Who's our next head coach?

AustrianCardFan

Veteran
Joined
May 4, 2021
Posts
261
Reaction score
504
Location
Vienna
Has there ever been a great coach in history that has gone 8 years without winning a playoff game?
I get your point but at the same time: Was there even one year where he had at least an average QB in those 8 years? And to still manage to have a winning record each year without a good QB and in a division that is not a cakewalk either...
 

DVontel

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Posts
15,546
Reaction score
29,870
I get your point but at the same time: Was there even one year where he had at least an average QB in those 8 years? And to still manage to have a winning record each year without a good QB and in a division that is not a cakewalk either...
He still had Big Ben for half of those years!
 

Stout

A handful of fairy tales from the story bag...
Joined
Dec 30, 2002
Posts
44,456
Reaction score
33,142
Location
Pittsburgh, PA--Enemy territory!
And still is today

We should know what a bad coach looks like at this point and Tomlin ain’t it.
OMG, no. He's turned into Ken Wisenhunt's "the system works," insists on bringing in old sucky players, insists on bringing in worse OCs than the Cards, and the list goes on.
 

PACardsFan

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
11,074
Reaction score
14,424
Location
York, PA
I’ve been around a long time watching this franchise, so I speak with a high level of certainty, that Bill Bidwill was one of, if not THE worst owners in ANY sport. EVER! Michael may be better, but the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree. In his defense though, I don’t think anyone could have seen seen how severe the drop off would be when we lost Klayton Adams to the Cowboys. He has transformed that team from a finesse mess to a physical & dangerous one. And we’ve gone in the opposite direction. The Cardinals cannot continue to fire HC’s every 3-4 years and expect to ever succeed, especially in the NFC West. If I’m Bidwill, I force JG to fire Petzing, the OL coach & the DL coach. If he refuses, then you can rightly fire him. And you hire Adams as your HC. If JG abides by the firings, you keep him the last year of his contract to turn things around. Most teams that lose close games in one year, turn it around the following year. With the crappy reputation that the Bidwill family has deservedly earned over the decades, you at least give JG that opportunity. And all the while you keep Adams on your radar.
 

Chopper0080

2021 - Prove It
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
33,433
Reaction score
56,419
Location
Colorado
I’d take Tomlin or Harbaugh in a nanosecond. Just don’t screw up the OC again.
You could make an argument for Tomlin to come in, keep Rallis (which he did when he was hired in Pitt) and then bring in the Callahans to run the offense and offensive line.

Hell, if Gannon stays that's what he should do on offense IMO. I just don't know if those two would hitch their wagon to a last year HC.
 

DVontel

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Posts
15,546
Reaction score
29,870
You could make an argument for Tomlin to come in, keep Rallis (which he did when he was hired in Pitt) and then bring in the Callahans to run the offense and offensive line.

Hell, if Gannon stays that's what he should do on offense IMO. I just don't know if those two would hitch their wagon to a last year HC.
If Tomlin were to come in, Rallis would be useless since he would be running Tomlin’s ancient defense.
 

Chopper0080

2021 - Prove It
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
33,433
Reaction score
56,419
Location
Colorado
If Tomlin were to come in, Rallis would be useless since he would be running Tomlin’s ancient defense.
Maybe. Tomlin was a Tampa 2 guy before he went to Pitt where he let LeBeau keep his traditional 3-4 defense. Even after LeBeau left, Keith Butler was a LeBeau guy and they didn't change the system. I guess I assumed Tomlin never really chose to dictate the defensive scheme too much. I could be wrong tho.
 

Harry

ASFN Consultant and Senior Writer
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2003
Posts
16,635
Reaction score
38,659
Location
Orlando, FL
I’ve been around a long time watching this franchise, so I speak with a high level of certainty, that Bill Bidwill was one of, if not THE worst owners in ANY sport. EVER! Michael may be better, but the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree. In his defense though, I don’t think anyone could have seen seen how severe the drop off would be when we lost Klayton Adams to the Cowboys. He has transformed that team from a finesse mess to a physical & dangerous one. And we’ve gone in the opposite direction. The Cardinals cannot continue to fire HC’s every 3-4 years and expect to ever succeed, especially in the NFC West. If I’m Bidwill, I force JG to fire Petzing, the OL coach & the DL coach. If he refuses, then you can rightly fire him. And you hire Adams as your HC. If JG abides by the firings, you keep him the last year of his contract to turn things around. Most teams that lose close games in one year, turn it around the following year. With the crappy reputation that the Bidwill family has deservedly earned over the decades, you at least give JG that opportunity. And all the while you keep Adams on your radar.
AC made an interesting point; most teams losing a number of close games turn it around the next year. That is true. However, typically they lose them the same way. The Cards are more creative. They lose them on offense and defense. On defense they can’t pressure the QB or maybe they don’t like that tactic. On offense they lose due to clock management, a collapsed Oline or terrible play calling. They actually lost one game due to a bad kickoff. That’s a lot to fix in one year.
 

Stout

A handful of fairy tales from the story bag...
Joined
Dec 30, 2002
Posts
44,456
Reaction score
33,142
Location
Pittsburgh, PA--Enemy territory!
Maybe. Tomlin was a Tampa 2 guy before he went to Pitt where he let LeBeau keep his traditional 3-4 defense. Even after LeBeau left, Keith Butler was a LeBeau guy and they didn't change the system. I guess I assumed Tomlin never really chose to dictate the defensive scheme too much. I could be wrong tho.
Tomlin is the de facto DC in Pittsburgh. It is known here.
 

