Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)

[Cheesebeef]

looks like Solo is going to be down a whopping 70% in weekend 2 and might crawl to 200 million. Which is a disaster for a movie that cost 250-300 million due to all the reshoots.

Really wonder if they make another or if they're planned Solo trilogy died on the vine.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

looks like Solo is going to be down a whopping 70% in weekend 2 and might crawl to 200 million. Which is a disaster for a movie that cost 250-300 million due to all the reshoots.

Really wonder if they make another or if they're planned Solo trilogy died on the vine.

They might be reaching saturation. This is first Star Wars flick I haven’t seen opening weekend and going to see first time with my kids instead of my grownup Star Wars fans (who didn’t even organize for this one) first.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

They might be reaching saturation. This is first Star Wars flick I haven’t seen opening weekend and going to see first time with my kids instead of my grownup Star Wars fans (who didn’t even organize for this one) first.

It's not necessarily saturation. They just made a movie that the majority of the die-hard fans felt did not need to be made or had to be a home run if it was made...then there were casting questions, directors fired and replaced, acting lessons for the struggling lead actor, and plenty of re-shoots. Just not a smooth process at all. Many of the critics have basically said "It's okay. Didn't need to be made, but it's okay." Solid stuff. LOL

 

[Cheesebeef]

They might be reaching saturation. This is first Star Wars flick I haven’t seen opening weekend and going to see first time with my kids instead of my grownup Star Wars fans (who didn’t even organize for this one) first.

making a Han Solo movie... probably one of the top three most beloved/biggest action/sci fi characters EVER... without Han Solo just never seemed like a really smart decision.

And Disney should take note of that when they throw 200 million bucks at their eventual reboot of Indiana Jones, who's the second of that trio.

Those guys aren't James Bond. They're not replaceable because with Bond, they had 8 years or so for each character and it took them a while for people to really even buy into Roger Moore. Han was a beloved established character for 40 YEARS. Thinking you could recast him was a blunder you could see coming from a mile away.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Okay I enjoyed it. Not a great Star Wars but entertaining.

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biggest gripe is that they make him too much of a good guy already. He needed to be more selfish still. THIS Han Solo can’t possibly lead to the sarcastic semi-asshat Solo we meet in the Cantina on Tatooine. He’s have to regress too much.

That said I did enjoy chewy immensely. And circling back to my comments on subtitles . . . interesting that they still had no subtitles for the actual Wookies but they DID have subtitles when Han was speaking wookie to chewy!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Okay I enjoyed it. Not a great Star Wars but entertaining.

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biggest gripe is that they make him too much of a good guy already. He needed to be more selfish still. THIS Han Solo can’t possibly lead to the sarcastic semi-asshat Solo we meet in the Cantina on Tatooine. He’s have to regress too much.

That said I did enjoy chewy immensely. And circling back to my comments on subtitles . . . interesting that they still had no subtitles for the actual Wookies but they DID have subtitles when Han was speaking wookie to chewy!

my guess is the plan was ultimately going to be to have his girl completely betray him by the end of their planned trilogy... build him up in the first couple movies, then tear him down right at the end of the trilogy leading us to the rogue we all know and love in Star Wars. Kinda using her the same way Vesper betrayed Bond at the end of Casino Royale to turn him into the cold-blooded/womanizing son of a bitch he needed to be moving forward.

 

[Chaplin]

my guess is the plan was ultimately going to be to have his girl completely betray him by the end of their planned trilogy... build him up in the first couple movies, then tear him down right at the end of the trilogy leading us to the rogue we all know and love in Star Wars. Kinda using her the same way Vesper betrayed Bond at the end of Casino Royale to turn him into the cold-blooded/womanizing son of a bitch he needed to be moving forward.

My thoughts as well. He's more charming than rogue in this one, but I feel like, for good or bad, we need a sequel to round out this story. It will feel unfinished if this is all there's to it.

 

[WaywardFan]

I thought him speaking Wookiee was cheesy. He'd never done that before. Doesn't mean he couldn't still speak or just understand Chewie.

