard game, and many thought it would be a hard game, the 49ers are searching for the first win, and they want to win badly, Hoyer put 39 points on the rams, he is getting better and better any game and we stoped them, even if we have to admit that our D should have been better. But okay, they didn't let them score that TD. Next week the 49ers will win against the luckless Colts. Briskett is on tape now and Ds can stop him easy.

We got robbed by 2 TD and if you have to throw 3 TD to get 1 counted ... that can be hard day. At the other hand, if CP throws a TD in the first drive, the game would have been totally different. But I think you are right, BA's antic and swearing and f-bombing the refs will haunt us as long as he is our HC and maybe, if the next HC isn't a nice guy, that will haunt as for years.

The Alzheimer Question is, somehow legit. The timemanagement and the playcalling are very very suspect.

The funny thing is, if we win at philly and Rams and Seahawks play each other as hard as every year, this years NFC West division is probably a very .500 division. And we might be somehow be still in the race mid of november early december.

The London game, is maybe even a plus for us, who knows, there is no home advantage, and they always and up to be strange games ... everything can happen there.

The Cowboys did get the short week blues ... and it was visibile from my point of view, so Rams were somehow lucky, at the end of the game you could see the Cowboys were out of gas. That wasn't against the Cards.

Keim will do nothing, or better said, nothing that costs him more than a 6th or 7th rounder, so which G or OLB is given away by that? probably none. So nothing will happen.

This team is willing to fight till the end, that is something we know now. If they can eliminate the O-line struggle and limit the bad coaching to a minimum, we have a legit shot at the NFC-West crown, even if it will be "one of the worst ..." again.

But can BA keep himself and his coaches accountable? Till now he didn't. And at some point we may see the team quit on him, because you can't keep accountable the players but not the coaches. Bad ST coaching is bad ST coaching. Bad playcalls, are bad playcalls. Getting his QB slaughtered behind an O-line with 3 Backups without help, is very questionable. Playing soft zone with man to man personel is very questionable. But I think, we already see that "accountability" problem, we didn't get that much of penalties in the first 3 years.

Excellent post.

For the record the Alzheimer question was never raised by me.

BA is either too lazy to want to adjust his plays or he's too naive to think that offensive lines can handle little to no help against good defenses and thereby so can a QB who is getting hit 15 times a game. It's reckless football, plain and simple.

The Rams did two things the Cardinals didn't: they ran the ball with purpose and execution and they CHIPPED DeMarcus Lawrence and nearly knocked him out of the game. This is what good teams do: they prepare for the opponent.
 

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So that's your contribution to this post?

"What's Next?

Was curious to hear during BA's post-game presser that he told the team all week that the game was going to come down to the wire and that the team needed to build on whatever ways they could find to pull the game out.

What do you make of that strategy on BA's part?

On the one hand, what did it say to his team that he thought they wouldn't be able to put away the 0-3 49ers at home?

On the other hand, was it a smart move to prepare the team mentally for a tight game and what it could mean going forward to pull it out?

The answer to this question will be what happens in Philly this week. BA said he made that forecast because he believed the team needed to build on whatever it was that would get them the win."

Do you really believe mentioning what a coach says to the public is content for critical analysis, I do not. I sincerely believe when Arian's goes home he is ticked off that they did not win more convincingly as you would or anyone else but he says what he does as all coaches with an agenda in my opinion
 
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Do you really believe mentioning what a coach says to the public is content for critical analysis, I do not. I sincerely believe when Arian's goes home he is ticked off that they did not win more convincingly as you would or anyone else but he says what he does as all coaches with an agenda in my opinion[/QUOTE]

Yes, I believe he told the team during the week that the game would go down to the wire and that if they could pull it out, they could build on it.

It's a curious strategy, imo. Which I explained and outlined.

I'm not sure how I feel about it and was wondering what you and others felt.
 

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Do you really believe mentioning what a coach says to the public is content for critical analysis, I do not. I sincerely believe when Arian's goes home he is ticked off that they did not win more convincingly as you would or anyone else but he says what he does as all coaches with an agenda in my opinion

Yes, I believe he told the team during the week that the game would go down to the wire and that if they could pull it out, they could build on it.

It's a curious strategy, imo. Which I explained and outlined.

I'm not sure how I feel about it and was wondering what you and others felt.[/QUOTE]

We both know this, and so does Arians, our OL is atrocious, so maybe that gremlin affects the thought process. We cannot lay blame on our team for what the Rams can and cannot do on offense because their OL is better than ours and they have an average OL and Gurley. We are having problems because our OL sucks and there seems to be no foundation of consistency. If Palmer would not have been getting pummeled against Dallas, the running game would not have mattered because he would have shred that young Dallas secondary to tiny pieces. My belief was the biggest blunder this team made was when they let Massie go and not Jefferson or Swearinger on defense. For once we had a respectable line in place and should not have enacted cap space antics on fixing something which for the most part was working well enough to allow this offense to function
 

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I am surprised Arians still puts Peterson back as a punt returner from time to time. I think Peterson has demonstrated that he doesn't like the contact that punt returners endure and looks for a fair catch or some other way to avoid being hit.
 