Totally_Red

Air Raid Warning!
Joined
Apr 26, 2005
Posts
9,771
Reaction score
6,795
Location
Iowa
I’ve been around a long time watching this franchise, so I speak with a high level of certainty, that Bill Bidwill was one of, if not THE worst owners in ANY sport. EVER! Michael may be better, but the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree. In his defense though, I don’t think anyone could have seen seen how severe the drop off would be when we lost Klayton Adams to the Cowboys. He has transformed that team from a finesse mess to a physical & dangerous one. And we’ve gone in the opposite direction. The Cardinals cannot continue to fire HC’s every 3-4 years and expect to ever succeed, especially in the NFC West. If I’m Bidwill, I force JG to fire Petzing, the OL coach & the DL coach. If he refuses, then you can rightly fire him. And you hire Adams as your HC. If JG abides by the firings, you keep him the last year of his contract to turn things around. Most teams that lose close games in one year, turn it around the following year. With the crappy reputation that the Bidwill family has deservedly earned over the decades, you at least give JG that opportunity. And all the while you keep Adams on your radar.
If they retain JG, for new OC, I would consider Mike Kafka if the Giants don't keep him as their HC.
 

BigRedMO

Registered
Joined
Apr 16, 2004
Posts
1,320
Reaction score
168
Tomlin is overrated. He stepped into one of the most successful cultures created by Noll and maintained by Cowher. Not the case with Big Red. First day Tomlin would run screaming like a little girl from the building when dealing with Bidwill decisions. Tomlin had QB wealth most of his tenure. The measure of how good a coach is when he is dealing with QB poverty. He hasnt coped very well. So I judge him as a HC on his way down or having been exposed as being an average coach. So maybe it would be like the case when Denny Green came to the Big Red. I dont think Tomlin realizes yet that he is an average coach so still dont think he would take the job. He would work as a commentator while waiting for a good opening.
 

Dan H

ASFN Addict
Banned from P+R
Joined
Dec 1, 2002
Posts
7,715
Reaction score
7,913
Location
Circle City, IN
Man, sitting on Bloomington’s doorstep, it’s hard not to be jealous of the lighting in the bottle they caught with Cignetti.

It’d be fantastic if we could do something similar or even recreate the early Arians years but I have no idea who’d even qualify in the NFL.
 

Crimson Warrior

Ready For The Next Chapter
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2002
Posts
9,589
Reaction score
12,773
Location
Home of the Thunder
So what type of coach do we want?

A leader-of-men like Vrabel (or Campbell)?

A slick, offensive-minded tactician like McVay?
 

vince56

ASFN Addict
Joined
Sep 15, 2002
Posts
9,333
Reaction score
3,034
Location
Arizona
AC made an interesting point; most teams losing a number of close games turn it around the next year. That is true. However, typically they lose them the same way. The Cards are more creative. They lose them on offense and defense. On defense they can’t pressure the QB or maybe they don’t like that tactic. On offense they lose due to clock management, a collapsed Oline or terrible play calling. They actually lost one game due to a bad kickoff. That’s a lot to fix in one year.
The Cardinals that existed in September and October lost close games. You could argue injuries, but that's really only on offense for the most part. The current Cardinals team gets 40-burgers dropped on them on the reg with 90% of our defensive starters in there. Budda, Calais, Will Johnson, Garrett Williams, Jalen Thompson, Darius Robinson, Zaven Collins, etc., have been mostly healthy and this defense is just embarassing even with what we considered to be good players still in it. It leaves fans with very little faith in anything improving anytime soon.
 

ajcardfan

I see you.
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
42,124
Reaction score
33,453
The coach next year is going to be Gannon. Like Jess Root told me a month ago they are going to blame the failure on Kyler and Petzing. However, since then, the defense has been so horrific Rallis might have to go as well.
 

Proteus

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 26, 2007
Posts
14,750
Reaction score
9,638
The coach next year is going to be Gannon. Like Jess Root told me a month ago they are going to blame the failure on Kyler and Petzing. However, since then, the defense has been so horrific Rallis might have to go as well.
So both the offensive and defensive coordinators would be fired but not JG? :rolleyes: :help: JG's poor record without Murray (1-8 currently with Brissett as the starting quarterback) says to me that the failure of this season is mainly not Murray's fault. :shrug:
 

ajcardfan

I see you.
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
42,124
Reaction score
33,453
So both the offensive and defensive coordinators would be fired but not JG? :rolleyes: :help: JG's poor record without Murray (1-8 currently with Brissett as the starting quarterback) says to me that the failure of this season is mainly not Murray's fault. :shrug:
Yeah, it makes no sense to fire both coordinators but not Gannon.

And I agree with you in your analysis. But this is the Cardinals we are talking about here. Bidwill will probably do something stupid.
 

pemory09

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Jan 3, 2016
Posts
3,641
Reaction score
4,953
Yeah, it makes no sense to fire both coordinators but not Gannon.

And I agree with you in your analysis. But this is the Cardinals we are talking about here. Bidwill will probably do something stupid.
Agreed. Let’s be honest, think of the most ideal move and then what the complete opposite of that would be—there’s our likely direction. I hate going here, but the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
 

Latest posts

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
1,355,869
Posts
6,574,366
Members
6,433
Latest member
CatsfanJim
Top