The woman who played Enfys Nest was jaw-dropping.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My thoughts as well. He's more charming than rogue in this one, but I feel like, for good or bad, we need a sequel to round out this story. It will feel unfinished if this is all there's to it.

Unless they make the next one for 50 million bucks, I'm guessing there won't be a next one... and there shouldn't be. Sequels used to be reserved for movies that people LOVED and were dying to see the same group back at it again. Now, it just feels like sequels for sequels sake (see Pacific Rim 2 for proof of that) whether the first movie was good or not.

 

[Chaplin]

Unless they make the next one for 50 million bucks, I'm guessing there won't be a next one... and there shouldn't be. Sequels used to be reserved for movies that people LOVED and were dying to see the same group back at it again. Now, it just feels like sequels for sequels sake (see Pacific Rim 2 for proof of that) whether the first movie was good or not.

True but the big difference between this movie and Pacific Rim is that there was no cliffhanger at the end of Pacific Rim that would necessitate a sequel.

 

[Cheesebeef]

True but the big difference between this movie and Pacific Rim is that there was no cliffhanger at the end of Pacific Rim that would necessitate a sequel.

eh... don't care.

and was there really that much of a cliffhanger? Or just some incredibly lame/desperate cameo tacked on at the end in the hopes this movie was actually good enough to make enough money to warrant a second one?

 

[Stout]

Unless they make the next one for 50 million bucks, I'm guessing there won't be a next one... and there shouldn't be. Sequels used to be reserved for movies that people LOVED and were dying to see the same group back at it again. Now, it just feels like sequels for sequels sake (see Pacific Rim 2 for proof of that) whether the first movie was good or not.

Yes, and this adds into my not wanting to see it--not just because it sounds like this one isn't worth it for me, but also...

My thoughts as well. He's more charming than rogue in this one, but I feel like, for good or bad, we need a sequel to round out this story. It will feel unfinished if this is all there's to it.

...because a lot of folks (here included) are verifying my biggest criticism of the making of this movie. He ended up not an a-hole me-first bloodthirsty rogue at the end, which isn't the Han Solo we begin ANH with. And that just doesn't work.

 

[Chaplin]

eh... don't care.

and was there really that much of a cliffhanger? Or just some incredibly lame/desperate cameo tacked on at the end in the hopes this movie was actually good enough to make enough money to warrant a second one?

I thought it was pretty in-your-face about a sequel. The appearance of <redacted> at the end all but cemented it.

 

[devilalum]

There’s nothing to hate in this movie because everything played out exactly the way anyone expected. No risk, no fuss, but no reward, IMO.

When do prequels ever have any risk or reward?

You know 4/5 if the plot walking in.


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[Covert Rain]

I have to admit, even though I thought the movie was fun but unnecessary I will for some reason be annoyed if there is no sequel the way they left it.

Mainly for one reason. DM was one of my favorite characters and I want to see more of him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When do prequels ever have any risk or reward?

You know 4/5 if the plot walking in.


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Everyone dies in Rogue One.

James Bond became a cold-hearted son of a bitch after Vesper betrayed him in Casino Royale.

Pretty much everything in the Rise, Dawn and the War for the Planet Of The Apes.

Every single one of those movies were GREAT (or at least very good), even though you ultimately knew where they were going because the journey WASN'T what you expected.

This movie was EXACTLY what everyone expected... Han meets Chewie! Han meets Lando! Han makes the Kessel run in 12 parsecs! Han wins the Falcon off Lando in a card game! It was the movie equivalent of paint by numbers and that's why I fell asleep in it 4 times.

 

[Covert Rain]

Everyone dies in Rogue One.

James Bond became a cold-hearted son of a bitch after Vesper betrayed him in Casino Royale.

Pretty much everything in the Rise, Dawn and the War for the Planet Of The Apes.

Every single one of those movies were GREAT (or at least very good), even though you ultimately knew where they were going because the journey WASN'T what you expected.

