Who's our next head coach?

[Cbus cardsfan]

Also, Kafka would be an interesting candidate. I think he was in the mix previously. Former QB and seems to hold players accountable. I would just have a hard time looking at his eyeborws. They look drawn on like Uncle Leo in Seinfeld.

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[Russ Smith]

Salah would be a horrifically stupid hire, yet the most “Cardinal” thing to do.

It wouldn’t shock me if Salah becomes a great HC. I can completely see a scenario where he coaches up a team and goes deep (conference championship or SB).

However, this organizations problem is the Bidwill family.

This family has made more than enough here in the desert.

The Cardinal organization was worth $350 million (ish) in the twilight of the 90’s. The stadium (which they kicked in a whooping $80 million for) costed $500 million to build (which all of us pay for).

In no time they were worth $2 billion.

Last I looked they were safely worth north of $4 billion.

I wished I could have chipped in $5k for the stadium in that was gonna be my my ROI.

I don’t support the cardinals near as much as I support good professional football.

FTB’s

Not following. Been a fan since 75 way before Arizona was in the picture, the ownership now is lightyears better than it used to be. We once lost the best coach in the history of the franchise because Bidwill Sr didn't want to pay Coryell a fair salary and give him more input in drafts. We once hired a retired college coach who literally installed the Wing T offense, for an NFL team.

Didn't say I would hire Saleh I said he's getting a big push from some Cards sites and I think he'd be better than gannon. If the idea is you need to hire someone with some prior experience he has it. Part of a winning org, has it. Has been in a TERRIBLE organization so the Bidwills situation won't be a complete shock to him, he has that. I think part of where Gannon has gone wrong has been that right there, the Eagles were well run top to bottom so he got here and hasn't been able to adapt to how poorly run we are top to bottom.

Drafts haven't been great, injuries and bad luck but at the end of the day when you lose this many close games in one year doing the same stupid things over and over that's coaching. and if any of this stuff about teams knowing plays from formation or call is true, that's a fireable offense. NFL teams should not be tipping plays.

 

[602 Native]

Not following. Been a fan since 75 way before Arizona was in the picture, the ownership now is lightyears better than it used to be. We once lost the best coach in the history of the franchise because Bidwill Sr didn't want to pay Coryell a fair salary and give him more input in drafts. We once hired a retired college coach who literally installed the Wing T offense, for an NFL team.

Was this Petzing’s grandad?

 

[Russ Smith]

Was this Petzing’s grandad?

Bud Wilkinson. Legendary Oklahoma coach, he had been retired for 15 years, and after they lost Coryell they hired Wilkinson. Started 0-8, people joked he was going to run the wishbone but he actually installed something he called the Split T but others called the Wing T, it was a colossal failure. During the year he abandoned it they actually won 6 games. Then the next year he got fired because Bidwill told him to bench QB Jim Hart for rookie Steve Pisarkiewicz, who played at Missouri and was a local hero that Bidwill had insisted they draft. Wilkinson refused to start him, so they fired him, started the rookie, who sucked.

not saying the current ownership of Bidwills is good but compared to Bidwill Sr they are actually competent.

 

[slanidrac16]

Your head coach oversees the operation and makes game decisions. Gannon needed to be surrounded by a solid experienced staff.
Example. The horrible decision to throw deep on 3rd down and then GO FOR IT ON 4Th DOWN with 11 minutes left in the game down 3pts on your own 39 yard line.
THEN Gannon says he liked the call. Apparently he did because he didn’t stop it. Did he even know what play was called?
Let’s go back a couple of games. Again 4th down and a very long 1(almost 2), again in our own territory. We call a Qb sneak. You don’t call wb sneaks when you have almost 2 yards to go. Again Gannon “ liked the call”.

You have to know by now Gannon is in over his head. The problem is the chances of hiring and experienced head coach for this clown outfit is going to be next to impossible. That’s exactly why we are where we are today.

 

[Harry]

Not following. Been a fan since 75 way before Arizona was in the picture, the ownership now is lightyears better than it used to be. We once lost the best coach in the history of the franchise because Bidwill Sr didn't want to pay Coryell a fair salary and give him more input in drafts. We once hired a retired college coach who literally installed the Wing T offense, for an NFL team.

Didn't say I would hire Saleh I said he's getting a big push from some Cards sites and I think he'd be better than gannon. If the idea is you need to hire someone with some prior experience he has it. Part of a winning org, has it. Has been in a TERRIBLE organization so the Bidwills situation won't be a complete shock to him, he has that. I think part of where Gannon has gone wrong has been that right there, the Eagles were well run top to bottom so he got here and hasn't been able to adapt to how poorly run we are top to bottom.

Drafts haven't been great, injuries and bad luck but at the end of the day when you lose this many close games in one year doing the same stupid things over and over that's coaching. and if any of this stuff about teams knowing plays from formation or call is true, that's a fireable offense. NFL teams should not be tipping plays.

I love your callbacks to the old days; Bud Wilkinson was the most lost coach I’ve ever seen. I keep wondering if there were mental problems there. Drafts might not have been great but I think they were good enough to win with. I would say Gannon has been incredibly unlucky injury-wise. You’re correct that expecting different outcomes is a big clue. Teams coming right out and saying they knew what plays the Cards were going to run due to repetitious formations is a first for me; incredibly embarrassing.

