Worth Noting

[Harry]

When looking for the QBOTF


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...und-quarterback-is-generally-a-terrible-idea/

 

[Garthshort]

Bottom line, the odds are against it ending well. Although, I guess you can make the argument that there haven't been too many VG QB's drafted, recently, trade or no trade.

 

[Mitch]

So much depends on:

1. Coaching continuity. It's hard for young QBs to be drafted by one coach and be turned over to another after a couple of years.

2. Coaching commitment. Look at the commitment the Seahawks showed in Russell Wilson. Had Wilson been drafted by any other team, chances are he would have spent a few years as a backup and would have had to hope for the best, while pundits would have still harped on his lack of size. When Wilson struggled early on his rookie year -- there was talk of benching him -- but they stuck with him.

3. System fit. BA has a fairly set criteria for what he wants in a QB. Could he shape his offense to fit another style of QB? Yes. But, would he want to? No.

4. Patience. It usually takes a young QB several years to be consistently good. The boobirds and critics will be very loud early and often in a young QB's career. The team and the QB have to be willing to ford through the growing pains.

5. Hunger. The great ones lust for success and are willing to accept any form of help or guidance. For example, I once was at a basketball clinic where Hubie Brown was the featured speaker. He demonstrated the most detailed display of how to teach the fundamentals of post play that I had ever seen. Then he said that his first NBA job was being in charge of the big men as an assistant with the Milwaukee Bucks. Who was his center? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Already a multiple year NBA All-Star, Jabbar might have laughed when he saw that his new position coach was a scrawny 6'0" guy from New Jersey who played guard at Niagara. Brown said he was amazed at the respect that Jabbar paid him and that Jabbar soaked up the coaching like a sponge. To which, Brown concluded, "the great ones always listen."

QBs today are so scrutinized to the point where one or two bad games can have fans convinced that the QB is horrible and will never make it.

If the QB is truly hungry and his coaches are determined to stick with him -- chances are the QB will achieve a respectable level of success and perhaps even stardom.

 

[JeffGollin]

So much depends on:

1. Coaching continuity. It's hard for young QBs to be drafted by one coach and be turned over to another after a couple of years.

2. Coaching commitment. Look at the commitment the Seahawks showed in Russell Wilson. Had Wilson been drafted by any other team, chances are he would have spent a few years as a backup and would have had to hope for the best, while pundits would have still harped on his lack of size. When Wilson struggled early on his rookie year -- there was talk of benching him -- but they stuck with him.

3. System fit. BA has a fairly set criteria for what he wants in a QB. Could he shape his offense to fit another style of QB? Yes. But, would he want to? No.

4. Patience. It usually takes a young QB several years to be consistently good. The boobirds and critics will be very loud early and often in a young QB's career. The team and the QB have to be willing to ford through the growing pains.

5. Hunger. The great ones lust for success and are willing to accept any form of help or guidance. For example, I once was at a basketball clinic where Hubie Brown was the featured speaker. He demonstrated the most detailed display of how to teach the fundamentals of post play that I had ever seen. Then he said that his first NBA job was being in charge of the big men as an assistant with the Milwaukee Bucks. Who was his center? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Already a multiple year NBA All-Star, Jabbar might have laughed when he saw that his new position coach was a scrawny 6'0" guy from New Jersey who played guard at Niagara. Brown said he was amazed at the respect that Jabbar paid him and that Jabbar soaked up the coaching like a sponge. To which, Brown concluded, "the great ones always listen."

QBs today are so scrutinized to the point where one or two bad games can have fans convinced that the QB is horrible and will never make it.

If the QB is truly hungry and his coaches are determined to stick with him -- chances are the QB will achieve a respectable level of success and perhaps even stardom.

So much depends on luck.

A player could be blessed with all 5 factors and still bomb out. Another player could bolo on all 5 factors and surprise us all. Work the percentages, roll the dice...and pray.

 

[kerouac9]

Wilson went 11-5 his rookie year. At what point did he struggle and was in danger of getting benched?

 

[TJ]

Drafting a first round QB, even without trading up, is a risky proposition in it of itself. Even that has a less than 50% chance of finding the right guy. Scouting is so underrated in this department, particularly since the vast majority of QBs are coming to the NFL from gimmick spread offenses and have never taken a snap under center in their entire lives.

 

[Mitch]

Wilson went 11-5 his rookie year. At what point did he struggle and was in danger of getting benched?

http://old.seattletimes.com/html/thebrewery/2019309355_seahawks_must_scrutinize_russe.html

I remember hearing the FOX crew that did the Seahawks' next game after this article and they said that Pete Carroll had told them that he was weighing all options at QB and whether it was best to stick with Wilson. The rest is history after that. But there were, as anyone would expect, some early struggles and questions about how NFL ready he was.

 

[kerouac9]

http://old.seattletimes.com/html/thebrewery/2019309355_seahawks_must_scrutinize_russe.html

I remember hearing the FOX crew that did the Seahawks' next game after this article and they said that Pete Carroll had told them that he was weighing all options at QB and whether it was best to stick with Wilson. The rest is history after that. But there were, as anyone would expect, some early struggles and questions about how NFL ready he was.

Lol. Week 3. Too hilarious.

 

[Brighteyes]

Wilson went 11-5 his rookie year. At what point did he struggle and was in danger of getting benched?

Wilson was a third round pick.

 

[oaken1]

funny...he may be in danger now... seahags just signed Kaepernick for $8m a year...... who wants an $8m backup??
competition? Sub packages? WTF are they thinking up in seattle right now? Has Wilson signed his new deal? maybe they are using keep for leverage??
mind boggling

 

[kerouac9]

funny...he may be in danger now... seahags just signed Kaepernick for $8m a year...... who wants an $8m backup??
competition? Sub packages? WTF are they thinking up in seattle right now? Has Wilson signed his new deal? maybe they are using keep for leverage??
mind boggling

Fake news

 

[oaken1]

Fake news

ah, okay...that makes much more sense

 

[Lagerfilled]

Fake news

Watch it! You'll be threatened with timeout if you express opinions that are somewhat political.

 

[Finito]

Wilson also was asked to do very little with a great running game and defense in place.

Now that he's being asked to do more your starting to see he's good but not really that good he's not the put up 500 yards and put a team on his back type QB

 

[wit3card]

Wilson also was asked to do very little with a great running game and defense in place.

Now that he's being asked to do more your starting to see he's good but not really that good he's not the put up 500 yards and put a team on his back type QB

They gave him no O-line and he is running for his life, but basically you are right, he isn't the QB that can put up 500 yards or own a defense and bring you back into a game or win you one. His defense did it and the special teams. The problem is really, how much you wanna hate Sherman, he is part of why they won a SB and why they got so close in the 2nd one.
Wilson, wans't in ther way. But wasn't a big help either.

But Wilson got more money, got more fame, got more in every aspect expect for accountability. And that can amount to a problem in the locker room if you miss the playoffs or have some real problems.

But for now, the Seahawks are as deadly as last year, the NFC West is the division to be won by Seattle or Cards. 49ers and Rams ... aren't there yet.

 

[kerouac9]

Wilson also was asked to do very little with a great running game and defense in place.

Now that he's being asked to do more your starting to see he's good but not really that good he's not the put up 500 yards and put a team on his back type QB

No one throws for 500 yards in a game.

 

[Dback Jon]

No one throws for 500 yards in a game.

Generally yes. Been done 20 times, 9 times in the last 5 years.

 

[JeffGollin]

One way to evaluate Wilson:

If he was our starting QB, could we win with him?

I say "yes."