This movie was EXACTLY what everyone expected... Han meets Chewie! Han meets Lando! Han makes the Kessel run in 12 parsecs! Han wins the Falcon off Lando in a card game! It was the movie equivalent of paint by numbers and that's why I fell asleep in it 4 times.

OK but were you that surprised every dies in Rogue One? I expected that. Most people called that before the movie came out because you hear about ZERO of those characters in the subsequent chapters.

I don’t think you get much credit for that....at all.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK but were you that surprised every dies in Rogue One? I expected that. Most people called that before the movie came out because you hear about ZERO of those characters in the subsequent chapters.

I don’t think you get much credit for that....at all.

in a Disney movie... yeah, watching your heroes in essence watch an atomic bomb come to obliterate them was surprising.

And you "expected that"? Well, the original DIRECTOR didn't as the original ending had most of them ALIVE before the re-shoots where Gilroy decided they should all die.

So if you're smarter than the original filmmakers, congrats, but saying that most people called that out beforehand seems pretty ridiculous considering that when principal filming finished a lot of the heroes LIVED.

 

[Covert Rain]

in a Disney movie... yeah, watching your heroes in essence watch an atomic bomb come to obliterate them was surprising.

And you "expected that"? Well, the original DIRECTOR didn't as the original ending had most of them ALIVE before the re-shoots where Gilroy decided they should all die.

So if you're smarter than the original filmmakers, congrats, but saying that most people called that out beforehand seems pretty ridiculous considering that when principal filming finished a lot of the heroes LIVED.

If you are a Star Wars fan!? 100% you had to know that would be part of it. I read multiple articles talking about that very topic when the movie was announced. In many of the SW forums it was a topic of discussion.

There was only one logical explanation. The reason they probably rewrote it is because they probably realized how asinine it would have been for continuity. You don’t have to be writer or director to realize what a massive plot hole that would have been.

Sure I didn’t know exactly how they would reconcile it but I did guess there would be plenty of death. Plus I don’t believe I ever knew prior to seeing the movie exactly what was rewritten because I avoided articles discussing too much detail.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If you are a Star Wars fan!? 100% you had to know that would be part of it. I read multiple articles talking about that very topic when the movie was announced. In many of the SW forums it was a topic of discussion.

Newsflash... most people don't frequent Star Wars forums.

There was only one logical explanation. The reason they probably rewrote it is because they probably realized how asinine it would have been for continuity. You don’t have to be writer or director to realize what a massive plot hole that would have been.

Yes, the reason they probably rewrote the entire ending and spent 30 MILLION DOLLARS to reshoot the entire thing was because of... a continuity error.

That's probably the most laughable thing I've ever read on this movie board.

I mean... come on. That's beyond stupid and shows just a complete lack of understanding about how the movie industry functions.

They changed it because some Star Wars nerds were going to be up in arms that they never heard or saw the people in Rogue One?

I mean... seriously. Please rethink how asinine your stance really is.

Sure I didn’t know exactly how they would reconcile it but I did guess there would be plenty of death. Plus I don’t believe I ever knew prior to the movie exactly what was rewritten because I avoided articles discussing to much detail.

news flash... most people aren't such Star Wars nerds that they think about the fact that they never heard of the people's names who got the plans for the death star, therefor they must have all died! Most normal people assume that if a bunch of people stole the plans for the Death Star, someone probably survived to deliver the goods.

 

[Covert Rain]

Newsflash... most people don't frequent Star Wars forums.

Newsflash....I never said that but thanks for that Captain obvious. That wasn't my point. My point was that it was an active topic among the fans. It was in a couple articles I had read. Meaning that it was a topic fans and others were contemplating.

The point was that I am sure if fans and some news writers thought of that....I am sure the writers/director and producers did as well.

It's ludicrous to think that wouldn't be a topic they would think about.

Yes, the reason they probably rewrote the entire ending and spent 30 MILLION DOLLARS to reshoot the entire thing was because of... a continuity error.