 

[Ronin]

Mike McCarthy

 

[Russ Smith]

I love your callbacks to the old days; Bud Wilkinson was the most lost coach I’ve ever seen. I keep wondering if there were mental problems there. Drafts might not have been great but I think they were good enough to win with. I would say Gannon has been incredibly unlucky injury-wise. You’re correct that expecting different outcomes is a big clue. Teams coming right out and saying they knew what plays the Cards were going to run due to repetitious formations is a first for me; incredibly embarrassing.

I recall either when Tobin was coaching or just after he left we played someone who had a DC that had worked under Tobin and they said the defensive signals and calls were not changed so they knew everything we called on defense.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Clearly the Cards need a HC with previous experience and recent success as a coordinator. That means it probably will be one of these guys:



Kliff Kingsbury

or

Vance Joseph

 

[HairZach]

We're going to hire Tomlin arent we...

 

[MadCardDisease]

We're going to hire Tomlin arent we...

Pittsburgh West

 

[BigRedMO]

Tomlin would never work for Bidwill. Study the history. Wasnt pay issue with Coryell. His family was from CA. His daughters hated STL. In HOF speech his daughter never mentioned STL. He was fired because Bidwill found out Coryell was looking for a job in CA. After being hired by SD the first time SD was in STL the fans booed Coryell. Big Red routed SD that day. I think Fouts was hurt. Look it up.

 

[kerouac9]

We're going to hire Tomlin arent we...

Please yes

 

[DVontel]

Please yes

Hell no.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Hear me out.. Steelers trade Mike Tomlin to the Cardinals for Kyler Murray. Notre Dame makes it to the CFP and wins and Steelers hire Marcus Freeman to be their next head coach. I would rather have a coach that constantly goes 9-8 and makes the playoffs more often than not than having to put up with Gannon and his band of stooges.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Please yes

I would love it but the day bidwill pays that price will be the day Santa brings me a new gmc sierra….

 

[BirdGangThing]

tomlin is a great coach

15 years ago

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Hear me out.. Steelers trade Mike Tomlin to the Cardinals for Kyler Murray. Notre Dame makes it to the CFP and wins and Steelers hire Marcus Freeman to be their next head coach. I would rather have a coach that constantly goes 9-8 and makes the playoffs more often than not than having to put up with Gannon and his band of stooges.

This!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Tomlin would never work for Bidwill. Study the history. Wasnt pay issue with Coryell. His family was from CA. His daughters hated STL. In HOF speech his daughter never mentioned STL. He was fired because Bidwill found out Coryell was looking for a job in CA. After being hired by SD the first time SD was in STL the fans booed Coryell. Big Red routed SD that day. I think Fouts was hurt. Look it up.

He was at San Diego State before we hired him but according to Google he was born and raised in Washington and really SDSU was his first time in California?


I was 11 or 12 when he left but my recollection was he wanted more money and more input on the draft and personnel. the classic description of what it was like back then was they drafted Terry Metcalf because Coryell pushed for him, he had coached against Metcalf in college when SDSU played Long Beach State. So they go out to lunch after the draft and before Metcalf had signed, and Bidwill says so Terry how do you feel about playing Cornerback. Metcalf looks puzzled and Coryell says oh no Terry's my RB, coached against him in college best player on the field he's our new RB. And Bidwill was mad that Coryell had showed him up and Bidwill felt Jim Otis was the RB and he literally wanted Coryell to move him to defense.

It was crazy how much Bidwill meddled in the draft and personnel back then.

 

[kerouac9]

tomlin is a great coach

15 years ago

And still is today

We should know what a bad coach looks like at this point and Tomlin ain’t it.

 

[DVontel]

And still is today

We should know what a bad coach looks like at this point and Tomlin ain’t it.

Has there ever been a great coach in history that has gone 8 years without winning a playoff game?

 

[DVontel]

Kevin Clark a Mike Tomlin stan & I know K9 listens to Kevin Clark, smh.

 

[slanidrac16]

Hear me out.. Steelers trade Mike Tomlin to the Cardinals for Kyler Murray. Notre Dame makes it to the CFP and wins and Steelers hire Marcus Freeman to be their next head coach. I would rather have a coach that constantly goes 9-8 and makes the playoffs more often than not than having to put up with Gannon and his band of stooges.

Haven’t smoke pot in 22 years but this is making me consider rolling one up.

 

[kerouac9]

Has there ever been a great coach in history that has gone 8 years without winning a playoff game?

Maybe he’s not a great coach anymore. He can’t hang with McVay and Shanahan.

But if you’re considering options like Jon Gruden and Mike McCarthy you’re just shopping the discount rack for Mike Tomlin.

I’m fine with Tomlin or the Bucs OC. Gannon’s stuff does not work and it’s time to try something different. I do think Tomlin has the credibility to build a professional program that Monti and Gannon and Kliff didn’t.

 

[DVontel]

But if you’re considering options like Jon Gruden and Mike McCarthy you’re just shopping the discount rack for Mike Tomlin.

It’s funny. Mike McCarthy has won a playoff game more recently than Mike Tomlin has. I don’t want McCarthy either.

I’m fine with Tomlin or the Bucs OC. Gannon’s stuff does not work and it’s time to try something different. I do think Tomlin has the credibility to build a professional program that Monti and Gannon and Kliff didn’t.

I much, much prefer the Bucs’ OC. Tomlin has shown he can handle wild personalities. As for his scheme/Xs & Os, the game has left him a long time ago.