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it was a hard game, and many thought it would be a hard game, the 49ers are searching for the first win, and they want to win badly, Hoyer put 39 points on the rams, he is getting better and better any game and we stoped them, even if we have to admit that our D should have been better. But okay, they didn't let them score that TD. Next week the 49ers will win against the luckless Colts. Briskett is on tape now and Ds can stop him easy.

We got robbed by 2 TD and if you have to throw 3 TD to get 1 counted ... that can be hard day. At the other hand, if CP throws a TD in the first drive, the game would have been totally different. But I think you are right, BA's antic and swearing and f-bombing the refs will haunt us as long as he is our HC and maybe, if the next HC isn't a nice guy, that will haunt as for years.

The Alzheimer Question is, somehow legit. The timemanagement and the playcalling are very very suspect.

The funny thing is, if we win at philly and Rams and Seahawks play each other as hard as every year, this years NFC West division is probably a very .500 division. And we might be somehow be still in the race mid of november early december.

The London game, is maybe even a plus for us, who knows, there is no home advantage, and they always and up to be strange games ... everything can happen there.

The Cowboys did get the short week blues ... and it was visibile from my point of view, so Rams were somehow lucky, at the end of the game you could see the Cowboys were out of gas. That wasn't against the Cards.

Keim will do nothing, or better said, nothing that costs him more than a 6th or 7th rounder, so which G or OLB is given away by that? probably none. So nothing will happen.

This team is willing to fight till the end, that is something we know now. If they can eliminate the O-line struggle and limit the bad coaching to a minimum, we have a legit shot at the NFC-West crown, even if it will be "one of the worst ..." again.

But can BA keep himself and his coaches accountable? Till now he didn't. And at some point we may see the team quit on him, because you can't keep accountable the players but not the coaches. Bad ST coaching is bad ST coaching. Bad playcalls, are bad playcalls. Getting his QB slaughtered behind an O-line with 3 Backups without help, is very questionable. Playing soft zone with man to man personel is very questionable. But I think, we already see that "accountability" problem, we didn't get that much of penalties in the first 3 years.
My only disagreement is with your comment that Hoyer "is getting better and better any game." We were lucky he was the QB.
 

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One thing that didn't occur Sunday was having the defensive backs give up chunk plays because they dropped coverage while peeking in the backfield. That may have been because of Hoyer's lack of mobility.
 

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I guess PP has instructions to fair catch unless half the other team falls down in coverage and he has 30 yards of open field in front of him.


we beat two of the very worst teams in the nfl....barely.


coach speak...... take yourself back...week 17 2015,..we had just been destroyed by the hags..on the field after the game BA tells an interviewer, "we were not trying to win the game"... Fitz walking by behind him gives BA the worst "WTF are you saying" look I have ever seen.. this team has not been the same since. IMO, BA lost the team right there..... all week BA was saying, "we are not going to sit any of our starters, we play every game to win"
BA says whatever he has to when speaking to the public in order to get away without having to answer any hard questions... coach speak


Palmer is infatuated with our "speedy" undersized WR's.... he only starts looking for Larry when the game is on the line,...when we really need a catch. He has been this way ever since JB joined the team. Even at times throwing to JB when he is tightly double covered by taller DB's. I dont know if this is due to him being told to look for these guys more or what. Our WR coaching is suspect IMO as well. why do we reportedly have a couple of the fastest guys in the nfl yet somehow they spend the entire game with DB's draped on their backs? If these guys are so fast why are they not running a crisp route and suddenly running free behind the defense?? I see other teams get this advantage with guys who are apparently slower...what gives?

what's next? More poorly prepared mediocre football with just enough to make fans think there is a chance. S.O.C.
 

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Hate to say it, but it sure seems BA's time as a NFL coach may have come and gone...just that quickly! He is far too stubborn and incapable of making in-game adjustments. This team, be it due to injuries and/or just lack of top-tier talent in key positions (O-Line, D-Line, WR, TE, RB, CBOPP...), needs a coach who is far more contemporary and willing to adjust on the fly just to have even the slightest chance at 8 wins this season.
That said, by far and it's not even close, the biggest issue with the team is the o-line. It's pointless IMHO to address the plethora of other legitimate shortcomings with this team, as success for this team landed squarely on the shoulders of Carson Palmer the minute DJ went down. Therefore, since we essentially don't have an o-line, and therefore, no run game and no ability to protect the guy who is most essential to the teams' success, talking about anything else other than the o-line is pointless. Yes, BA and his staff are routinely being outcoached each game now. Yes, CJ2K is a farce and wouldn't be on any other roster in the NFL. Yes, Josh Mauro and Rodney Gunter have been invisible thus far this season (Gunter seemed to slightly improve yesterday). Yes, we continue to have a hole at TE. Yes, Bethel is far more bad than good. And yes, Badger isn't the Badger and that really super-sucks...
But, it's the o-line. It all begins and ends with the o-line. And since we don't have an o-line, I suggest we all take a deep breath, close our eyes and accept the reality that stares us in the face each week...That is - this is a bad team. Bad coaching. Bad players. I've said this before, but I see 6 wins this season, max. :(
 