That's probably the most laughable thing I've ever read on this movie board.

I mean... come on. That's beyond stupid and shows just a complete lack of understanding about how the movie industry functions.

They changed it because some Star Wars nerds were going to be up in arms that they never heard or saw the people in Rogue One?

I mean... seriously. Please rethink how asinine your stance really is.

news flash... most people aren't such Star Wars nerds that they think about the fact that they never heard of the people's names who got the plans for the death star, therefor they must have all died! Most normal people assume that if a bunch of people stole the plans for the Death Star, someone probably survived to deliver the goods.

Let me clarify, I was referring to the VERY END where the main heroes die. Not the re-write of the entire 3rd act. As I understood it they re-shot the entire 3rd act.

So no....I wasn't assuming that they spent 30 million on just the very ending. LOL. Maybe from your purview (you know writing nerd) when I say ending you take it from a script perspective to mean the entire 3rd act? I can see that but you know...the casual fan wouldn't know that's how you see it as a writer.

Since you assumed and I probably wasn't very clear let's revisit this from my assumption that the entire 3rd act was re-shot (I could be wrong). Going with that, I am sure there were multiple reasons for the re-shooting that 3rd act. For example, a characters sacrifice is more noble if you give up your life. I am sure there were pacing issues. I am sure there were parts of the script they didn't like. However, it's not a huge leap to assume that hey if we kill of characters we don't have to explain why nobody has ever heard of them into the equation.

You make it sound like they don't give a crap about continuity and only the Star Wars nerds do. Newsflash....many of the people that work at Lucasfilm are Star Wars nerds. They cared about continuity enough to design an entire scene with Vader at the end to create...you know.....continuity. Not to mention ALL of the nuggets they placed in the film throughout for you know....the "Star Wars nerds" to find..... creating additional continuity between the Star Wars animation properties.

Now what is f'ing hilarious is the idea that continuity with these characters and how they fit into the larger saga wasn't always a factor until the final product was put out there.

P.S. I look forward to you no longer posting in the Sports or political sections because of your lack of understanding of politics or the sports industry.

Just messing with you man!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I thought it was pretty in-your-face about a sequel. The appearance of <redacted> at the end all but cemented it.

Agree 100%. No way they do that without a planned sequel. And how do you not sequel a Star Wars when it’s onviously planned? I know it doesn’t make dollars sense, but it’s almost like sending a bad signal to Star Wars fans . . . like admitting defeat. I think that starts crumbling the Star Wars empire (pun intended).

 

[Covert Rain]

Agree 100%. No way they do that without a planned sequel. And how do you not sequel a Star Wars when it’s onviously planned? I know it doesn’t make dollars sense, but it’s almost like sending a bad signal to Star Wars fans . . . like admitting defeat. I think that starts crumbling the Star Wars empire (pun intended).

I read that Ray Park over the weekend strongly suggested the Obi Wan movie is happening and that he was involved in "other Star Wars" projects. So, maybe that ending was the tie that binds this movie to that movie verses a Han Solo sequel.

They seem to be going out of their way to tie the animated series to these movies since Rogue One. If that is the case it makes sense because Obi crosses paths with Maul multiple times.

Revealing his character is alive in Solo would be a perfect bridge and possibly the plan all along.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I read that Ray Park over the weekend strongly suggested the Obi Wan movie is happening and that he was involved in "other Star Wars" projects. So, maybe that ending was the tie that binds this movie to that movie verses a Han Solo sequel.

They seem to be going out of their way to tie the animated series to these movies since Rogue One. If that is the case it makes sense because Obi crosses paths with Maul multiple times.

Revealing his character is alive in Solo would be a perfect bridge and possibly the plan all along.

That would actually make MUCH more sense.

 

[Chaplin]

That would actually make MUCH more sense.

But where does that leave the character of Solo? One of the biggest gripes is that he isn't the Han Solo of Episode 4, so where is the bridge between what he is at the end of Solo and the other movie?