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Hate to say it, but it sure seems BA's time as a NFL coach may have come and gone...just that quickly! He is far too stubborn and incapable of making in-game adjustments. This team, be it due to injuries and/or just lack of top-tier talent in key positions (O-Line, D-Line, WR, TE, RB, CBOPP...), needs a coach who is far more contemporary and willing to adjust on the fly just to have even the slightest chance at 8 wins this season.
That said, by far and it's not even close, the biggest issue with the team is the o-line. It's pointless IMHO to address the plethora of other legitimate shortcomings with this team, as success for this team landed squarely on the shoulders of Carson Palmer the minute DJ went down. Therefore, since we essentially don't have an o-line, and therefore, no run game and no ability to protect the guy who is most essential to the teams' success, talking about anything else other than the o-line is pointless. Yes, BA and his staff are routinely being outcoached each game now. Yes, CJ2K is a farce and wouldn't be on any other roster in the NFL. Yes, Josh Mauro and Rodney Gunter have been invisible thus far this season (Gunter seemed to slightly improve yesterday). Yes, we continue to have a hole at TE. Yes, Bethel is far more bad than good. And yes, Badger isn't the Badger and that really super-sucks...
But, it's the o-line. It all begins and ends with the o-line. And since we don't have an o-line, I suggest we all take a deep breath, close our eyes and accept the reality that stares us in the face each week...That is - this is a bad team. Bad coaching. Bad players. I've said this before, but I see 6 wins this season, max. :(

we have talent on the oline... they have regressed,...bad coaching

we dont need to blow up the line and start over
 

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we have talent on the oline... they have regressed,...bad coaching

we dont need to blow up the line and start over

I wasn't suggesting to blow it up... However, I wouldn't mind seeing Shipley and Iupati wearing other colors... ;)
 

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I wasn't suggesting to blow it up... However, I wouldn't mind seeing Shipley and Iupati wearing other colors... ;)
Iupati should be cut.... helluva a run blocker at times but always a liability in the passing game... would have rather kept sendlein than aq,..and I was not a lyle fan at all.
but all the guys we bitch about we have also seen play relatively well at times...IMHO our coaching staff has lost the team from the top down,..something... virtually nobody on our squad plays up to their talent level....something is rotten in the nest
 

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Iupati should be cut.... helluva a run blocker at times but always a liability in the passing game... would have rather kept sendlein than aq,..and I was not a lyle fan at all.
but all the guys we bitch about we have also seen play relatively well at times...IMHO our coaching staff has lost the team from the top down,..something... virtually nobody on our squad plays up to their talent level....something is rotten in the nest

Totally agree Chuck...
 

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So the 9ers put a ton of points of the Rams but we hold them to 15 pts and yet Betcher sucks?

The team fights and fights and gets a Win against a divisional opponent but BA has lost the team? He has been awarded coach of the year TWICE and he can't call a game or.....? He as SB rings but ...... ?

None of our coaches can coach and are in fact so bad that the players are regressing?

Palmer at times makes knucklehead decisions (every NFL QB does) so he sucks? There are a handful of QB's that take the pounding that he has and has the fortitude and will to win that he displayed against the 9ers (most recent example).

The biggest issue with the team is the Oline. Injuries, Veldheer's muscle memory and the lack of playing time as a unit because of all the injuries. The Oline gets healthy and gets some reps together and this team can make the playoffs.
 

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The much embattled Carson Palmer somehow some way managed to turn a 60 minute Jackson Pollack splatter canvas into a 3 minute Rembrandt when he threw the picture perfect game winning pass to G.O.A.T. Cardinals' WR Larry Fitzgerald!

Kudos to the defense for giving up 5 FGs instead of the 5 TDs the Rams allowed to the 49ers. The defense bended a lot in this game, but, in the end, they dd not break like they dd against the Cowboys on MNF.




Defense:

* Good to see the interior defensive linemen show up stronger versus the 49ers (Peters, Gunter, Pierre and Williams in particular). Can they build on this performance?

Good write up Mitch. This team is patch work and it shows on offense. The D is holding it together. These two things are what you can take away in this game. It buys the team time. A miracle in Philly would do wonders.
 
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